Will City Of Troy bomb again???

I would not touch him with a barge pole.

same happened last year and most had egg on chin..

i dont believe it would be running unless was ready to rock.

Think it's a win bet myself. Looks a pretty thin field for quality outside of COT, and 2000 was too bad to be true, so can't be judged on that alone I feel. Could easily blow out again, but he's not 6-4 either.

Very Thin. plus i have made plenty of money forgiving horses bad runs for one reason or another.  Never be scared of a price.
one last chance for me..... if it get beats so be it. if i dont back it and wins easy it would hurt more he he he

has aidan settled on a reason for the guineas flop? he blamed himself for flaws in preparation but has also cited getting upset in the stalls. it can't be both

Has to be a place lay…..probably get a wild result today imo….

has aidan settled on a reason for the guineas flop?

doesn't really matter when they are selling a potential stallion, all comments come with a dose of salt. actions speak louder than words, he hasn't been found an injury and packed off to stud. they're going in again.

acey deucy
I would not touch him with a barge pole.

I would not touch the barge pole.

Excessive heart rate at the start of Guineas sounds like a lot of pony to me,when I saw the horse in the ring I thought aw ah signs don’t look promising

Far from certain, but he has not gone from leaving Haatem for dust to struggling to lay up with him from half way. That is not a 'training on' issue. Personally I feel like the price justifies the risk as the COT we saw in all his other races wins 80% of the time up against this oppo (assuming the distance is no issue). If he is shot as a racehorse, so be it.

He will be as fit as a fiddle today, no chances will have been taken, as they seem to have been for the Guineas.

That said, I cannot back it, but would not want to lay it either.

All adds to the interest.

Like i said i would not touch him with a barge pole......Not stoopid enough to leave him out the placepot though.

Wont be backing it but surely Aiden O'Brien's judgement has to be taken on trust, the master trainer surely isnt bluffing, expect COT to run well but well enough to win?

Prediction…COT’s next start will be the July Cup

Times says its a
BUST

I hope he can do a Slip Anchor ie set the pace; slip 6 lengths clear off Tattenham Corner and sail hope with the rest in vain pursuit. Non-backers eating humble pie. Here's hoping anyway.

My prediction: (1) City Of Troy (2) Ancient Wisdom (3) Ambiente Friendly

Good luck all!

bosh

acey deucy 01 Jun 24 10:49 
I would not touch him with a barge pole.


abso pmsl..how this clown hasnt vanished with embarassment is a mystery

Very impressive winner.  Looked all class today

Impossible 1.47 post...

Nice one, hope you got the forecast anyway?

impossible123 01 Jun 24 13:47 
I hope he can do a Slip Anchor ie set the pace; slip 6 lengths clear off Tattenham Corner

Was referring to his result predictions, Wazza

Got tactics wrong but result right

Was referring to his result predictions, Wazza

Got tactics wrong but result right

Regbuttler, yes only for a £1 (fun bet). But, 14/1 (boosted 28/1) with 'b]'billie' for The Derby. However, an expensive flop in the 2000G; it knocked off 75 running bets at from 16/1 to 5/1.

Anyway, a good Green from this result.

Listen it Boiled over in the stalls at Newmarket , the Steam off its pish was the problem

after the guineas aidan said he'd prepared the horse badly.

seems he is so incompetent he can't train one for the guineas yet at the same time the greatest trainer ever,

Or he is selling a potential stallion so it will never be the fault of the horse. And he is fiercely loyal to people that work for him, so will never undermine them publicly.

For us on the outside it's all about clues isn't it. With AOB we can pretty much forget about anything he says. However, putting the champion 2yo's rep on the line again when there was any easy out was much more indicative (imo).

we all knew a potential superstar all looking forward to the Guineas , It just stinks really not what the sport needs tbh

How can you bet his horses or have a bet where his horses are in the race ?

One word RANK

Appleby is the complete opposite, he is very direct and will often give us a decent steer on their true chances.

He is pretty good this Mattie

all the clichés can be trotted out, they can't talk and they aren't machines. Any horse can blow out, for whatever reason he did in that race. Another cliché, it was way too bad to be his true running. So effectively, easier to forgive.

before last year when was the last time a derby winner finished out with the washing in it's previous race? i can't remember any. we're all mugs to them

Adayar was beaten in a listed race. I suppose going for an often brutal G1 is a bit different to running in a trial. We're in the here and now, and I stated that there was every reason to forgive the COT flop imv, it worked out this time. I'm not sure we've been in this scenario too many times where a brilliant 2yo who raced like he had stamina in abundance flopped in his first try as a 3yo in a G1 over a mile.

The one trained by Bolger; he said after his 2000G flop the horse would not be running at Epsom. Low and behold the horse turned up, and duly won!

All the genius's  on here and yet not a mention as to the reason last years winner and COT went for the Guineas before the Derby?

The answer is obvious and had been mooted but not a peep on this Forum but the experts come out of the woodwork post race and slag the jockey on the 2nd and laude the winning trainer as a Genius who had Paddington in handicap company, now says COT his best ever Derby winner.

Might well be so would Shep have beaten him iyo genius's and do any of you know the 2K Guineas obvious answer?

Well done impossible , you've been positive about the winner on numerous threads over the last few days despite the view being massively in the minority 

new approach was second at newmarket and the curragh - beaten by a top class miler

City Of Troy did not last 5f in the 2000 Guineas.  At the end of the 12f Derby his jockey could not pull him up?

Great to see the grammar king swoop in to deign us with his impenetrable 'expert' opinion. After the race !

Clue, it will be the same next year and always as long as they have the best juvenile!!!

Clue, it will be the same next year and always as long as they have the best juvenile!!!

Btw Cider, just the ability to read suffices!! HTH

Pity you struggle with the writing bit. At least, in a moderately coherent style.

'Hayden', thanks. Swings and roundabouts. I'd 'lay' of just over £200 to ensure a Green no matter what. If only he'd won the 2000G. If so, £1.5k to the good. I'm only a small recreational punter.

Now, I hope Kyprios runs in the Gold Cup on 20th June, and can oblige.

So you have a problem with grammar Cider but still cannot answer like your fellow experts, not much of a coherent deflection btw?

No I can't easily decipher your ramble, I'd have thought it was obvious enough that winning a guineas and derby gives the horse immortal status, put it in the top bracket commercially etc. The need for speed in the bloodlines. It was pretty obvious that he was doing his best work right at the end of his races as a 2yo (even after the post), and would likely appreciate a trip as a 3yo.

A further clue for Cider et al, AOB took the flack for the Guineas but has not mentioned why COT was in the race, the real reason!!!

The answer lies in previous statements and reports from "Connections" and not just concerning COT (Ambition) may help?

Apologies Cider must have typed over your drivel and you have not a clue!!!

My free tip is to stay off the beer when posting. Plus, if you state an opinion pre race, it tends to carry more credibility. Whether the forum can understand it is not a given, to be fair.

Another defeat for you then Cider unless you can point out any post race claims of mine? Descending to personal attacks seems your stock in trade when faced with questions regarding your own forceful posts and yet I have claimed nothing and asked a simple question of your ilk?

ignore him Cider Tobymugs another wanabe winner but sadly a loser.