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03 May 24
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Why does he not get the credit he deserves? Absolutely fantastic trainer. Top three in UK easily.
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The trainer let slip the owner asked for the winner to run over 12f. As such, a Derby trial beckons, I'd imagine.
Had a chequered past Mac so reckon a few refrain from opinion following his past ban and the fact he's Northern based won't do him any favours amongst the Southern bias.
Deserves much kudos now in my view especially after the cancer diagnosis last year
Deserves much kudos now in my view especially after the cancer diagnosis last year
Has he won a Guineas before? Fallen Angle is very fancied, a bit less rain willl help.
Prix de Diane: Burke secured his first Classic win with Laurens in the Prix de Diane at Longchamp. Laurens was a very game filly who also won the May Hill Stakes and the Fillies Mile as a juvenile.
Thanks for the info 'Hayden'. I remember the horse and her owner, but not the trainer.
associated with Miles Rodgers when I shouldn't have done," Burke now admits. "I gave him my opinion on how well I expected some of my horses to run. What he did with that information was up to him. The fact is, I broke the rules and I've paid the penalty. But there was a lot more going on between Miles Rodgers and me that I'd like everyone to know about, that caused me to break the rules.
"I'd been involved in a deal with Miles Rodgers over an unlicensed yard for 18 months before he was warned off. I desperately wanted to develop it to extend my business, so I gave him my opinion on those horses to keep him sweet while we continued to press him to sell his share.Eventually Miles Rodgers sold his share and my reward is now a fully licensed yard with 33 boxes, two houses and a big indoor school. Yes, I was rewarded [for the information] but not financially. I don't want people to think I laid and stopped my horses, and got money for doing it, because it wasn't the case. I was never charged with doing that. I have never laid or stopped any horse."
"I'd been involved in a deal with Miles Rodgers over an unlicensed yard for 18 months before he was warned off. I desperately wanted to develop it to extend my business, so I gave him my opinion on those horses to keep him sweet while we continued to press him to sell his share.Eventually Miles Rodgers sold his share and my reward is now a fully licensed yard with 33 boxes, two houses and a big indoor school. Yes, I was rewarded [for the information] but not financially. I don't want people to think I laid and stopped my horses, and got money for doing it, because it wasn't the case. I was never charged with doing that. I have never laid or stopped any horse."
sold his share and my reward is now a fully licensed yard with 33 boxes, two houses and a big indoor school. Yes, I was rewarded [for the information] but not financially.
Orrible.
Orrible.
All very well. Imagine an associate of an illegal commodity supplier pinpointing the markets but never actually assisting with logistic.
Oh tell him where to buy it and sell it and he puts a Ferrari on your drive "but Im innocent guv"
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/burke-set-to-appeal-12-month-ban-1.1228191
A reward has an intrinsic value, and does not always mean financial/cash. A reward could be anything which can be translated/turned into financial/cash at a later date.
If I remember rightly, he was banned but Mrs Burke got to take the licence over. Rancid, a dreadful look in the circumstances.
Like nothing ever happened.
Like nothing ever happened.
Think he was allowed to work in the yard,while she had the licence.
Is she Willies Jarvis's daughter...?
Is she Willies Jarvis's daughter...?
Alan also played the game straight..
Alan Jarvis, who trains at Twyford, near Bicester, has conceded his career is over after losing his appeal against the British Horseracing Authority’s decision not to grant him a licence.
The BHA’s licensing committee announced in March that the 75-year-old handler would not be granted a full licence after deciding he was “not a suitable person”.
The reasons for the decision were not revealed at the conclusion of the first hearing.
However, Jarvis was declared bankrupt last year over debts owed to Doncaster Bloodstock Sales Limited which have still not been settled
Alan Jarvis, who trains at Twyford, near Bicester, has conceded his career is over after losing his appeal against the British Horseracing Authority’s decision not to grant him a licence.
The BHA’s licensing committee announced in March that the 75-year-old handler would not be granted a full licence after deciding he was “not a suitable person”.
The reasons for the decision were not revealed at the conclusion of the first hearing.
However, Jarvis was declared bankrupt last year over debts owed to Doncaster Bloodstock Sales Limited which have still not been settled
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SOMETIMES it’s not how you fall, it’s how you get back up. Just ask Team Burke. That’s what the occupants of Spigot Lodge, in Leyburn, call the duo of Karl and Elaine Burke – who have, in every sense, picked themselves up off the canvas and kept fighting.
Their promising business looked in ruins three years ago when Karl was banned by the British Horseracing Authority for 12 months following an exhaustive inquiry into race-fixing in the sport.
His crime had been to allegedly pass information to a former owner and the ban had huge consequences for him and his family.
Burke had 100 horses in training and employed 30 staff before being stripped of his licence. His star horse, Lord Shanakill, had just won the Prix Jean Prat in France, but he, and a succession of other promising thoroughbreds, were moved out of a yard that was shut down.
When the ban was up, it was wife Elaine that applied for, and received, a licence to train.
And so Team Burke started again from scratch – and quickly made a mark.
Last year, with only 35 horses, Elaine and Karl, now officially his wife’s assistant, trained 38 winners on the Flat.
Another 15 have so far flowed in the first couple of months of this campaign. After some enormous setbacks, there is huge optimism that the Burkes are on the up.
“It is Team Burke”, said Elaine of the operation at Spigot Lodge, which also sees the couple’s two daughters work in the business.
“It’s a family business. Kelly my eldest works in the office and rides out and organises a lot of the racing.
“My younger daughter is a very good rider and does the feeding of the horses.
“We have a few feeders who are always checking what the horses are eating. That’s very important. When my husband used to ride, and we did livery, the girls were in the prams and it is something we are all used to – working round the horses. It is your way of life. It always has been.”
Reflecting on the BHA ban, she continued: “We probably would have had one of our best seasons and, horse-wise, we probably had the best we ever had. We had to start again more or less from scratch.
“They wouldn’t give me a licence (when the ban began) and we had to keep what horses we had working with John Weymes over the road. I was put down as his assistant. We still had quite a few winners, for the horses we had and, as soon as Karl’s ban was lifted, they allowed me to have a licence.
“Karl needed a bit more time to get things together and it would give me a chance to have a licence.
“We had some lovely two-year-olds coming through that went elsewhere and did well. I suppose you have to move on.”
That ban meant some huge upheavals.
“Karl wasn’t even allowed to live at home,” Elaine explained. “That’s why there was the yard at Little Spigot so he could move back home.
“My father took the licence when it first happened and lived here (Spigot Lodge) and Karl had to move out for three months.
“At the time, it was my daughters’ 18th and 21st birthdays. It was a special time in their lives and I don’t think people realise how it affects the whole family – for breaking a rule and a lot of people didn’t know what the rule was.”
But while the horses initially went elsewhere, now they are flocking back. The Burkes have been able to increase their string from 35 to 65 in the space of a year and their raiding parties to France are proving profitable.
Not bad in a recession.
“The prize money there is amazing and, also, to be down to fifth you get a reasonable amount back,” Elaine added of the motivation for the cross-Channel visits.
“Here, if you are in an average race, you might pick up £1,500. For second you might get £400 and third £200. It’s wrong.
“We won a claimer out there with Lady Jourdain and she picked up £7,500. We took her back two weeks later, she won another claimer, and was claimed for £18,000. Altogether she won us £30,000 in about two weeks.
“She was only a moderate filly. But, over here, you would have to win a good race to get that money.
“I do like French racing, and it’s nice to see other tracks, but it is definitely the prize money. Over here, if you aren’t winning much money, there’s not a lot for an owner to reinvest.”
She added: “We had some very loyal owners who stuck with us and we have had a lot of owners recently who have come back. We have about 65 horses and we are delighted with that, especially in these times. It’s a really good number. I think people can see we do a good job with a horse. Our horses look well, are healthy and we do well with winners. Out of 35 horses last year, we probably had 40 winners. We are very optimistic for the future.”
KARL BURKE’S football associations lie with Liverpool but he would probably be best keeping that a secret from two of the yard’s newest clients.
Manchester United star Wayne Rooney and former team-mate John O’Shea, now Sunderland captain, are the newest owners in wife Elaine’s Spigot Lodge stable – the pair having bought a 75 per cent share in a two-year-old Dutch Art colt.
The horse was purchased as a yearling at Doncaster sales and Team Burke, who have trained horses for former Anfield stars John Arne Riise and Sami Hyypia, are hoping he can win a fair few races for his superstar owners.
It is the latest expansion in Rooney’s growing stable.
The England striker carried his colours for the first time last month when the Tom Dascombe-trained Pippy and Tomway ran at Chester.
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SOMETIMES it’s not how you fall, it’s how you get back up. Just ask Team Burke. That’s what the occupants of Spigot Lodge, in Leyburn, call the duo of Karl and Elaine Burke – who have, in every sense, picked themselves up off the canvas and kept fighting.
Their promising business looked in ruins three years ago when Karl was banned by the British Horseracing Authority for 12 months following an exhaustive inquiry into race-fixing in the sport.
His crime had been to allegedly pass information to a former owner and the ban had huge consequences for him and his family.
Burke had 100 horses in training and employed 30 staff before being stripped of his licence. His star horse, Lord Shanakill, had just won the Prix Jean Prat in France, but he, and a succession of other promising thoroughbreds, were moved out of a yard that was shut down.
When the ban was up, it was wife Elaine that applied for, and received, a licence to train.
And so Team Burke started again from scratch – and quickly made a mark.
Last year, with only 35 horses, Elaine and Karl, now officially his wife’s assistant, trained 38 winners on the Flat.
Another 15 have so far flowed in the first couple of months of this campaign. After some enormous setbacks, there is huge optimism that the Burkes are on the up.
“It is Team Burke”, said Elaine of the operation at Spigot Lodge, which also sees the couple’s two daughters work in the business.
“It’s a family business. Kelly my eldest works in the office and rides out and organises a lot of the racing.
“My younger daughter is a very good rider and does the feeding of the horses.
“We have a few feeders who are always checking what the horses are eating. That’s very important. When my husband used to ride, and we did livery, the girls were in the prams and it is something we are all used to – working round the horses. It is your way of life. It always has been.”
Reflecting on the BHA ban, she continued: “We probably would have had one of our best seasons and, horse-wise, we probably had the best we ever had. We had to start again more or less from scratch.
“They wouldn’t give me a licence (when the ban began) and we had to keep what horses we had working with John Weymes over the road. I was put down as his assistant. We still had quite a few winners, for the horses we had and, as soon as Karl’s ban was lifted, they allowed me to have a licence.
“Karl needed a bit more time to get things together and it would give me a chance to have a licence.
“We had some lovely two-year-olds coming through that went elsewhere and did well. I suppose you have to move on.”
That ban meant some huge upheavals.
“Karl wasn’t even allowed to live at home,” Elaine explained. “That’s why there was the yard at Little Spigot so he could move back home.
“My father took the licence when it first happened and lived here (Spigot Lodge) and Karl had to move out for three months.
“At the time, it was my daughters’ 18th and 21st birthdays. It was a special time in their lives and I don’t think people realise how it affects the whole family – for breaking a rule and a lot of people didn’t know what the rule was.”
But while the horses initially went elsewhere, now they are flocking back. The Burkes have been able to increase their string from 35 to 65 in the space of a year and their raiding parties to France are proving profitable.
Not bad in a recession.
“The prize money there is amazing and, also, to be down to fifth you get a reasonable amount back,” Elaine added of the motivation for the cross-Channel visits.
“Here, if you are in an average race, you might pick up £1,500. For second you might get £400 and third £200. It’s wrong.
“We won a claimer out there with Lady Jourdain and she picked up £7,500. We took her back two weeks later, she won another claimer, and was claimed for £18,000. Altogether she won us £30,000 in about two weeks.
“She was only a moderate filly. But, over here, you would have to win a good race to get that money.
“I do like French racing, and it’s nice to see other tracks, but it is definitely the prize money. Over here, if you aren’t winning much money, there’s not a lot for an owner to reinvest.”
She added: “We had some very loyal owners who stuck with us and we have had a lot of owners recently who have come back. We have about 65 horses and we are delighted with that, especially in these times. It’s a really good number. I think people can see we do a good job with a horse. Our horses look well, are healthy and we do well with winners. Out of 35 horses last year, we probably had 40 winners. We are very optimistic for the future.”
KARL BURKE’S football associations lie with Liverpool but he would probably be best keeping that a secret from two of the yard’s newest clients.
Manchester United star Wayne Rooney and former team-mate John O’Shea, now Sunderland captain, are the newest owners in wife Elaine’s Spigot Lodge stable – the pair having bought a 75 per cent share in a two-year-old Dutch Art colt.
The horse was purchased as a yearling at Doncaster sales and Team Burke, who have trained horses for former Anfield stars John Arne Riise and Sami Hyypia, are hoping he can win a fair few races for his superstar owners.
It is the latest expansion in Rooney’s growing stable.
The England striker carried his colours for the first time last month when the Tom Dascombe-trained Pippy and Tomway ran at Chester.
Don't fret we can all jump on Night Raider ! imagine he walks all over Liberty Lane at home and I've certainly got the impression that Burke thinks he's the real deal.
Very likeable guy,i wish him luck today and tomorrow,and his battle with his health.
Not in the slightest likeable...a sentiment not at all helped by the ITV lot,especially Chamberlain fawning all over him...always felt John Dance would have fitted in well as an owner there..
Lay Ice Max
for £20.00 @ 2.84 liability £36.80
Placed: 23 May 2024 21:14:13
Matched: 23 May 2024 21:14:15
Ref: Burkes a c*ea*ter
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for £20.00 @ 2.84 liability £36.80
Placed: 23 May 2024 21:14:13
Matched: 23 May 2024 21:14:15
Ref: Burkes a c*ea*ter
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That was strange at Carlisle. Paper fav trained by KB drifts like a barge and his newcomer gambled fav around 5/4. Late drift going down and they flip flop and Larchill Lass wins by a street with debutant Party Bear tailed off. Einstein would have problems trying to work that one out.
He never used to be that good.....Sumthin funny going on there.
Very good trainer though notable recent improvement a little strange. Never met him but two friends have had dealings and neither has a good word to say about him. It didnt hep that one of them had a two year old that won at very good odds after being backed at massive odds with the owners being told not to bother backing as had no chance and the run was educational.
Finished the race like it had just joined in ! One to follow imo.
Can't stand the love in for him on Itv racing..looks dodgy and it makes you wonder..
Back in the day went round his yard with the owner (dec) of Teenage Scribbler (major coup horse in 90s) and got the story . Worth looking at horses race record in the Post and its owners . They paid out in the end .
Remember Karl from my Newmarket days, he left town under the cover of darkness, leaving a pile of
Debt behind,
Debt behind,
Remember Karl from my Newmarket days, he left town under the cover of darkness, leaving a pile of
Debt behind,
Debt behind,
Werst arm, they are facts, he burned everyone. And it’s not my first day, was on here 10 years
You stupid boy
You stupid boy
Trainers also have owners not paying them. Then you have things like according to RP article Burke buys and moves into Spigot Lodge and then he's asked for £1000 or the concrete eagles at the gate will be removed.
Plenty of money for his Sands of Indi in the 4.10 Carlisle. 14/1 into 3/1.
... 4-50 ..... I assume this Frech bred will enjoy its first attempt on Soft/heavy ground.
Also good money for his Night Raider 3-40 Ascot Tomorrow. 14/1 - 7/1.
Classic back to lay this. On the bridle furlong out and calfs like a Wesley Ward
11kv • June 14, 2025 3:18 PM BST
Ch@&t.
Don't paint Kieran Burke with the same brush, yet at least!
Ch@&t.
Don't paint Kieran Burke with the same brush, yet at least!
Mics said the same stuff, albeit in overdrive form, about many. He bet a lot. Or watched a lot. This was his place to vent. Everyone deserves an outlet, same as you lot have.
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