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08 May 24
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thoroughly deserved.......to pick yourself up from the unfortunate circumstances of working for Michael Owen and getting to where he is now takes some doing
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... Yes he came across as a decent sort when being interviewed on ITV. Trained my Nap as well which helps.
(dancing brave) Did you ever have horses with the trainer???
I always thought it was Andrew Black that fell out with Dascombe and caused the split, rather than Michael Owen.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/we-had-a-lot-of-fairly-hefty-arguments-black-speaks-out-on-dascombe-split-aW3BA6M37su4/
Andrew Black, the part-owner of Manor House Stables, spoke on Sunday of a testing relationship with Tom Dascombe and the irreconcilable differences that led to his sacking as the stable's trainer this week.
Dascombe was appointed in 2009 by Black in a joint-venture with footballing legend Michael Owen and the Betfair founder recalls heated arguments even from the early days. Disagreements over the management of horses was one of the key factors in the falling out.
The lack of harmony is one of the reasons why Black now plans to sell his share of the stable to Owen, who on Thursday confirmed Colin Gorman would temporarily take charge of the operation in Cheshire.
A number of high-profile owners have taken horses out of the yard in recent months, including David Ward and Dave Lowe, whose Kachy won close to half a million pounds in prize-money.
Dascombe told the Racing Post when the news broke on Thursday it was a "complete shock", yet Black suggests the break was not too much of a surprise.
Black said: "We had a lot of fairly hefty arguments in the early times and I was surprised we were having those arguments. They were about Tom's contract, management of certain horses and I suppose my perception of Tom changed pretty quickly.
"I was never complacent with Tom after those early years, which is a shame as Michael was always fine with him. I couldn't quite forgive him.
"I wanted to make changes to MHS and I wasn't able to. Tom said he was surprised [on Thursday] but my last conversation with him about the business ended with him saying something like, 'You'll just have to sack me then'.
"It was a short conversation and to me he's not flexible, he wants to do things his own way and it caused us to fall out a bit."
In the past few years Black has slowly stepped back from the business and now has plans to sell his share to Owen, partly due to the problems of the past few years but also as he wants his horses trained closer to his base in London.
Black said: "We're doing our own thing now, and I want a closer relationship with our own horses. If things had been different I still wouldn't have wanted the relationship as much as I had to start with.
"We'll continue to have a relationship with Manor House but it won't be anything like as full on as the one we had before. My involvement with racing won't change, I'll have relationships with slightly different trainers and we're interested in doing slightly more in Epsom. There's a bit of change coming there, it's a positive story and it works for us as it's local.
"The truth is, ultimately, I'm not in a good place with Tom at the moment but the fact is he's trained very well for me. We've had a lot of winners and some at Group level and at Royal Ascot. We had some good days but we are where we are and I think Manor House can emerge strongly from this."
Andrew Black, the part-owner of Manor House Stables, spoke on Sunday of a testing relationship with Tom Dascombe and the irreconcilable differences that led to his sacking as the stable's trainer this week.
Dascombe was appointed in 2009 by Black in a joint-venture with footballing legend Michael Owen and the Betfair founder recalls heated arguments even from the early days. Disagreements over the management of horses was one of the key factors in the falling out.
The lack of harmony is one of the reasons why Black now plans to sell his share of the stable to Owen, who on Thursday confirmed Colin Gorman would temporarily take charge of the operation in Cheshire.
A number of high-profile owners have taken horses out of the yard in recent months, including David Ward and Dave Lowe, whose Kachy won close to half a million pounds in prize-money.
Dascombe told the Racing Post when the news broke on Thursday it was a "complete shock", yet Black suggests the break was not too much of a surprise.
Black said: "We had a lot of fairly hefty arguments in the early times and I was surprised we were having those arguments. They were about Tom's contract, management of certain horses and I suppose my perception of Tom changed pretty quickly.
"I was never complacent with Tom after those early years, which is a shame as Michael was always fine with him. I couldn't quite forgive him.
"I wanted to make changes to MHS and I wasn't able to. Tom said he was surprised [on Thursday] but my last conversation with him about the business ended with him saying something like, 'You'll just have to sack me then'.
"It was a short conversation and to me he's not flexible, he wants to do things his own way and it caused us to fall out a bit."
In the past few years Black has slowly stepped back from the business and now has plans to sell his share to Owen, partly due to the problems of the past few years but also as he wants his horses trained closer to his base in London.
Black said: "We're doing our own thing now, and I want a closer relationship with our own horses. If things had been different I still wouldn't have wanted the relationship as much as I had to start with.
"We'll continue to have a relationship with Manor House but it won't be anything like as full on as the one we had before. My involvement with racing won't change, I'll have relationships with slightly different trainers and we're interested in doing slightly more in Epsom. There's a bit of change coming there, it's a positive story and it works for us as it's local.
"The truth is, ultimately, I'm not in a good place with Tom at the moment but the fact is he's trained very well for me. We've had a lot of winners and some at Group level and at Royal Ascot. We had some good days but we are where we are and I think Manor House can emerge strongly from this."
Micheal Owen is considered extremely aggogant and unpleasant by most people I know who know him.....have to admit I was very pleased yesterday......
also there's more value in his runners.The Owen mob don't half leave the money behind .
After that Newmarket run , the best form on offer, 11-2 was a gift.
After that Newmarket run , the best form on offer, 11-2 was a gift.
Even bigger respect to Dascombe for putting Black back in his box.
Agreed. He seem quite an unpleasant type to deal with.
Owen had a sly little dig at Dascombe when interviewed around 12 months back - saying " the horses have improved under Hugo".
The jury is still out on that one. Dascombe had a progressive profile when first picked up by Owen, and it was a he'll of a risk he took, giving one source the power to put you on the heap at a whim.. Hope he has a cracking season and the yard expands.
The jury is still out on that one. Dascombe had a progressive profile when first picked up by Owen, and it was a he'll of a risk he took, giving one source the power to put you on the heap at a whim.. Hope he has a cracking season and the yard expands.
Palmer better than Dascombe? Never in a million years!
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