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Always remember guys when you hear someone say 'there's nowt ya can do about the weather'...Well, read what the BBC discovered from declassified files about what was going on as far back as the 1950s...And then ask yourself: what might they be capable of now with their advances in knowledge and technology?
Published 2001:
RAF rainmakers 'caused 1952 flood'
Unearthed documents suggest experiment triggered torrent that killed 35 in Devon disaster
On August 15, 1952, one of the worst flash floods ever to have occurred in Britain swept through the Devon village of Lynmouth. Thirty five people died as a torrent of 90m tons of water and thousands of tons of rock poured off saturated Exmoor and into the village destroying homes, bridges, shops and hotels.
The disaster was officially termed "the hand of God" but new evidence from previously classified government files suggests that a team of international scientists working with the RAF was experimenting with artificial rainmaking in southern Britain in the same week and could possibly be implicated.
Squadron Leader Len Otley, who was working on what was known as Operation Cumulus, has told the BBC that they jokingly referred to the rainmaking exercise as Operation Witch Doctor.
His navigator, Group Captain John Hart, remembers the success of these early experiments: "We flew straight through the top of the cloud, poured dry ice down into the cloud. We flew down to see if any rain came out of the cloud. And it did about 30 minutes later, and we all cheered."
The meteorological office has in the past denied there were any rainmaking experiments conducted before 1955, but a BBC Radio 4 history investigation, to be broadcast tonight, has unearthed documents recently released at the public record office showing that they were going on from 1949 to 1955. RAF logbooks and personnel corroborate the evidence.
Until now, the Ministry of Defence has categorically denied knowledge of any cloud-seeding experiments taking place in the UK during early August 1952. But documents suggest that Operation Cumulus was going on between August 4 and August 15 1952. The scientists were based at Cranfield school of aeronautics and worked in collaboration with the RAF and the MoD's meteorological research flight based at Farnborough. The chemicals were provided by ICI in Billingham.
Met office reports from these dates describe flights undertaken to collect data on cumulus cloud temperature, water content, icing rate, vertical motions and turbulence, and water droplet and ice crystal formation. There is no mention of cloud seeding.
But a 50-year-old radio broadcast unearthed by Radio 4 describes an aeronautical engineer and glider pilot, Alan Yates, working with Operation Cumulus at the time and flying over Bedfordshire, spraying quantities of salt. He was elated when the scientists told him this had led to a heavy downpour 50 miles away over Staines, in Middlesex.
"I was told that the rain had been the heaviest for several years - and all out of a sky which looked summery ... there was no disguising the fact that the seedsman had said he'd make it rain, and he did. Toasts were drunk to meteorology and it was not until the BBC news bulletin [about Lynmouth] was read later on, that a stony silence fell on the company," said Mr Yates at the time.
Operation Cumulus was put on hold indefinitely after the tragedy.
Declassified minutes from an air ministry meeting, held in the war office on November 3, 1953, show why the military were interested in increasing rain and snow by artificial means. The list of possible uses included "bogging down enemy movement", "incrementing the water flow in rivers and streams to hinder or stop enemy crossings", and clearing fog from airfields.
The documents also talk of rainmaking having a potential "to explode an atomic weapon in a seeded storm system or cloud. This would produce a far wider area of radioactive contamination than in a normal atomic explosion".
UK weather modification experiments at the time presaged current practice in the US. The idea was to target "super cool" clouds, and to increase the volume of freezing water vapour particles. Most methods involved firing particles of salt, dry ice, or silver iodide, into clouds, either from an aeroplane or from burners on the ground. The clouds would then precipitate, pulled down below freezing point by the extra weight of dense particles, thus making it rain sooner and heavier than it might have done. Significantly, it was claimed that silver iodide could cause a downpour up to 300 miles away.
Many countries now use the technology, which has considerably improved during the past 50 years.
But controversy still surrounds the efficacy of these early cloud-seeding experiments. In 1955 questions were asked in the Commons about the possibilites of liability and compensation claims. Documents seen by the BBC suggest that both the air ministry and the Treasury became very anxious and were aware that rainmaking could cause damage, not just to military targets and personnel, but also to civilians.
The British Geological Survey has recently examined soil sediments in the district of Lynmouth to see if any silver or iodide residues remain. The testing has been limited due to restrictions in place because of foot and mouth disease, and it is inconclusive. However, silver residue has been discovered in the catchment waters of the river Lyn. The BGS will investigate further over the next 18 months.
Survivors of the Lynmouth flood called for - but never got - a full investigation into the causes of the disaster. Rumours persist to this day of planes circling before the inundation.
Published 2001:
RAF rainmakers 'caused 1952 flood'
Unearthed documents suggest experiment triggered torrent that killed 35 in Devon disaster
On August 15, 1952, one of the worst flash floods ever to have occurred in Britain swept through the Devon village of Lynmouth. Thirty five people died as a torrent of 90m tons of water and thousands of tons of rock poured off saturated Exmoor and into the village destroying homes, bridges, shops and hotels.
The disaster was officially termed "the hand of God" but new evidence from previously classified government files suggests that a team of international scientists working with the RAF was experimenting with artificial rainmaking in southern Britain in the same week and could possibly be implicated.
Squadron Leader Len Otley, who was working on what was known as Operation Cumulus, has told the BBC that they jokingly referred to the rainmaking exercise as Operation Witch Doctor.
His navigator, Group Captain John Hart, remembers the success of these early experiments: "We flew straight through the top of the cloud, poured dry ice down into the cloud. We flew down to see if any rain came out of the cloud. And it did about 30 minutes later, and we all cheered."
The meteorological office has in the past denied there were any rainmaking experiments conducted before 1955, but a BBC Radio 4 history investigation, to be broadcast tonight, has unearthed documents recently released at the public record office showing that they were going on from 1949 to 1955. RAF logbooks and personnel corroborate the evidence.
Until now, the Ministry of Defence has categorically denied knowledge of any cloud-seeding experiments taking place in the UK during early August 1952. But documents suggest that Operation Cumulus was going on between August 4 and August 15 1952. The scientists were based at Cranfield school of aeronautics and worked in collaboration with the RAF and the MoD's meteorological research flight based at Farnborough. The chemicals were provided by ICI in Billingham.
Met office reports from these dates describe flights undertaken to collect data on cumulus cloud temperature, water content, icing rate, vertical motions and turbulence, and water droplet and ice crystal formation. There is no mention of cloud seeding.
But a 50-year-old radio broadcast unearthed by Radio 4 describes an aeronautical engineer and glider pilot, Alan Yates, working with Operation Cumulus at the time and flying over Bedfordshire, spraying quantities of salt. He was elated when the scientists told him this had led to a heavy downpour 50 miles away over Staines, in Middlesex.
"I was told that the rain had been the heaviest for several years - and all out of a sky which looked summery ... there was no disguising the fact that the seedsman had said he'd make it rain, and he did. Toasts were drunk to meteorology and it was not until the BBC news bulletin [about Lynmouth] was read later on, that a stony silence fell on the company," said Mr Yates at the time.
Operation Cumulus was put on hold indefinitely after the tragedy.
Declassified minutes from an air ministry meeting, held in the war office on November 3, 1953, show why the military were interested in increasing rain and snow by artificial means. The list of possible uses included "bogging down enemy movement", "incrementing the water flow in rivers and streams to hinder or stop enemy crossings", and clearing fog from airfields.
The documents also talk of rainmaking having a potential "to explode an atomic weapon in a seeded storm system or cloud. This would produce a far wider area of radioactive contamination than in a normal atomic explosion".
UK weather modification experiments at the time presaged current practice in the US. The idea was to target "super cool" clouds, and to increase the volume of freezing water vapour particles. Most methods involved firing particles of salt, dry ice, or silver iodide, into clouds, either from an aeroplane or from burners on the ground. The clouds would then precipitate, pulled down below freezing point by the extra weight of dense particles, thus making it rain sooner and heavier than it might have done. Significantly, it was claimed that silver iodide could cause a downpour up to 300 miles away.
Many countries now use the technology, which has considerably improved during the past 50 years.
But controversy still surrounds the efficacy of these early cloud-seeding experiments. In 1955 questions were asked in the Commons about the possibilites of liability and compensation claims. Documents seen by the BBC suggest that both the air ministry and the Treasury became very anxious and were aware that rainmaking could cause damage, not just to military targets and personnel, but also to civilians.
The British Geological Survey has recently examined soil sediments in the district of Lynmouth to see if any silver or iodide residues remain. The testing has been limited due to restrictions in place because of foot and mouth disease, and it is inconclusive. However, silver residue has been discovered in the catchment waters of the river Lyn. The BGS will investigate further over the next 18 months.
Survivors of the Lynmouth flood called for - but never got - a full investigation into the causes of the disaster. Rumours persist to this day of planes circling before the inundation.
and g1 conspiracy mug boy george joins in
thats evidence of nothing other than your infantile obsession with nonsense. never any evidence, always-'if they did this then who knows what else'. thats as near as you get, because theres no evidence for any of it
you waste your time watching vids by richard d hall, the fruitiest of cakes. get a grip you mug and go and learn something-read a few books (rectangular printed work consisting of slivers of paper bound together)
there are real nasty conspiracies all around but you only see them where you want and ignore the ones that could be true
thats evidence of nothing other than your infantile obsession with nonsense. never any evidence, always-'if they did this then who knows what else'. thats as near as you get, because theres no evidence for any of it
you waste your time watching vids by richard d hall, the fruitiest of cakes. get a grip you mug and go and learn something-read a few books (rectangular printed work consisting of slivers of paper bound together)
there are real nasty conspiracies all around but you only see them where you want and ignore the ones that could be true
I remembered this from a few years ago.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3071598/Putin-spends-5m-cloud-dispe...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3071598/Putin-spends-5m-cloud-dispe...
mitolo 10 Apr 24 13:10
put it in the bath and jump in after it
mitolo, never attempt what legendary French singer / songwriter Claude Francois did and try to adjust a light fixture whilst taking a bath, we wouldn't want anything nasty to happen to you.
put it in the bath and jump in after it
mitolo, never attempt what legendary French singer / songwriter Claude Francois did and try to adjust a light fixture whilst taking a bath, we wouldn't want anything nasty to happen to you.
Could be useful for Champions Day. Of course it will p*ss down on Slough and Reading but that's just an added bonus.
Didn't Sheikh Mo once famously order the clouds to be seeded ahead of the Dubai World Cup?
Whatever, it goes on there
https://gulfnews.com/uae/science/uae-performs-around-1000-hours-of-cloud-seeding-a-year-to-enhance-rainfall-1.93422496
Whatever, it goes on there
https://gulfnews.com/uae/science/uae-performs-around-1000-hours-of-cloud-seeding-a-year-to-enhance-rainfall-1.93422496
I have to say Mitolo sounds like a nasty piece of work.....to be avoided at all costs......ignore him George....everyone has a right to free speech and their own opinions
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Fckin freezin where I am, had to put both bars on the fire.
And so the climate has changed then !
Fckin freezin where I am, had to put both bars on the fire.
And so the climate has changed then !
Well said DBTB, a nasty piece of work indeed. I'm gonna block him, the nasty focker.
By the way guys, here's the link to that article above, please feel free to share with anyone and everyone.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/30/sillyseason.physicalsciences
By the way guys, here's the link to that article above, please feel free to share with anyone and everyone.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2001/aug/30/sillyseason.physicalsciences
i was recommending it to the op
such attempts at interfering with the local climate are at its most sinister in china (beijing olympics was a bad/good example), as are many nasty goings-on that truth-seekers arent interested in. does anyone doubt that if the virus had escaped from a lab in the u.s there would be a load of conspiracy loons all over it? i suspect so, but its only a theory
and its not connected to climate change, which the opeless op never stops laughing at, despite a looming disaster. its going to get a lot worse
such attempts at interfering with the local climate are at its most sinister in china (beijing olympics was a bad/good example), as are many nasty goings-on that truth-seekers arent interested in. does anyone doubt that if the virus had escaped from a lab in the u.s there would be a load of conspiracy loons all over it? i suspect so, but its only a theory
and its not connected to climate change, which the opeless op never stops laughing at, despite a looming disaster. its going to get a lot worse
The BBC, bloody conspiracy theorists 
"But controversy still surrounds the efficacy of these early cloud-seeding experiments. In 1955 questions were asked in the Commons about the possibilites of liability and compensation claims. Documents seen by the BBC suggest that both the air ministry and the Treasury became very anxious and were aware that rainmaking could cause damage, not just to military targets and personnel, but also to civilians."
"But controversy still surrounds the efficacy of these early cloud-seeding experiments. In 1955 questions were asked in the Commons about the possibilites of liability and compensation claims. Documents seen by the BBC suggest that both the air ministry and the Treasury became very anxious and were aware that rainmaking could cause damage, not just to military targets and personnel, but also to civilians."
that the best you can do? you big tarts handbag. go and treat yourself to a manicure. and btw youve called me thick as sh1t and a moron. lucky im not as sensitive as you. seem to be
and what that i mooted do you disagree with? i dont like conspiracy mugs, for good reason. they were once laughed at but now theyve unwittingly been adopted by the evil canute in the kremlin they are a menace. putin floods the interweb with poisonous garbage and the loons swallow it because those that know nothing believe anything as they dont have any terms of reference
anyone with a basic knowledge or interest in post-cold war geo politics and putins capture of state power would not need this pointing out. ukraines friends are the nordic and baltic states and all of western europe. putin has north korea iran china. spot the difference?
he has set up a department called 'portal kombat' that exists solely to spread disinformation-millions of posts weekly, and its effective and cheap. nobody in russia sees any of this of course. how they would love to have some form of 'msm'
and dbtheberk has never voiced an opinion, cos he hasnt got any. 'free speech' indeed. not in russia, or most places
and what that i mooted do you disagree with? i dont like conspiracy mugs, for good reason. they were once laughed at but now theyve unwittingly been adopted by the evil canute in the kremlin they are a menace. putin floods the interweb with poisonous garbage and the loons swallow it because those that know nothing believe anything as they dont have any terms of reference
anyone with a basic knowledge or interest in post-cold war geo politics and putins capture of state power would not need this pointing out. ukraines friends are the nordic and baltic states and all of western europe. putin has north korea iran china. spot the difference?
he has set up a department called 'portal kombat' that exists solely to spread disinformation-millions of posts weekly, and its effective and cheap. nobody in russia sees any of this of course. how they would love to have some form of 'msm'
and dbtheberk has never voiced an opinion, cos he hasnt got any. 'free speech' indeed. not in russia, or most places
He's got a tongue like a whip has mibigtoe.
''big tarts handbag'' indeed, and there's a non crime hate incident for a start.
But there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
I noticed one of my neighbours doing a rain-dance in the garden the other day. Sure enough it p1ssed down afterwards.
''big tarts handbag'' indeed, and there's a non crime hate incident for a start.
But there might be more to this story than meets the eye.
I noticed one of my neighbours doing a rain-dance in the garden the other day. Sure enough it p1ssed down afterwards.
The only difference between a conspiracy theory and fact is a few years to decades. Even Hunter's laptop was a conspiracy theory, until it wasn't. But until there's official evidence, the sheeple will always look down on those with brains.
Sheeple will never admit who conned and wrong they were though....
Funny to see!
Funny to see!
dr drivel with his usual nonsense. its all true aint it crappen?
and gays has more than one brain it seems. 'sheeple' another giveaway term for a mug. name one theory that has been proven
and gays has more than one brain it seems. 'sheeple' another giveaway term for a mug. name one theory that has been proven
"name one theory that has been proven"....I think you just proved one about yourself, judging by your performance on this thread.
if its proven please tell. assertion is not argument. you need evidence but we never get any
Google is your friend. Try "11 Unbelievable Conspiracy Theories That Were Actually True"
for a longer list try https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/wiki/lopc
no it doesnt
why are ther no conspiracy theories about russia or china? given their record of rubbing out enemies its mazing nobody has spotted any
why are ther no conspiracy theories about russia or china? given their record of rubbing out enemies its mazing nobody has spotted any
How it started:
https://gulfnews.com/uae/science/uae-performs-around-1000-hours-of-cloud-seeding-a-year-to-enhance-rainfall-1.93422496
How it's going:
https://twitter.com/gunsnrosesgirl3/status/1780341217999331818
https://gulfnews.com/uae/science/uae-performs-around-1000-hours-of-cloud-seeding-a-year-to-enhance-rainfall-1.93422496
How it's going:
https://twitter.com/gunsnrosesgirl3/status/1780341217999331818
Crazy stuff George and no doubt will be blamed on Climate Change....and still the gullible will fall for it and keep paying their ever growing green taxes
Its 6/4 that either Sparrow or Mitilo contribute to this thread next......gotta be value
UK Column today reporting on the 'Marine Cloud Brightening Program' experiments being carried out by the University of Washington, the aim being to make the clouds brighter so that they will reflect sunlight back into space and "cool the globe".
In a report by NBC, the researchers openly admit they don't know what the negative impacts will be
The program collaborates with institutions around the world, including the University of Exeter, which, when contacted by UK Column, said they provide expertise in "climate modelling" to the program.
In a report by NBC, the researchers openly admit they don't know what the negative impacts will be
The program collaborates with institutions around the world, including the University of Exeter, which, when contacted by UK Column, said they provide expertise in "climate modelling" to the program.
Marine cloud brightening is a solar radiation management geoengineering or climate engineering approach that increases the reflectivity or albedo of marine clouds by seeding them with seawater aerosol (Latham et al., 2008) (see Cloud Brightening Project Video below).
Did anyone vote for this, or did any public consultations take place?
Did anyone vote for this, or did any public consultations take place?
If the weather in Dubai was down to " cloud seeding" how did the weather forecasters who's Model predicted this know.?
Dubai zap the clouds with drones to make it rain, they zapped too many, climate change the largest media/ government fraud for those gullible enough to take it in
Apr 18, 2024 -- 8:22AM, know all wrote:
Dubai zap the clouds with drones to make it rain, they zapped too many, climate change the largest media/ government fraud for those gullible enough to take it in
Agree
mugs
media and govt fraud for what exactly? who is behind it and why has every state in the world joined in? one hell of a conspiracy and as usual, its top secret, despite involving incredible numbers of people
and theyve got all the boffins onside as well. all of em. increible how 'they' keep doing this and getting away with it. thank god for knob all and co. for spotting it and letting us know
and for an cretin like this wanchor to accuse others of gullibility is laughable
media and govt fraud for what exactly? who is behind it and why has every state in the world joined in? one hell of a conspiracy and as usual, its top secret, despite involving incredible numbers of people
and theyve got all the boffins onside as well. all of em. increible how 'they' keep doing this and getting away with it. thank god for knob all and co. for spotting it and letting us know
and for an cretin like this wanchor to accuse others of gullibility is laughable
If oceans are rising, why has Obama paid 7 million dollars for a beach residence i winder ?
Hmm or why Zuckerberg built an end of the world bunker in Hawaii…thought that would’ve been one of the first places to disappear.
The key is if there was really an emergency and the world was going to end in the next few years we world see immediate changes that were make lockdown look like a joke.
But no one takes it seriously…there’s a chap on FB who sells private jets (the jet business) pretty good channel but he was saying that sales of private jets are through the roof and better than ever.
Instead we get Boris signing agreements to get to net zero by x date and we all have to pay thousands to some private company to switch from gas to a heat pump.
Yeah ok…
The key is if there was really an emergency and the world was going to end in the next few years we world see immediate changes that were make lockdown look like a joke.
But no one takes it seriously…there’s a chap on FB who sells private jets (the jet business) pretty good channel but he was saying that sales of private jets are through the roof and better than ever.
Instead we get Boris signing agreements to get to net zero by x date and we all have to pay thousands to some private company to switch from gas to a heat pump.
Yeah ok…
mitolo 18 Apr 24 15:20
mugs
media and govt fraud for what exactly? who is behind it and why has every state in the world joined in? one hell of a conspiracy and as usual, its top secret, despite involving incredible numbers of people
and theyve got all the boffins onside as well. all of em. increible how 'they' keep doing this and getting away with it. thank god for knob all and co. for spotting it and letting us know
and for an cretin like this wanchor to accuse others of gullibility is laughable
Yeah, too right, mitolo
Truly 'laughable' innit? It's like that time in the 1930s when a small group of psychopaths hatched a plan to murder millions of Jews. Just think of all the people they'd need 'on board' to get away with that one, eh?
Oh, hang on...
mugs
media and govt fraud for what exactly? who is behind it and why has every state in the world joined in? one hell of a conspiracy and as usual, its top secret, despite involving incredible numbers of people
and theyve got all the boffins onside as well. all of em. increible how 'they' keep doing this and getting away with it. thank god for knob all and co. for spotting it and letting us know
and for an cretin like this wanchor to accuse others of gullibility is laughable
Yeah, too right, mitolo
Truly 'laughable' innit? It's like that time in the 1930s when a small group of psychopaths hatched a plan to murder millions of Jews. Just think of all the people they'd need 'on board' to get away with that one, eh?
Oh, hang on...
so obarmy has been saying climate change is a looming catastrophe (he has) yet knows its bollox and buys a property on the coast? is that it? how incrediblt seaky and dishonest of him to delude and defraud the entire world solely for personal benefit. what a creep. and he got so many onside. incredible
maybe he got it cheaper. walofs. theres precisely no evidence of fraud or conspiracy but tons of it being a very real problem thats getting worse
maybe he got it cheaper. walofs. theres precisely no evidence of fraud or conspiracy but tons of it being a very real problem thats getting worse
its not like that. and it shows how lacking in evidence you are that s all you can come up with. nazis == evidence for climate change being a conspiracy
but you do it all the time. 'if this happened, why isnt this?' evidence rather than childish irrelevancy please
but you do it all the time. 'if this happened, why isnt this?' evidence rather than childish irrelevancy please
Mitolo, money pure and simple it really started over 20 years ago, like most things it’s all a illusion sunak runs f all, liz truss was spot on but it was not allowed, they will do anything to keep trump out as Biden can’t walk straight, meanwhile china is opening 2 coal power stations a month, in 50-100 years time we will extract our coal again as it will be that valuable they will have no choice, you heard it here first lol
mitolo 18 Apr 24 15:51
nazis == evidence for climate change being a conspiracy
You're saying how many people they would need on board and for no-one to whistleblow, so I've given you an example of when a small group of psychopaths managed to get an entire nation on board.
Let's try another then. How about the time in the not too distant past, when govts around the world set out to convince populations that there was a deadly disease on the loose, one with a 99.9% survival rate, and that billions of people would need to have an experimental potion injected into them, which they said was "safe and effective" but turned out to be anything but.
They'd never get away with that one, would they?
Oh, hang on...
nazis == evidence for climate change being a conspiracy
You're saying how many people they would need on board and for no-one to whistleblow, so I've given you an example of when a small group of psychopaths managed to get an entire nation on board.
Let's try another then. How about the time in the not too distant past, when govts around the world set out to convince populations that there was a deadly disease on the loose, one with a 99.9% survival rate, and that billions of people would need to have an experimental potion injected into them, which they said was "safe and effective" but turned out to be anything but.
They'd never get away with that one, would they?
Oh, hang on...
its not money-it has cost inclaculable amounts trying to control it and is totally beyond recovery. and thats not evidence anyway
every country in the world, even the bad ones like china have agreed its a real and pressing problem. they just dont givash1t
why do they force every nobel prize winner to scare us? wsurely they are eminent enough to feel brave enough to speak out? they dont. weird
you lot simply dont think through what you allege. if its a fraud its unimaginably large and well-supported
its 1 million times less likely to be a scam than it is to be real
every country in the world, even the bad ones like china have agreed its a real and pressing problem. they just dont givash1t
why do they force every nobel prize winner to scare us? wsurely they are eminent enough to feel brave enough to speak out? they dont. weird
you lot simply dont think through what you allege. if its a fraud its unimaginably large and well-supported
its 1 million times less likely to be a scam than it is to be real
thats not evidence of a conspiracy or cover up is it? wheres the evidence? i keep asking but it never appears
Could say something about gender ideology and where the state, media and academia stand on that one, and how it's playing out, but hey, we don't want you being arrested for 'wrong think', so best you don't say anything about it.
you could but it would be irrelevant. evidence of your claim please rahter than whataboutery
Apr 18, 2024 -- 4:15PM, mitolo wrote:
its not money-it has cost inclaculable amounts trying to control it and is totally beyond recovery. and thats not evidence anywayevery country in the world, even the bad ones like china have agreed its a real and pressing problem. they just dont givash1twhy do they force every nobel prize winner to scare us? wsurely they are eminent enough to feel brave enough to speak out? they dont. weirdyou lot simply dont think through what you allege. if its a fraud its unimaginably large and well-supportedits 1 million times less likely to be a scam than it is to be real
Not sure there is any evidence it is beyond recovery, similar to a lot of issues that happen over an extended period the recovery should be spread over the same time scale, it's a quick recovery that could be the problem or a attempts at a man made correction that worries me the most, if talk of unrecoverability are allowed to persist then this could lead to an expediated man induced correction being seen as only solution.
Besides over time a massive natural event will do the job if all else fails, but think a 300 year time scale is about right.
Short term though, just gonna have to suck it up.
i dont
evasion. im not alleging a giant con trick perpetrated by the unstated but i assume govt and media. is that correct?
in order to come up with this theory you surely have evidence, given how outlandish it is, but you are unwillingly to supply any, and just hark back to irrelevancies which suggests you dont have any. put up or shut up
evasion. im not alleging a giant con trick perpetrated by the unstated but i assume govt and media. is that correct?
in order to come up with this theory you surely have evidence, given how outlandish it is, but you are unwillingly to supply any, and just hark back to irrelevancies which suggests you dont have any. put up or shut up
the money spent is beyond it. i dont know about climate change being reversible or stopped and nor does anyone
You don’t need evidence when every scientist says it’s happening , oh connected in some way so they are getting paid in some way, post office had evidence horizon didn’t have any problems and before that 20 years wheeling out experts there’s your evidence lol
Mitolo, that’s the point thousands of years the climates changed its natural, in 1300 over by Withernsea, yorkshires Atlantis was lost to sea change, hundreds of homes displaced, Google that if it happened now it’s climate change
you dont need evidence but you know a giant worldwide conspiracy is being perpetrated by a cabal of deeply sinister unscrupulous dishonest and theiving actors, and for reasons unknown, or only hinted at. brilliant
the pacific islanders worried about being inundated will need to hear better evidence than the british post office scandal in order to reassure them
get back in conspiracy corner you mug
the pacific islanders worried about being inundated will need to hear better evidence than the british post office scandal in order to reassure them
get back in conspiracy corner you mug
it might not be, but the evidence, such as we have and as it has been interpreted, suggests something is very wrong. it might not be, and i hope it isnt but the warning signs are there that what the overwhelming majority of studies by eminent scientists and weather patterns being disrupted at unusal speed have shown is very bad news and potentially catastrophic
but one thing it aint is a fraud/scam/conspiracy by big govt and meeja. thats what im laughing at. the conspiracy mugs just cant help themselves
but one thing it aint is a fraud/scam/conspiracy by big govt and meeja. thats what im laughing at. the conspiracy mugs just cant help themselves
Wid go easy on pacific islanders , entire teutonic plate is moving, so is the sand the islands sit on, as is height of water due to prevailing wind, ect ect ect.
Take that wan oot and throw away m8
Take that wan oot and throw away m8
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this from the u.n- 'High vulnerability to climate change and puts economic development and macroeconomic stability at risk in small island economies in the Pacific..... $3.3 billion was committed for climate projects in the Pacific region between 2014 and 2019, and each island country has received some climate finance (Figure 6; Annex Tables 2.1 and 2.2).5 Climate projects are classified as focusing on mitigation (reducing greenhouse gases), adaptation (adjusting to the impact of climate change), or multiple focus action'
they clearly dont see it that way and are in receipt of zillions from the u.n. and many have been offered refuge in aus
but its all bollox. so why are they doing that?
this from the u.n- 'High vulnerability to climate change and puts economic development and macroeconomic stability at risk in small island economies in the Pacific..... $3.3 billion was committed for climate projects in the Pacific region between 2014 and 2019, and each island country has received some climate finance (Figure 6; Annex Tables 2.1 and 2.2).5 Climate projects are classified as focusing on mitigation (reducing greenhouse gases), adaptation (adjusting to the impact of climate change), or multiple focus action'
they clearly dont see it that way and are in receipt of zillions from the u.n. and many have been offered refuge in aus
but its all bollox. so why are they doing that?
Global Warming exists, mostly man made
Anyone that doesn’t believe this should go and join the flat Earth society
However, the exaggeration of the rate of it is absolute scaremongering, a convenient way to raise taxes by governments of all persuasions that are inept in running budgets, ditto mayors (see ULEZ)
Anyone that doesn’t believe this should go and join the flat Earth society
However, the exaggeration of the rate of it is absolute scaremongering, a convenient way to raise taxes by governments of all persuasions that are inept in running budgets, ditto mayors (see ULEZ)
They are doing that because of change, but the reasons often cited mention sea level rise, that's the issue that renders these islands useless in the warming debate, these islands are just spits of sand in a very low area.
The changing wind direction has increased tides which are eroding them,plate shift too, there will be winners elsewhere but these tidal spits are currently losers.
Plenty UN monies go here thar for all sorts of reasons, doesn't mean it's evidence of anything.
Is the "climate changing", yes, has it always been changing, yes.
Is man made climate change real, probably.
Should we reduce pollution and live more sustainable, of course.
The changing wind direction has increased tides which are eroding them,plate shift too, there will be winners elsewhere but these tidal spits are currently losers.
Plenty UN monies go here thar for all sorts of reasons, doesn't mean it's evidence of anything.
Is the "climate changing", yes, has it always been changing, yes.
Is man made climate change real, probably.
Should we reduce pollution and live more sustainable, of course.
Easy to spot the ones who have got the heat pumps and electric cars. Go watch a video of the sun burning out and how long we would last without it!!
Mind boggles that you think you can control a mass like the sun 96 million miles away which continues to fuse hydrogen atoms to make helium in its core. It fuses about 600 million tons of hydrogen every second, yielding 596 million tons of helium. The remaining four million tons of hydrogen are converted to energy, which makes the Sun shine.
600 MILLION TONS OF HYDROGEN every second, just think about that for a second Now what happens if for just 1 minute it only burnt 500 million instead of 600 or 700 instead of 600 does everything stay the same 
Conclusion we don't even know 1% of our universe yet!!
Mind boggles that you think you can control a mass like the sun 96 million miles away which continues to fuse hydrogen atoms to make helium in its core. It fuses about 600 million tons of hydrogen every second, yielding 596 million tons of helium. The remaining four million tons of hydrogen are converted to energy, which makes the Sun shine.
600 MILLION TONS OF HYDROGEN every second, just think about that for a second
Now what happens if for just 1 minute it only burnt 500 million instead of 600 or 700 instead of 600 does everything stay the same Conclusion we don't even know 1% of our universe yet!!
Sorry solar system, universe would be 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
but the u.n explicitly says the cash is to ready them for the approaching calamity due to climate change- i dont know and nor do you(are you a climatologist?-i dont fink so) but they arent doing this for a giggle. so it is evidence of something, despite what you say
scientific studies have shown relentless change and it will accelerate they say. hence chucking them bundles. very nice of them
and conspiracy mug clara turns up with the currant bun. nobody says you can control it brainbox(if only your mind could boggle a bit more it might activate itself)
its not the sun its the unprecendented anthropocenic change that is the question nobody knows the answer to. the elements that protect the planet from the deadly rays have been diminished and the ice caps melt and reflect less harmful radiation and the hotter the oceans get and it increases exponentionally and when theres no ice left the oceans are much higher and weather more unpredictable and we all fry or drown. something like that
scientific studies have shown relentless change and it will accelerate they say. hence chucking them bundles. very nice of them
and conspiracy mug clara turns up with the currant bun. nobody says you can control it brainbox(if only your mind could boggle a bit more it might activate itself)
its not the sun its the unprecendented anthropocenic change that is the question nobody knows the answer to. the elements that protect the planet from the deadly rays have been diminished and the ice caps melt and reflect less harmful radiation and the hotter the oceans get and it increases exponentionally and when theres no ice left the oceans are much higher and weather more unpredictable and we all fry or drown. something like that
Mit'special brew' tolo thinks he's the god on every subject Put your can down for a minute and turn your heat pump off it's getting to your alcohol damage brain.
The sun is the daddy why every ancient native worshipped it! Mugs like you just FUELLING the elites to get even richer, the biggest thing what has made me laugh in last 15 years is it were just heat what was the problem, now its heat wind snow etc, the ****s are claiming every weather event now and if they put a name to a storm it's the worse one for 100 years
Put your can down for a minute and turn your heat pump off it's getting to your alcohol damage brain.The sun is the daddy why every ancient native worshipped it! Mugs like you just FUELLING the elites to get even richer, the biggest thing what has made me laugh in last 15 years is it were just heat what was the problem, now its heat wind snow etc, the ****s are claiming every weather event now and if they put a name to a storm it's the worse one for 100 years
Here's Dave I'm off before he calls me a racist for saying we are still in an ice age 
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