Betbuilders

The fobt of "sports". Play this at your peril.

Agree , i'd always struggle to define a gambling difference between soccer & fobt

Agree , i'd always struggle to define a gambling difference between soccer & fobt

Asked for Luton to Score 3 or more.

Carlton Morris to get a hat trick plus 16 corners, 4 yellows, 1 red and the wind blowing from the east.

Offered me 150/1.

Bit their arm off!!!  Daft beggers.

I was given a free betbuilder bet yesterday. It was so complicated that I got it wrong multiple times. Eventually, I settled for the Newcastle vs Everton game; did Newcastle (double-result), and 1-2 goal margin. And, I even lost on this minimum (2) selections. 

How'd any win with predicting; etc; etcnumber of corners; time of 1st goal; number/time of 1st booking; etc; etc; etc?

Simple answer long term impossible is that they don't , it's a dripping tap.

Sad to say the  customers  LOVE THEM.
Ronnie.

People doing bet builders are no different to the ones who’ll do a ten team acca on a Saturday. Unfortunately it’s multiplying bad value by bad value with each selection added. If you’re not bothered about that then at least you can sling a few related bets together on a game you’re gonna watch.

My old apprentice loved them. He got a few nice returns for small stakes, plus some near misses for several thousands.

It’s hardly the fobt of sports. I can’t imagine many getting addicted to frigging betbuilders!

Alberts example says it all. 33/1 against 60/1 for the bet.

The Saturday acca punters must be addicted to go so long with no return Ken so if they're of the same cloth i'm sure builders will be or become a must play for many.

Ronnie intimates as much.

Talking of addiction i asked the question on another thread yesterday , If you asked 100 punters on here would/could they stop playing horse racing from tomorrow , how many truthfully could , maybe a handful at most.

Hayden.
I think on here most on here could pack in on here but IMHO they would be back  its what we  do.
Ronnie.

^^
I'd easily esp if the bookies kick-up a fuss about AC, etc. I'm only doing this to:-

1) Pass the time
2) Something I'd do; it's enjoyable, and productive (mostly).
3) Something to look forward to esp antepost/multiples. The taking part is fun, vindication even better.

I do not bet daily (sometimes not until the weekend) nor the handicap races except prestigious ones eg Ebor as I hate losing
  post effort on studying the form. I do not expect to be paid minimum wage either, just a positive return over a set
  period. But, the time to carry is nearly up, sad to say.

Think you're right ronnie but i'd still go for just a handful , so in effect it's still a high level of addiction be it horses , soccer or fobt

I wouldn’t say any Saturday punter is addicted. It’s a lottery bet to them. Walk out the shop and see how much their pound/fiver could be worth at 5pm.

I still go to the shop a few times a week. I don’t know anybody who ever places bet builders on the in shop terminals. They are busy machines too. Must take a few quid over the week. I’d be surprised if 1% of their footy bets were people doing betbuilders.

I’d guess a lot of us on here are functioning addicts. While we couldn’t or wouldn’t want to stop, it isn’t going to ruin our lives.

Hayden I could pack in tomorrow   but I enjoy  it so why pack in what you enjoy  had great times and bad times.
Hope you are well.
Ronnie.

I'll bow to your knowledge on the builders Ken and shouldn't probably comment on a sport i know absolutely nothing about.

My thinking is always driven by running a business many years ago and making company soccer profits on probably 19 in every 20 weeks , that said though i accept it's a fun sport that has low if any profit expectations.

The betting shop has lost its soul and identity. It's also lost its position as a place to socialise with those not sufficiently friendly to enjoy a meal with in a cafe or at home.

But, it's the next best place after a fast-food joint if caught short.

Impossible.
The first 2 guys in this morning  came for the bog and I don't mean best odds guaranteed.
Ronnie.

I was just about to give an example of how bad a value they are. I thought I’d test it out rather than just guess some numbers. Two 3/1 shots and a 5/1 poke comes out at 110/1. I thought it would be about 80/1. As I said earlier though, they can be related bets, so one thing happening could theoretically make the next thing more unlikely to happen I suppose.

Impossible.
Shop took over 30k otc last week still some good shops left.
Ronnie.

'ronnie rails', hope you're good.

30k is very good. There are some good ones around probably managed by knowledgeable, experienced and old-fashioned managers. When I was a student the 'laddie' in Morden took on average of £19k per week back in the mid-80's. But, it'd been shut since the manager was murdered - single manning - and only found the next morning by the cleaner, I think.

The one next to Ganleys in Morden was popular too when I popped in to watch Shishkin winning The Supreme.

Liverpool vs Sheffield United

BET BUILDER
Liverpool Vs Sheffield United
Bet Builder
Total corners - Over 7.5 (90 mins)
Both teams to score - Yes (90 mins)
Result - Draw (90 mins)
ODDS
13

Or back the draw at 17 with the 0-0 included, and don't worry about the corners.

unbelievable - they need publicly shaming by the Racing Post

Most are bad value I agree ,but occasionally they slip up .Last night 365 offered Alvarez ,Foden over 1 shot on target each plus City to win at 12-1.Thought that was good bet ,was up by 60 odd minutes.Compare that with likelihood of that Liverpool one at 13-1 landing .

There's a big difference between the two examples though Snowy , one is your own personal opinion only vs the other one which is mathematically proven to be poor odds.

In general though soccer punters playing acca's or builders will take any old odds as they're probably the most unsavvy of sports punters.


Good luck today all   

Punter had a score bet builder on  the City Villa game 8 selections
7 win the 8 Harland to score any time does not play
BET VOID.

You're having a laugh ronnie surely. So someone does a 10er accum on 8 gee gees. 7 win and a non runner. And  the crookies void it?????? Where's the common sense. By the way anyone going near any betbuilders is a complete and utter mug. Why do you think the crooks push them.

Slickster.

I Even looked on the  rules on the ssbts this evening if a player does not start a game ALL bets on the bet builder will be Void.
Would love to know what the sleepers are
Ronnie.

Ronnie- what's the % on bet collapses must be 40%

Thanks LC

I remember doing a BB on Paddies some time back, as they were offering a free bet once placed. After it settled they didn't give me my free bet because I had selected one leg that was too short - had to be 1.25 or bigger per leg. My shortest selection (of 4) was at 1.35. When I mentioned that to the CS chat, they said, 'yes, but that price was reduced in the builder as a related bet, so was actually 1.23.

I realised at that point that they actually reduced all the odds so extremely within each BB. For the free bet I eventually highlighted it wasn't advertised that bets shown as 1.35 would be reduced to 1.23, which is a rather odious reduction in value of course. Or, that you had to select with a 'guess' at to how much each price would be reduced to qualify for the free bet. Funnily they don't advertise - 'reduce your value with a betbuilder', as their slogan on this kind of sh1te.

I got the free bet credited. But I've never placed a single BB since then.

The other point I should add, for the reduced bet that was 'related' - it was a bookings bet - the other bets were corners and shots bets and a result bet. How on earth my bookings bet at 1.35 was considered related was a complete mystery.

Good Morning.
Just sat going through  the ssbts from yesterday  plenty  to pay out noted  bets including  750  at 187 on the Chelsea v Man utd over 10.5 corners returns 1402.50p
It's going  to be a long day so enjoying  a nice bowl of porridge. And as its a Friday  our local driver will be dropping  us off a lovely  Chinese  for supper.
Have a good day guys and gals.
Ronnie.

i know a fella who does £5-10  accas on the footy at the weekend and by accas i mean 15 -20 odd teams .......he then goes round showing everyone he knows the betting slip  how much he could "win " IF  they came up ....... jim bowen .....lets have a look at what ya coulda won ! ....needless to say no bfh .

by the way ronnie just out of interest laddies used to do a million bet on the footy at weekends  ,you had to pick several outcomes bit like the betbuilder but if you bgot em all correct the odds were a million to one ..........anyone ever hear if ever one was landed ? cant see it myself .

The Halaand bet builder sounds absolutely ludicrous. Why would any firm want to void bets if one leg is a non runner? There’s no point in sucking people in if you’re gonna return their stake for one void leg. I can’t believe it’s true if I’m being honest.

The o10.5 corners bet isn’t a bet builder any way.

I found that unbelievable as well Kenbo, but I know Ronnie wouldn't be making it up

I'm going into my local baldies shop soon, shall ask them their rules regarding this

Just googled it instead...
Baldies pick your punt bet builder rule 6...
Any player not taking part etc... Bet voided

Would vary I’d guess between bookies. Fred may be a bit more savvy than the Corals and Laddie hierarchy!

I might try a pound in my local Corals and put in a guaranteed non starter!

Sounds a pretty easy way to get a void bet up. For those who bonus abuse. Bet one bet builder get one free. I mean for the first one

Wow. That’s taking stupidity to new levels. It’s so easy to adjust the pay out.

For Soccer Bet Builders which include any player markets, if your specified player does not start the match then selections will be made void and the odds of the Bet Builder will be recalculated for the remaining selections e.g. if your chosen Goalscorer does not play, that selection will be made void and the Bet ...

B365 rules. They aren’t daft. Let the bet run and recalculate the odds. As it should be.

I'm sure the casual punters who go into my social club, who all like a bet builder for an interest in watching the match, are unaware of this rule
Must be loads of sleepers in the shops?

A huge amount. Who’d know you could get five out six selections wrong, one non runner and get your stake back. It’s still something I don’t believe until I see it with my own eyes. Five winners and void I could believe they’d return your stake!!!

Interesting thread.

Have to say i didn't mind betbuilders, my general criteria would be 2 evenly matched teames ie both 7/4 or along that lines, 5 selections, say over 2 goals, 3/4 corners each,3/4 shots on target each, normally about a 3/1/4/1 acca.
It came up often but the 1 leg leaving you down and a free bet was the pull of the bet for me,that concession has been done away with by Paddys and replaced with 'super sub'in top games. That is a major downgrade and since Betbuilders have no appeal now.

I agree with posts saying the true odds in some BB's were a lot more and good that has been pointed out.

With PP's i am fairly sure that only Haalands leg would have been void and the other 7 legs would have run.

Increasing costs on operators = less value for punters = more irresponsible gambling.  Not rocket science

Operators had to increase margins given decline in play from VIPs and AC. So BOG went from most, ruthless cutting of sharp players. Push to Betbuilders and even racing margins increased etc.. Right now Paddy Power just want you to come deposit 50£ weekly and bet that on betbuilders. Its no risk for them for fines from UKGC and for you winning. Betbuilders are just like a long drawn out casino game. Betting or trading as an intellectual or skilled challenge is rapidly declining.

That Liverpool betbuilder with the 13 odds on this thread.
To get that up you're more or less looking @ a score draw.
1-1 ,2-2 & 3-3 were 48s,55s & 140s on here for that game.
Any other draw 540.

You'd think with all the bad value about it would drive more people to the exchange for the better value, but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Most people who gamble are very bad at it.

The exchange is only good value for singles.

In the size most people bet, if the selections aren't taking place at the same time, you can bet them like multiples, and at the same time not be persuaded to cash out at worse odds than the odds you've already taken

When BetVic brought in their version of BetBuilder they had a competition where the biggest odds bet landed each week won £5k with several runners up prizes. I used to sit there for a couple of hours every week putting on several thousand bets covering all possible combinations of match odds, corners, and cards. I think I won the £5k three times plus a few £k in runners up prizes before they pulled the promo.

Nice one jamee
I should imagine less than 1% of people put in little if any effort in researching

That's not to detract from you winning, btw

Fair play to you, Jamee. A bit of thinking outside the box.

beware anything peddled by the bookies on their adverts.

"ahh luv a betbuilder"  no you don't.

don't see too many adverts with "ahh luv a bad each-way double" ....

"ahh luv taking 5/1 at the bookies when it's 5.7 to lay on Betfair" ... nope

From 20 to 35% Margin plus a hat full of sleepers

Another free one from 'sly': Liverpool/Liverpool; both teams to score. The odds is 11/4.

United are woeful but that makes 3-1 to Liverpool the lowest aggregate score.

2-1

Liverpool is a slow starter. I think they've tended to concede a goal most of the time.

3-1!

2-1,that's a ht/ft bet with both to score.

Ahh. Thought that was to win both halves. Not too bad then to win and concede.

That still wouldn’t be the case. ^^

I’m being a bit thick tonight. Liverpool have to be winning at half time, have to concede, also have to win the game.

Yeh,not winning @ h/t the bets dead.

Just got in having  a very nice glass of chilled  Chablis  out of the fridge  that's for you Rico regarding  the sleepers regarding  a player not starting there is one for a pony on the Leeds game today .had a look  through  today  plenty  of sleepers when a player does not start.
Ronnie.