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17 May 24 18:34
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winner veered left badly hmp 2nd Scared

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By:
stewarts rise
When: 17 May 24 18:35
Has to go for that interference shirley.
By:
typhoon ginger
When: 17 May 24 18:36
Think the FPTP will be thrown out
By:
stewarts rise
When: 17 May 24 18:40
1.5 En Costa Rico seems generous.
By:
jamee1
When: 17 May 24 18:40
3.85 to keep looks good value IMO.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 17 May 24 18:41
could you say the 2nd would definetely have won?  no you cudnt..has it cost it the race? cant say for sure..i think winner would have won but its mullered 2 others.
By:
Sergeant Cecil
When: 17 May 24 18:42

May 17, 2024 -- 6:40PM, jamee1 wrote:


3.85 to keep looks good value IMO.


Agreed, coin flip IMO.

By:
stewarts rise
When: 17 May 24 18:43
Kennedy had whip in wrong hand, nearly resulted in 3rd horse coming down, in Ireland would think they'd throw it out.
By:
elise
When: 17 May 24 18:45
if the 2nd had not closed id be with keeps, but im thinking the 2nd has done enough late to show the interference stopped it
By:
cufmos
When: 17 May 24 18:45
Only thing for sure is a ban for Mr Kennedy !
By:
elise
When: 17 May 24 18:46
that's a done deal
By:
elise
When: 17 May 24 18:50
that was quite quick
By:
mrcombustible
When: 17 May 24 18:52
??
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 17 May 24 18:53
revised result
By:
scoobytoo
When: 17 May 24 18:53
chucked
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 17 May 24 18:54
winner placed 6th..
By:
mrcombustible
When: 17 May 24 18:55
winner relegated to 6th
By:
jamee1
When: 17 May 24 18:55

May 17, 2024 -- 6:54PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


winner placed 6th..


How does that work? Does that mean it was deemed dangerous riding?

By:
elise
When: 17 May 24 18:56
theyve prob stuck it behind the one that got trashed on the rail
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 17 May 24 18:56
stuck it behind the one that got trashed on the rail
By:
Sergeant Cecil
When: 17 May 24 18:56
Is that the rule? I can't remember that being enforced before? So if that had won 10 lengths they'd have still placed it 6th? I find that impossible to believe.
By:
Big Cat
When: 17 May 24 18:57
I agree with the decision to award the 2nd the race, but FPTP needs to finish 2nd or last. Otherwise, they're making the rules up and it ain't U.S. Rules
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 17 May 24 18:57
they done it here couple yr ago then binned the idea.
By:
jamee1
When: 17 May 24 18:58

May 17, 2024 -- 6:57PM, Big Cat wrote:


I agree with the decision to award the 2nd the race, but FPTP needs to finish 2nd or last. Otherwise, they're making the rules up and it ain't U.S. Rules


Agreed. That's US rules talking. Do they make it up as they go along?

By:
Sergeant Cecil
When: 17 May 24 18:58

May 17, 2024 -- 6:57PM, Big Cat wrote:


I agree with the decision to award the 2nd the race, but FPTP needs to finish 2nd or last. Otherwise, they're making the rules up and it ain't U.S. Rules


Agreed, that's US rules, not Irish (fully admit I do not have a forensic knowledge of the Irish rules of racing).

By:
Big Cat
When: 17 May 24 18:59
Otherwise, the Stewards have decided the 6th horse would've beaten the winner on the balance of probability. Dangerous riding would mean DQ last
By:
jamee1
When: 17 May 24 18:59
Will be interesting to see the stewards report for this.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 17 May 24 19:00
its cost the 6th a closer plaice sew they have plaiced winner behind it.
By:
Sergeant Cecil
When: 17 May 24 19:00

May 17, 2024 -- 6:59PM, Big Cat wrote:


Otherwise, the Stewards have decided the 6th horse would've beaten the winner on the balance of probability. Dangerous riding would mean DQ last


Well that's clearly not the case, winner had gone past Enthralling, so pure speculation to suggest Entralling would have beaten it (it wouldn't).

By:
elise
When: 17 May 24 19:03
it's improper riding for me, not careless and can't have been deemed dangerous, so as above need to see what they write up
By:
jamee1
When: 17 May 24 19:05
4th and 5th past the post horses were both well behind the interference and completely unaffected.
By:
Big Cat
When: 17 May 24 19:06
214. (i) When interference has been caused:
(a) By dangerous riding in any part of a race the horse shall, on
an objection under Rule 262 (iv) which under Rule 264
includes a Stewards Enquiry, be disqualified.
(b) By careless or improper riding or by accident in any part of
a race the horse shall, on an objection under Rule 262 (iv)
which under Rule 264 includes a Stewards Enquiry, be
placed behind the horse or horses with which it has
interfered if the Stewards are satisfied that the interference
improved its placing in relation to the horse or horses with
which it interfered. If they are not so satisfied they shall
overrule the objection and/or order that the placings shall
remain unaltered.
With regard to (b) above, when deciding whether they are so
satisfied the Stewards shall make no allowance for any ground
which the incident may have cost the horse causing the
interference
By:
Big Cat
When: 17 May 24 19:07
if the Stewards are satisfied that the interference
improved its placing in relation to the horse or horses with
which it interfered.

So they've made the rules up IMHO
By:
jamee1
When: 17 May 24 19:13
Even the commentator said that he couldn't remember a demotion being applied in that manner before.
By:
jamee1
When: 17 May 24 20:45
124D Irish Stallion Farms EBF (Fillies) H'cap
The Raceday Stewards enquired into possible interference in the closing stages of this race involving Encosta, ridden by C.T. Keane, placed second, Enthralling, ridden by G.M. Ryan, placed sixth, and Mo Ghille Mar, ridden by K.G. Kennedy, placed first, where it appeared that interference may have occurred. Evidence was heard from the riders concerned. C. T. Keane stated that he received bad interference and felt he was on the best horse. G. M. Ryan stated that he received bad interference from his right causing him to clip a heel and he felt he was lucky to stay up. K. G. Kennedy stated that his mount drifted left but he felt he had done all he could to prevent interference. Having viewed the recording of the race and considered the evidence, the Raceday Stewards were of the opinion that Mo Ghille Mar had caused interference to Encosta and Enthralling and as a result of this interference had improved its finishing position and they therefore demoted Mo Ghille Mar from first place and placed it behind Enthralling. As a consequence, the Raceday Stewards amended the result to read as follows:

Amended Result:
First: Encosta
Second: Cleopatra's Needle
Third: You Owe Me Money
Fourth: Queenie St Clair
Fifth: Enthralling
Sixth: Mo Ghille Mar

Furthermore, the Raceday Stewards were of the opinion that K. G. Kennedy was in breach of Rule 214, in that he had ridden carelessly, and having considered his record in this regard (second offence) they suspended K. G. Kennedy for seven racedays. K. G. Kennedy was accompanied at this enquiry by Mrs. John Harrington. Mr. Declan McCormack, Trainee Raceday Steward, attended this enquiry in an observatory capacity.
By:
jamee1
When: 17 May 24 20:48
So, the stewards interpretation seems to be that as the FPTP improved their position as a result of the interference, then they are entitled to drop him down behind any horse that suffered as a result.

Given the wording of rule (214.b) above, it seems this was an error?
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 17 May 24 21:18
ive no problem with what they done..as long as its consistent.
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