City Of Troy OUT

Nice thread

I've always though this will be pulled out at the last minute, ground or injury

What will Ryan ride that is the question?

If he runs,City Of Troy.Must do after all the talk,
surely.

i mean how could you back him after stinking the place out at Newmarket fair enough Aiden did it last Year but i cant have him doing it again.

I hope he gets beaten out of sight i mean what earthly chance have we the punters got if he bolts in.

I still think they should’ve take him stateside for a crack at the local ones…like the West Virginia Derby at Mountaineer…that’s a legit race imo

The Super Derby at Louisiana, the Lone Star Derby, the Indiana Derby on a turf. So much choice.

Knicks Go proved the body of work doesn’t matter. He won a Cornhusker and a Lukas Classic as his prep races for the Classic.

I never even heard of them races till he ran in them lol.

But Aidan really believes the horse needs a do over.

4.7 betfair

He's too small to be any good stateside.

OP, behave! The title of your thread is irresponsible for most users.

Tomorrow we'll know for certain whether he runs or not, and who his pilot is.

Horse was only 85 to 90% fit at Newmarket

They had that much faith in him that they still thought he could win, that’s how highly they rate him.

When it wasn’t happening he wasn’t knocked about

He’s got the best form rating by some way, he’s fit now

For me the question is will he stay 12 furlongs? No guarantee on his pedigree.

On all known form he’s the class horse.

In a competitive looking Oaks I like the look of Forest Fairy

All the best

How can anyone back it at 3/1

I wouldn't back it with counterfeit..

shropshirelad, your deluded.

i was convinced they'd suddenly retire him . Hyped up so they can suggest he trained on very well .
''derby fav before injury struck'

I think they just needed not to embarrass themselves comparing him to Frankel. His 2yo form is good and it will get a a full book for 2 or 3 years.

It looks as though his sore Justify throws good 2yr olds but they don't train on.

Sire

Horse was beaten after 6 furlongs Guineas , Strange they would even run Him , But Listen the lads will know

Well said Casemoney Esq

After his latest run, I make him around an 8-1 chance. Trainer does have previous for bringing horses back.

Honestly I cant see City Of Troy handling Epsom. Didnt seem to enjoy the Newmarket rollercoaster?

Ryan on City
Wayne on Los Angeles
Declan on Euphoric

Ryan loyal to the cause

Bit of a U turn if he jumped off it after all the talk.

No Sign of Paddy Beggy these days ? 

Think he won a Couple of Derbys for the Lads

I'd back him at 7/1+ just for the "value" factor and the unwavered belief of his connections. I'd like to see him win just for the sake of horseracing. There is no outstanding 3yr-old at the moment.

To 4/1

Not sure why he is good for horse racing. Good for Coolmore probably.

The race needs a superstar. Apart from City Of Troy the rest are much of a muchness. It's been a while since Sea The Stars and Golden Horn won this.

After Ylang Ylang FLOP
COT price tomorrow?
10-1

Good for racing lol...give yer head a wobble imp...

Los Angelos by a furlong..ladz all on eh...pumped...

Apart from City Of Troy the rest are much of a muchness. - I'm not sure about that. There are a few lightly raced types and an unbeaten Camelot that may have something to say about that. Daira |Mile found 24lb when stepped up to a 10f first time out this year and looks like 12f might be better for him. Voyage by Golden Horn won easily first time out over 10f and I don't know any GH that doesn't improve for racing and distance. It may well be a good Derby this time tomorrow.

The bookies are running scared of this "beast". Only one is offering a boost; 3/1 from 11/4 (a damp squib more like). The rest are inadequates.

Started drifting as soon as my monies went on...

Only 4.6
Expected 10s

Sweating in the mouth at the start

Evens top 4

WOW!!  Great to see.

A Genius ? Absolute non goer in the Guineas sent out for a Blow , Punters robbed

Different gravy

He wasn’t fully fit for the Guineas

May 29, 2024 -- 6:47PM, truehoncho wrote:

shropshirelad, your deluded.

Of course I am…..

Impressive. Good ride too. Long way from this weak Gp1 to the Arc.

Agree with casemoney ..

Didnt stay 6 furlong looked like a Leger Horse today

Listen , your all Cxxts

Very good horse but had a dream run throughout as the other jocks weaved all over the place. Wayne Lordan made sure that Havlin couldn't win by riding alongside the loose horse and pushing them all wide while Ryan strolled home. Best horse won but Havlin was fast asleep thinking he had them covered.

Anyone else spot the ITV woman riding the bandwagon in the paddock? Rubbing her chin going "ooh no I don't like the way it's walking". Thre words. Egg On Face.
Fckg amateurs.

Jun 1, 2024 -- 4:54PM, sageform wrote:

Very good horse but had a dream run throughout as the other jocks weaved all over the place. Wayne Lordan made sure that Havlin couldn't win by riding alongside the loose horse and pushing them all wide while Ryan strolled home. Best horse won but Havlin was fast asleep thinking he had them covered.

That's what I saw.

But still needed a champion horse to execute

Let's see how the season unfolds, I cannot be opposing COT before autumn. What with?

Don't underestimate the benefits of having 3 runners in the race and the other stable jockeys told exactly what to do to ensure that the favourite won if good enough. That is not meant to be a criticism of the winner but having your own pacemakers is always worth 7lb.

He wasn’t fully fit for the Guineas

it was the same last year. so aidan doesn't know how to get them right for Newmarket?

He is pretty good this Mattie

Acey hopefully clever enough to tie a noose with his rope

agree, the great trainers got them right for every race

No Derby horse is 100% fit on Guineas day. Mill Reef was 75% and Nijinsky 80%. Nijinsky won and Mill Reef would have still won too but for the freak opposition that day. On Derby Day both were 100% fit. Read their books if you don`t believe me. Aidan O`Brien is easily one of the greatest trainers ever.

... if not the greatest ever.

G.O.A.T   

No Derby horse is 100% fit on Guineas day

no derby winner in last 5 years has ever finished down the field in the guineas until last year. maybe a new prep strategy for epsom?

*50 years

mighty mac, this horse to me wasnt 10% fit for the guineas, and one thing coolmore and defo obrien wants is a superstar and like i say if he wins 10 group 1 from here in, hes blown it as a superhorse , his cv is shattered ,on todays performance they had a machine, so greatest trainer oh no not imo

aidan top trainer no doubt but not in the same class as gosden who has kept 3yos at their best from epsom to longchamp in october

Race become very average in the last 20 years or so.
Trainer very good [tick]
Horse bang average[tick]

Let's hope there's a banger out there

Elisjohn, so you wouldn`t say that Nijinsky, Mill Reef and the Brigadier were not superstars and their careers shattered because they didn`t go through their careers unbeaten?

Mill Reef won the Derby, Eclipse, King George and Arc in the same season and that amazing feat will never ever be repeated imo. Only been done the once in Turf history.

The way City Of Troy won today, I think he will prove a true Turf great and I very much doubt that he will be beat again. Horses are not machines and even the greatest, like the 3 mentioned above, can have an off day.

*were superstars.

The way City Of Troy won today, I think he will prove a true Turf great and I very much doubt that he will be beat again


he may not run again to save your blushes

I sincerely hope u didn`t lose too much laying him.

I sincerely hope u didn`t lose too much laying him.

Not sure how anyone can start using words like 'great' about that race winner - the race was bang average for the supposed level. Even having stupid loose horses added into the mix, horses running all over the place stupidly (jockeys all over shop) on a flat race...

If it wins another 12 group ones then maybe start going on about 'great'.

Head and shoulders above any current 3yo middle distance horse seen so far... I'm betting he'll be proven a champion..

How could we say that though emit - the second was given no chance with the ride, yet wasn't that far behind it...

the second was given no chance with the ride I saw the second having every chance and given an excellent ride.. What are you chatting about??

There is no scenario where Ambiente Frendly wins.. Unless COF meets even more trouble in running.. imo.

COT..

Excellent ride?

If you think that, then I see where the issue is in the faulty reasoning! If you can find anyone agreeing it was 'excellent'....

At which point in the race did you notice poor riding/judgment by the jockey?

like I say, find someone else who thought Havlin gave an 'excellent' ride on it then I'd listen...

Sat like a window shop dummy before realising he was just about to get beaten - if that's excellent just stick a dummy on next time, oh yeh they did.

Do you think me might have won, had he been pushed sooner?

I think it would have been close - no certainty either way.

price up a rematch...?

Pretty sure Ambiente Friendly connections wouldn't bother..

price rematch?

Depends who is riding

Decent jock I'd make the betting close

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGlS742WKRs&ab_channel=RacingTV

The second's a nice horse and would have won comfortably but for the exceptional City of Troy...  Really wouldn't be blaming Havlin.. (bit harsh) imo.

I thought City Of Troy was running on and pulling away from Ambiente Friendly at the end. Moore had difficulty pulling him up.

A rematch regardless of jockey the result will still be the same at any distance from 8f up.

The best horse by a mile won the Derby. Next time they meet, you can put any jockey in the world on Ambience Friendly and it will be beat even worse. 2nd is a very good horse but City Of Troy is a champion and simply different class.

Rab rode a great race and would have won most derbies. Yes, he was blindsided and probably didn`t spot Moore until he was past but it would never have won anyway. You all lost your dough. Get over it.

Runner up rated 117

It may well be true that the winner is far ahead but nobody knew that when Havlin was sitting motionless 3 down on a proven stayer against a speed horse who had 3 lengths to make up. Then he allowed the third to box him in behind the loose horse for 100 vital yards. It was not a good ride how ever you cut it.

Did you make a few quid in the place market with Andrew Balding's, sageform?

Sadly not in the Derby but I did have a decent bet on Relentless Voyager. He got a dream run round so could get hit hard by the handicapper going forward. I am still having a bit on most Balding runners and he is showing a profit for the year which is good going for a big yard.

Well done sage...7/1 winner by 3 lengths would have made it a good day for you.

The way City Of Troy won today, I think he will prove a true Turf great and I very much doubt that he will be beat again. Horses are not machines and even the greatest, like the 3 mentioned above, can have an off day.


still believe he "will prove a true turf great"?

He beat nothing today ie not genuine Gp 1 protagonists; the Epsom protagonists were not much better either. A "superstar" my foot. Dancing Brave, See The Stars and Frankel are true superstars!

and they even had white birch withdrawn, obrien did think this was their only true superstar, and he definetly isnt

Only beaten once and obviously there were excuses for the defeat. The second today is a Group 1 Winner and got within 3/4 length of Ace Impact in France. So not bad form lads. Hasn't had his ground all year and if you thought that he looked like he was going to get beat today please look at the race again.

But for the substandard opposition he'd have been withdrawn. There is no outstanding senior horse that has delivered so far this season eg Emily Upjohn, Inspiral, etc; Passenger injured; White Birch (equine anemia). I think the Juddmonte against older horses from abroad could indicate the true level of potential.

TMB, spot on.

He was receiving 10lbs from the runner-up; the runner-up was beaten cosily by Ace Impact (a 12f horse) which raced from the rear; the runner-up has not won this season on any ground.

I just do not think he's as good as connections have us believed.

Well Ace Impact won 5 races at a mile and a quarter and 1 at 1m 4f so not sure what that comment is all about. By the way it's called weight for age and has been going on sometime now.

Ace Impact will be regarded, in due course, as one of the best winners of the Arc. I am with TMB here. I repeat, see this horse on fast ground then we can judge. Imho he has won despite the ground. He is not great. But he could be.