Baltimore bridge collapsed...

Very dramatic pictures
Container ship hits one of the stanchions of 1.5 mile long bridge and whole sections just collapse
Happened at 1.30 am local time so bridge not so much traffic as otherwise may have been, but still workers on the bridge in the water

Cheers reg I’ll have a butcher’s

That looks bad reg

It does indeed, jimnast
Cannot believe whoever was piloting the ship didn't see a great big bridge in the way

But that's not important right now

I should think he will be in trouble

Looked like something I built as a kid with Meccano. Amazing that such a slow speed impact could do that.

Vessel was on emergency power, working intermittently. They had a physics failure as slammed the engines into reverse, which actually had the inverse effect of what they wanted to achieve and pushed the vessel into the bridge. Obviously would have been occurring amidst huge panic, similar to an airline pilot on a plane that has stalled.

Blimey cider that was a quick investigation

Thought Baltimore Bridge was a horse before opening thread.

Very tragic loss of life.

Looks like it's not as bad as the bridge collapse in Portugal about 20 years ago... 3 cars and a bus fell into the river killing 59

Heard a person saying poor bride construction….stood the test of time…wasn’t expecting an out of control 50 thousand ton ship to headbutt ffs

Wouldn't it have been a shame if Just Stop Oil protestors were demonstrating on the bridge at the time.

Mar 26, 2024 -- 12:32PM, Slicer wrote:

Wouldn't it have been a shame if Just Stop Oil protestors were demonstrating on the bridge at the time.

Lol

Hardly funny guys.

press conference on bbc news now..mayday alert stopped most of the bridge traffic..

why not all.

I suppose plenty go through red lights at level crossings before the train comes...but this would have been even more nuts  in this case

sounds like there were six potholes workers on the bridge. Nobody in vehicles although you can see cars falling with the bridge in the video.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1772655744023671138

Lost Control , then it does a 90% Turn and hits probably the Weakest part of the Bridge


Was the Capatain was Roaring BINGO ?

Meanwhile Joe , has made a Speech saying he Knows it well was over it Several times by Car and Train

thats looks very susp..

fair play to the geezer who fell 185 feet into the icy water.  rescued.  need any medical attention ?

nah, i'm good.

Well Dodgy Steve  , Incredible Bad Luck ?

Meanwhile, in Crimea, they're trying to destroy one on purpose...

if thats unadulterated then it looks like its been steered into the bridge support.

What happened? The navigator drunk or something mechanical intervened? It showed how easy it was to destroy a bridge.

JACOB PHILLIPS|JORDAN KING|JOSH SALISBURY
3 HOURS AGO
A cargo ship that crashed into a major US bridge, sending people and vehicles plunging into the river below, lost power and issued a mayday call just moments before.

Crew on board the vessel managed to stop the flow of traffic by the Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore saving lives in “a very heroic way,” Maryland’s governor Wes Moore said.

He explained: “By being able to stop cars from coming over the bridge these people are heroes. They saved lives last night.”

The ship struck the bridge at roughly 1.30am on Tuesday.

Dramatic footage of the incident shows the boat ramming into the bridge. Within 30 seconds the structure had almost entirely collapsed.

Mr Moore told reporters there are six people are being searched for in the water. The individuals are believed to be part of a group who were fixing potholes on the bridge when the crash happened.

Chief of Baltimore’s fire department James Wallace previously told reporters two people had also been rescued from the water with one person in a “very serious condition”.

Holy Moly no Maguire? I cannot believe it. Maguire has been Mr Southgate's shadow.

??

Insurance company not to happy

It collapsed like a lego/meccano toy.  Poor dead workers.  Right out of the blue widows are made!
Tragic.

https://twitter.com/UScrimeReview/status/1772697067707683156

Legalman
@UScrimeReview
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This confirms who was actually behind the "event".  Less than one day and the govt is saying it was "an accident" and now the Feds are going to pay for the ENTIRE thing?? What about insurance? or the shipping Co.? Why? Because this will eliminate ANY actual investigation guys.

Apology for post 19:10.

The bridge collapsed so easily once the main foundation was no more; down it came without any hesitation. This is a wake-up call to those concerned with bridge security everywhere. So sorry for those who perished unexpectedly at work or at the wrong place at the wrong time.

A lesson learnt is a lesson gained, I hope.

GEORGE.B demonstrating what a gullible stooge he is once more.

Thanks for the kind words, dave666

Did you carry out your own investigation, and just got back home from Baltimore to look on the betfair forum to see what I'd been posting?

You're f*cking obsessed with me ya creepy f*cker.

Rico, there are people on this thread actually giving an opinion that it looks dodgy.

I haven't, only posted an interesting tweet about why the fed govt might be going to pay to have it rebuilt rather than the ship co / insurance.

But Dave666 doesn't see anyone else's posts because he is f*cking obsessed with me, the creepy f*cker.

the corporate jab pusher calling someone else a stooge

i believe nothing wotsoever george..this planet is just a cesspit of lies and corruption..

but,the twatter video loks very iffy if it hasnt been altered.

Rico, people should be questioning everything the state and their media puppets tell us, but Dave666 has never seen an official narrative he didn't like the look of.

dave1357 15 Mar 21 17:00
"If another country refuses to let you enter unless you are vaccinated, that it their right.  probably a good way to keep out the riff-raff."

Examine this post carefully from the corporate drug pusher, stooge and labeller that is dave666, a not-so-thinly veiled: the unjabbed are "riff raff".

Hey Dave, what happened to the AZ vaccines, how many did they kill and maim?

How do you sleep at night you evil c*nt?

You are an utterly sad pr1ck - spending your life following conspiritards on twatter and running pretendee bet threads that are only profitable because of dodgy ew terms and bog, both of which wouldn't be available in the real world.

dave1357 15 Mar 21 17:46 
it is a lol tho that the same ppl who have been decrying masks and staying at home are scared witless about getting vaccinated.

the corporate drug pusher, stooge and labeller that is dave666.

"Safe and effective", Dave?

dave1357 27 Mar 24 22:39 
You are an utterly sad pr1ck - spending your life following conspiritards on twatter and running pretendee bet threads that are only profitable because of dodgy ew terms and bog, both of which wouldn't be available in the real world.

So long as I didn't try to shame people into having an experimental and potentially dangerous potion injected into them, that's the main thing.

Hey dave666, do you know of anyone on here who actually did that?

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dave1357 15 Mar 21 18:11 
Yup the stats actually seem to indicate that the AZ vaccine prevents blood clots.

And to be fair, if that weren't the case, the AZ jab would have been quietly withdrawn...

Oh hang on...

dave1357 15 Mar 21 18:17 
^^And I like trolling anti-vaxxers as they almost all hold disgusting/idiotic views about everything.

Oh dear.

This one's for you dave666

https://twitter.com/TheEyes2022/status/1693980268749557894

GEORGE.B • March 27, 2024 9:50 PM GMT
Thanks for the kind words, dave666

Did you carry out your own investigation, and just got back home from Baltimore to look on the betfair forum to see what I'd been posting?

You're f*cking obsessed with me ya creepy f*cker

So GEORGE.B actually bookmarks quotes from me, so he can post them out of context and I'm the creepy one?

Now let's get back to his post about Baltimore, the one that I criticised and led to the above.



This confirms who was actually behind the "event".  Less than one day and the govt is saying it was "an accident" and now the Feds are going to pay for the ENTIRE thing?? What about insurance? or the shipping Co.? Why? Because this will eliminate ANY actual investigation guys.

So GEORGE.B thinks that an electioneering Biden saying that the federal government should pay for the repairs/new bridge is evidence of a cover-up and conspiracy and there won't be an investigation and insurance companies won't pay out.

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would realise that this was a preposterous proposition. So given that, GEORGE.B is either simply a liar or is paranoid to the point of insanity and sees conspiracies everywhere. You also have to ask yourself what kind of sad man is actually reading and reposting twitter material from "UScrimeReview".

The point is anything they say should be questioned imo, and that is what the poster was doing in response to the clip of Biden reading from his teleprompter, asking perfectly reasonable questions because unlike you he's not a stooge for official narratives.

On this thread there are people who have given an opinion that it looks dodgy.

But you didn't reference their posts, only mine. Why? because you are a creepy f*cker who is f*cking obsessed with me.

The posts from 2021 expose you for what you are, someone who thinks they know it all but time has shown that you know f*ck all, a dangerous idiot.

dave1357 15 Mar 21 18:11
Yup the stats actually seem to indicate that the AZ vaccine prevents blood clots.

dave1357 02 Jul 20 22:45
It will hit 3m cases early next week.

dave666 pushing the fear porn on the betfair forum in 2020.

Of course what this dangerous idiot didn't point out is that a "case" meant a positive dodgy PCR test. How many amplifications in the testing process at that point, dave666, over 40?

Four years after lockdown and threads are still being hijacked by the covid debacle.

George- they all did a great job, over 90% had a jab in UK, glad to say I'm not in that over subscribed club.

You can keep quoting my posts out of context from a different thread about a different subjext, to try and deflect from your idiocy on this thread.

On this thread there are people who have given an opinion that it looks dodgy.

But you didn't reference their posts, only mine.


You are the only one in this thread that made the idiotic claim that there won't be an investigation and that there would be no insurance paid and that "This confirms who was actually behind the "event"."

I haven't made any claims, dave666.

I posted a tweet that was in response to what Biden had been told to say, asking perfectly reasonable questions. The guy then gave an opinion, time will show if he's right or not.

time will show if he's right or not.


Baltimore bridge collapse likely to result in multibillion-dollar insurance claims -Lloyd's of London

https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/lloyds-london-sees-multi-billion-dollar-insurance-loss-baltimore-bridge-collapse-2024-03-28/


Reinsurers to bear the bulk of insured cost of Baltimore bridge collapse, says AM Best

https://www.reinsurancene.ws/reinsurers-to-bear-the-bulk-of-insured-cost-of-baltimore-bridge-collapse-says-am-best/

that wasn't much time

The exact quote from Biden:

"It is my intention that the federal government will pay for the entire cost of reconstructing that bridge, and I expect the Congress to support my effort"

This is what the tweeter is responding to, and if you bothered to watch the clip, one of the reporters at the press conference had also asked why the shipping company isn't being held responsible, in response to what Biden had said about the govt paying.

Biden's response was that they're not going to wait for that.

So it was a perfectly reasonable tweet to re-post.

"Baltimore bridge collapse likely to result in multibillion-dollar insurance claims -Lloyd's of London"

So not a given then?

well obv insurance cos will try to welch, it's what they do.

Biden is electioneering - what do you think he's going to say? "Well, we'll have to wait till we see how the claim works out"

Anyway the tone of your reposted tweet, that you obviously agreed with, was a cover-up. There wouldn't be an investigation because the govt was paying for rebuild. Which is obviously idiotic and conspiracy led This confirms who was actually behind the "event"

Wrong again, it was the poster's opinion but in the context of Biden immediately saying that the govt would pay for reconstruction, and also people on this thread saying they thought it looked dodgy, so the tweeter is not alone in having suspicions.

Rico-Dangleflaps 26 Mar 24 18:11 
thats looks very susp..

casemoney 26 Mar 24 18:24 
Well Dodgy Steve  , Incredible Bad Luck ?


dave666 responds:

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

as ive previously stated,i believe fck all i see or read in this cesspit of a planet we call earth.
the twitter link that showed the ships path... https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status/1772655744023671138? looks susp 'if' its genuine.. how does a ship thats apparently 'lost power' manage to do a 70 ish degree turn into the bridge structure ?.

Rico, there's a strong anti-Chinese narrative at the moment in the mainstream, so I'm not ruling out any 'investigation' concluding it was a Chinese hack.

https://twitter.com/dangitman50/status/1772671559351640272

this explains it better..mebbe just a bad angle accentuates what we see that starts the conspiracy.

Rico as it looks like they managed to restore the power, and put the engines in reverse. But the vessel was still moving forward. Reversing pushes the back in the opposite direction, but it was still moving forward due to momentum. As we all know, if you reverse a car and steer left the front will turn to the right. Only in this case it's on water so still moving forward whilst the engines were reversing.

As with so many of these accidents, most likely a series of freak events leading up to a one in a million outcome.

billion surely

I was trying to apply perspective to the true odds. Actually accidents due to a freak series of circumstances occur more often than we might think.

No shipping expert but the 70 degree turn could of been the dropped anchor by the captain in last ditch attempt to avoid the bridge.

Why is everything in this world turned into a conspiracy  theory ?

Well done Cider btw for attempting  to bring some sanity.

Simple Glasgow- governments lie too much these days so you have to do your own research!! We didn't know how lucky we were when a breaking news from the bbc were 100% accurate, 40 years ago now though

Why would i want to research anything, i saw the bridge footage on TV, if it was anymore than a tragic accident i will stop posting on here and donate £500 to a charity of your choice, Happy  " Researching "

Spot on, Glasgow.

The world has gone mad Kenbo, take the full page headline of the Daily Mirror Today reminding us all its the 1st anniversary of the death of Paul o Grady.    FFS.

Calm down Glasgow, sorry for offending the BBC btw they should scrap license they not fit for purpose anymore.

I didn't say it wasn't an accident, read the whole thread, as for your donation just give it Gary I'm sure he deserves it.

howard Joined: 09 Mar 03
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sounds like there were six potholes workers on the bridge. Nobody in vehicles although you can see cars falling with the bridge in the video.


2 bodies recovered from inside a car.

Suspect looking at the video the "accident" could have been caused by fuel contamination which if true means somebody has messed up be it the bunkering facility, crew maintenance, fuels being put in the wrong holding tank etc. 

At the time of the incident the port authority pilot would have been in charge of the vessel and all decisions would have been his call.

Ultimately there is always human input to every accident

trevor, are you the man who runs the speed awareness course? He says that!

No bud have a degree in marine system technology

Fuel contamination you say, could you elobarate, likely  engine size?? , it's fuel delivery system, fuel filters and associated warning light system ect?

Also could you elobarate on the steering system it's assisted systems, it's hydrolics, there power sources and back up systems.

Cheers trev, at last a free thinker arrives, or maybe you just picked it up from the same story doing rounds in media and know sfa.

Go on elaborate,

And what about aux power and why it went out? Go on impress me.

Maybe someone could  add ship displacement,channel depth,ship/ bridge height, tide state , wind speed ect...

The NTSB released a preliminary timeline of events from the ship's VDR and the Maryland Transportation Authority Police (MDTA) Police log.[51][64] [67] All times are EDT on March 26, 2024. (This timeline is subject to change as findings are made on the multiple electrical failures and other events.)

Time    Event
00:39    Dali departs Seagirt Marine Terminal.
01:07    Dali enters Fort McHenry Channel.
01:24    Dali underway at a heading of ~141° at ~8 knots (9.2 mph; 15 km/h).
01:24:59    Multiple audible alarms; first power outage; VDR ceases recording.
01:25:31    Backup power.
TBD    Verbal rudder commands are recorded.
01:26:02    VDR resumes recording of ship systems.
01:26:39    Pilot requests return of tugboats.
TBD    Pilot association dispatcher informs the MDTA duty officer of Dali's lack of steering.
01:27:53    MDTA duty officer dispatches units to close the bridge.
01:27:04    Pilot commands that port anchor be dropped; issues additional steering commands.
01:27:25    Mayday: Pilot reports total blackout and that Dali was approaching the bridge.
01:29:00    Dali at 7 knots (8.1 mph; 13 km/h) dragging anchor; first sounds of collision recorded.
01:29:27    Collapse of bridge reported.
01:29:33    Sounds of collapse cease.
01:29:51    All vehicular approaches to the bridge reported shut down.

Morning Reg i shall do my best

I hadn't seen the report you mention, just discussed with a couple colleagues.

Generally these our slow speed diesel engines that operate in a range of 1500 to 2500 rpm, as you would expect these engines are enormous bores of 1.5m+ and strokes of 3m+, there are various holding tanks with filters in line that deliver the fuel to the engines. During the combustion process grey and black water can also be injected into the cylinder which helps the temp of the burn which adds efficiency and helps with SOX and NOX emissions.

These engines are the life of the vessel no engines no power its really that simple, you will often see on the news vessels losing power from main engines and wallowing around frantically trying to restart or awaiting rescue/salvage.

For sure all fuel will have been sent for analysis and maintenance and engine room logs examined.

Having read the timeline can see the recommendation coming that all vessels have to have a tug escort until they pass the bridge in future.

Doubtful it was contaminated fuel as it would be detected……samples are taken from each fuel delivery one for the ship and one for the carrier……

Most ships have alarm systems that detect water in the fuel supply,water etc…plus the engine would cut out..

Most of them now run on high sulphur marine gas oil (red diesel)…..not danger it was wrong fuel…..

Speaking of collapses, anyone know what might be causing this?

https://twitter.com/CartlandDavid/status/1774145463559598591

I think it might be down to climate change

Container ship Mpg thread never got the airing it deserved on chit chat, but yea it's a big engine, massive consumption, tons of fuel per hour.
Fuel filters the size of wheelie bins imo, contamination would quickly be a problem, water separator systems will be very effiecent as condensation will be a big issue not to mention possible ingress.
Multiple fuel tanks and lines ect ect ect.

It's as sayed unlikely imo. Although without knowing the exact configuration of fuel system it's impossible to say but if that was problem it would be a lot of contamination and the fact the engines did restart its prob not the cause but as you say big accidents are usually a combination of events.

And as you say trev never underestimate human input side, we have an uncanny ability to be the pretty stupid at times.

Funny that exhaust  emmisions have been mentioned by you as ship pollution is a really hot subject at the mo,I wonder if that is a factor here, with engines running in extra clean mode when in port with exhaust gas regeneration ect being in play.
Only thing I can see off the scant info available is that the rules say two port pilots must be in charge of ship when navigating in/out of harbour, must be a lot of diff ships and their ystems to learn and in this instance it appears an apprentice was one of the two, not sure if thats unusual or not.

The ship in question is a Panamamax type it's width, length and displacement set by the restrictions of the canal, so must be a lot of compromises, once fully loaded with 5k containers prob not got much manoeuvrability at best of times.

Time will reveal all (hopefully) rip the dead, the bridge /ship  can be repaired.

Easter Wishes.

george,could all be telekinesis sent by Uri Gellar.

Piece from a couple of days ago

https://maritime-executive.com/article/report-fuel-loaded-on-dali-in-new-york-before-accident-met-specs