Shoemark

7/2 now

Wont want to see that again.

On the drift here with Theory Of Tides at Yarmouth.

2/1, 11/8, 6/4, 13/8, 7/4.

2.82 on Exchange now.

Doesn`t inspire confidence but what is causing this alarming drift?

It was impressive at Notts but carries a penalty. Conceding 7lbs to the field which includes some interesting runners from decent stables, including Godolphin.

Bet or Lay?

2/1 now. Late money for the Gredley horse.

Peach of a ride. Well done Kieran!

NEVER in doubt.

... Ran well considering he still looked a bit green imo.

themightymac 27 May 24 15:15 
Peach of a ride. Well done Kieran!


Lol

Still doing your nuts at betting Quixall?

1.01 Mac can spot a jockey!!

No I’m ok ta much….

Massive Day for the young lad the morra Emily Upjohn should cruise up to Luxembourg in the last Furlong and Shoemark will be laughing at Ryan Moore.

Thanks Acey for letting us know. Good luck!

Good luck to young Shoemark i aint backing it.

Massive late drift on the debutant for Gosden here. 3/1, 10/3, 4/1, 9/2, 5/1.

7.2 now on exchange. No bet for I.

7.6 now

8.2

No money on but hope Emily Upjohn can do the business today for Keiron....would be a nice boost for him

Weak fav

Not sure who is more nervous Shoemark or Gosden,horse looked fine

No cover .....too keen.....could see after half a mile was not gunna win

Lovely hands…….settle…..grade 3

This race will put it spot on for next race according to Big John...

no one cheering him on more than me but he does seems to be struggling getting them to relax under him at the moment.

5 runners no pace on...do you think she relaxes in front or should have been ridden further back for cover?

everything wrong today for her imo

Think he was mindful of not giving Moore too much rope early on so moved up. At the same time Moore slowed it down. He was left in a bad spot then.

yes

Havlin on Sword was a joke.... would hate if a guy of his ilk won the derby...hope stuffed a furlong...

Only jock i would have said as poor was Skidmark eh...JG be phoning FD soon...

Can this guy do anything right?

According to Tobymugs a good jockey

Mediocrity at best.

That was just plain unlucky tbf, he went left for a clear run but just as he did, the fav lugged left and into his path. You could argue a bit more composure and it would have opened nicely for him, but I like my jockeys to be proactive, not sit there like dummies hoping for something to happen.

Gutsy Girl came out the best filly at the weights, particularly considering her two rivals had the benefit of a recent run, but a Commonwealth Cup entry would appear to be fanciful on that evidence (connections paid the £3,250 second-stage fee to leave her in the Group One contest last week).

Havlin?

Shoemarks rides are not all unlucky, either he is a poor jockey or he has gone over to the dark side.

lets face it the Gosden Horses are bang average this Year.And Shoemarks confidence is suffering because of it a blind man can see that ffs.

And anybody that disagrees knows nufink.

Some of those first time up seem to run like stink that one at Epsom on Friday bombed yes I know will be spot on for Ascot a scud up its arse and Shoey on fire couldn't have got that home perhaps Frankie would have mind you he was and still is special simply the best.

I think it's so unlike Mr Gosden running a horse with the formlines of God's Window in The Derby. I think the horse is at best a Listed or Gp 3 horse.

JG a clown anyways... not even got a filly for the oaks this year and nags running like goats tbf .. put O Meara or Boughey in his shoes and booommmm winners all day long imv..

They were having a conversation on the barstewards podcast about these young trainers who come along and bang in the winners left, right and centre, but then what, was the gist of it? And Lee was going to say something about George Boughey, I'm not sure what, but I was anticipating it was going to be along the lines that maybe he hasn't kicked on following his Classic winner, as might have been expected?

I'll never know now because Lee was interrupted and the conversation changed course.

They keep blaming Shoemark....I blame young Thady.

That was something else they asked, acey, has John taken a back seat and the training's being left to Thady?

Yeah that will be the Day George.

Two very good questions...imv no back seat and any up and coming trainer put to the bluebloods these days would do much better than the old schoolers with their new methods...just my opinion and a few weeks training under WM with the magic carrots/apples no harm either lol ..

Classical self destruct in sport…..grade 1 employing grade 3 with a grade 3 for back up……

Burnley second prize merchant signs to Munich PMSL……

Another poor ride from him, why get boxed in with a load of newcomers

Stablemate wasnt it...run to orders maybe ..shocking ride if didnt again..

Agree with formace re Kompany too..

Too many strange things happening for Shoemark. Why did Isle of Lismore swerve and almost unseat him yesterday? If it was an isolated incident then it can happen to anyone but he has had too many for it to be just luck.

Agreed...but then before he went to JG s he was able to get things looked home and hosed beat... imagine when confidence low everything and anything can go wrong ..maybe when stables form improves everything will click but i think he needs point and shoots at top of their form to win and even then id be reluctant to part with my usual mug bet money...

Kieran Shoemark Turf and All Weather Jockey Stats: Last 14 Days[nl][/nl]0 wins, 32 runs, 0.0% strike rate, 0.00 A/E, -100.0% loss, 4.3 Exp, 4.9 Archie [nl][/nl]4:07S Amsterdam

Royal Ascot will tell all,wheat from the chaff……

Inspiral will be very interesting….tbf..

Yeah i agree ..RA will show if things turning around ...i too thought Ibspiral at 12/1 value in a race the ones at top of market had questins re current form/ground...

I think that you will find that Inspiral is favourite for the Queen Anne on Tuesday and 10/1 for the 10 furlong Prince of Wales on Wednesday. Unless the market has it badly wrong, she is likely to run in the Queen Anne. Not for me in either race as fillies/mares rarely hold their form at 5yo.

Wouldn't it be grand if frankie was on one of Johhny Gees better ones like that oss that looked like would come on for it last time at epsom that thing that ran like a dog

Oh you are right Sageform..my bad.. looking at wrong race sorry... same race as the Lockinge so just under different conditions..yeah i wouldnt be a backer at 3 or 4/1 tbh in a near identical race.. Rab gave Audience a pace maker ride and stayed on ..Charyn only one to try mount a challenge ...think id have Charyn to reverse and swap Audience/Inspiral places in the market but yeah i see your point re fillies ..i never trust them unless on a roll etc can run sequenceif happy in a motherly way ..etc form can be up and down
..

Emily Upjohn.. i backed Luxembourg tbh smallish..never trust fillies that much..Sword was the horse to follow from that day for JG for me...all the runners round it in that race too ones to follow for me ...

Just shows regarding Shoemark how much confidence plays a big part in any sport. He's obviously at a low ebb in that regard when riding Gosdens. One big win and it could all change.

I have had a small bet on Audience-my only play at Ascot so far. He won easily enough at Newbury but I can see that he caught them napping by appearing to be a pacemaker. He did run through the line though.

Aurelien Lemaitre has lost the rides on Big Rock and Blue Rose Cen (to Soumillon) and now Ramatuelle (Murphy). The French do not mess about.

Strong as an ox.

Not sure it is strength but he out thought Murphy that time. Oisin should have mugged him on the line but it is easy after.

Wnr stumbled aswell.

shoe struggles to settle one in better ,small field races with no pace more about tactics
desperate for big winner
so goes off to fast on ones from the front
holds up hold up horse in midfield ,instead of out the back
etc
trying to simplify everything seems to be complicating everything ,he,s now low on confidence when in reality if you listen to gosden lots of them horse wernt fancied /needed the run etc
or is gosden just trying to protect him and fuming in private ?

He is a decent lad, I hope he has a good Ascot and can kick on from there.

nothing wrong wi shoemark imo whoever replaced frankie was on a hiding to nothing . and gosdens should be spot on for royal ascot !

As is always the case on a betting forum a jockey is only ever as good as their last ride   

its not in this case,its whether you,ll back a horse in a big race with him up,its the opposite to  aftertiming,

Totally agree hayden, any winners forgotten, if a shortie loses. He has been an easy target imho

The pilot is never part of my selection criteria 1sttp , anything of note is factored into the 100% book and besides they have good days , they have bad days , just like ourselves in our working days.

What no punter knows though is whether their next ride will be good , bad or average , it's subjective guesswork at best.

Bangs a winner and he is suddenly the best jockey again. wat a load of Bollox.
So many toby mugs formites on ere!

think thats the point
what big race winners of shoemarks are we missing/forgetting,this season ?

if you dont factor in the jockey surely when narrowing a handicap for example down you,ll back ones with the claimers on,7lb for nowt

Wouldn't have an opinion on whether he's anywhere near the best or not Mat , don't regard myself as sufficiently qualified.

Just think that Gosden is no mug but again that's a personal opinion.

no mug he,s had 3 coke heads/  addicts riding for him

Gosdens havent really fired all season 3-32 last 14 days

Shoemark does need a decent R.Ascot as does Gosden to keep the snipers at bay

Hayden with certain posters you aren't allowed an opinion and best left alone

Jun 12, 2024 -- 6:35PM, N-east Correspondent wrote:

Gosdens havent really fired all season 3-32 last 14 daysShoemark does need a decent R.Ascot as does Gosden to keep the snipers at bay

for whatever reason, not fit,virus or not very good, anyone would have struggled

anyone who thinks Gosden is a mug needs to look at the last 20 odd years and re-evaluate things ffs

Imo both will definitely come good

1sttp

I've 5 or 6 selection criteria far more important than guessing what side of the bed a jockey got out of this morning and for any selections i always start at the bottom of the odds ladder and work upwards and if i can't find a selection before i reach single digits i put a line through the race , so that means the bigger names like Murphy and Ryan wouldn't be a criteria anyway as they ride relatively few double digit horses.

We all work in different mysterious ways mate but debating jockey skills from one mount to the next is totally pointless and elongated threads after each ride won't change anyone's opinion , the subject will always far too subjective.

Wow! He won a race for a grade 1 barn


Come back on next Saturday when the wheat from the chaff has been separated…..ffs

1.01 Landed.

GL

All eyes on the grade 1 barn…..

Like David Moyles stepping into Ferguson's shoes at Man Utd.....Shoemark has an impossible task especially with Gosdens big guns totally bombing out.....I rate Shoemark highly though.

Mind boggling in sports,Burnley manager going to Munich……

Spencer has lost a ride in France because he is hopeless….

I notice Buick on one for Gosden on Tuesday,Shoemark riding one for another yard in the same race…..contracts ! Ffs

Bag the rails and he wins, whip in the wrong hand and lets it drift

Used the whip once, thought he had it won, only used the whip again when it was too late.

If that's Luke Morris in that situation, he makes sure (nap).

morris has already unbalanced it the entire trip so isn't in that situation

Okay, let's try SDS instead

is he giving it one smack then waving his whip, or is he getting 3 or 4 into it and making sure?

Some jockeys would have won on Metaverse today. Shoemark wasn't one of them.

he isn't any good either imo

a few prob would tho I agree rr etc

I'm just dealing with facts here, after the first strike he had five left for most of the final furlong. He chose not to use a second strike until it was too late.

Some jockeys in that situation eg Morris, SDS, they're not losing because they opted not to administer another 3 or 4 perfectly legal strikes.

2 hands on the reins pushing the horse out is fine imo
especially if they unbalance horses while smacking them which morris does
and its in the figures that this^^^^^^^ isn't effective