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seaside
17 Mar 24 13:41
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An interesting clip from back in the day of a pro gambler going racing in 1981 was filmed at Newton Abbott.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c07SULO73A&ab_channel=HorseRacingHQ

Enjoy

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By:
doorman99
When: 17 Mar 24 14:56
Seaside, you are a star, great stuff, thanks for this.
By:
saxon farm
When: 17 Mar 24 15:35
Thoroughly enjoyable, thanks for posting!
By:
Manoleeds
When: 17 Mar 24 16:19
No big screens, betting tax, bookies asking how much you want after a win and bookies betting in running . Don't recall seeing the last happening in recent years -does it still happen?
By:
HappyHibby
When: 17 Mar 24 16:27
i was expecting Robin Askwith to appear at some stage with some scantily clad lassie and for the pair of them to be at it like bunny rabbits for the next 30 seconds tbh.
By:
HappyHibby
When: 17 Mar 24 16:27
Confessions of a Pro-Punter...
By:
Regbutler
When: 17 Mar 24 16:33
Manoleeds , last time I bet in running with a bookie at the track was about 10 years ago at Chepstow with about a circuit to go
It was with Andy Smith and I assumed he had an eye on BF market

It won of course, otherwise I wouldn't be telling you!
By:
toplay
When: 17 Mar 24 20:27
I enjoyed that thanks.
By:
seaside
When: 17 Mar 24 22:03
Thought some of you would like it I was wondering if the guy is still around

Had loads of bets with the bookie over the years nice guy.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 17 Mar 24 22:25
seaside, I posted a snippet of this a while back, so thanks for posting the whole thing.

There were some good and interesting posts on the thread, including one from ged about Alan's life.

I'll bring the thread back up for you - it's called Any old-time pro gamblers looking in?
By:
Storm Alert
When: 18 Mar 24 10:13
Cheers, Seaside and George, both threads interesting. Great video to watch. 1981 was the first time I went racing to Ascot in April for a NH meeting. I remember watching Pay Related win the last and sure Spartan Missile ran on the same card and got beat (so soon after his GN exploits). I would love to be able to read through the card or even see the results from that day if they still exist.

Back to the Newton Abbot video, it surprised me just how much racing has transformed over the years, it really does look like a bygone age and reminded me how much more of an edge there was if you put the hours watching races vs all the instance analysis  available nowadays. I'm now watching the Phil Bull Founder of Timeform video again, I had forgotten how good it is.
By:
ged
When: 18 Mar 24 10:40
Storm Alert - yes, Spartan Missile ran on that card, just 11 days after his Aintree 2nd. He was beaten 20 lengths into 2nd by Roadhead over 2.5 miles, but broke down badly in doing so. Pay Related won the last, but was lucky to do so, as the Webber mare Meneblends was clear when taking a fatal fall at the last. Other winners were High Old Time (beat Kintbury, Meistersinger and Walnut Wonder), Abbey Brig, Prayukta and Farmer. Prayukta was ridden by John Francome, who was friendly with Alan and Cynthia Argeband, and played tennis with them. Spartan Missile had to spend 3 months in his box after his injury, but recovered to run again, though not for John Thorne, who died after a ptp fall the following March.
By:
geoff m
When: 18 Mar 24 12:07
How spooky is this. : Watched this last night as it was on my you tube TV   video feed .Ive never seen it before in my life. Enjoyable watch.
By:
N-east Correspondent
When: 18 Mar 24 12:17
Unfortunately Alan A died a few years ago now (late 2017 early 2018) - the snippett below is from David Pipe website dated 25th Jan 2018

"I was watching the action on the all-weather from Lingfield yesterday afternoon and there was a poignant success when Ay Ay won the 1m2f handicap.  He was named after a good friend of Martin and myself; Alan Argeband who passed away recently.  Alan was a great mate of Harry Redknapp, in fact Alan took us all out for dinner at Rick Stein's for a meal not that long ago.  He was a tremendous racing character and is still very much missed."

real old school pro-gambler by the looks of things, his emotions didnt really change win or lose (ok a bit happier when he won) but he obv knew what he was doing

very interesting clip Seaside thanks for posting
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Mar 24 12:26
going through the pages on google around pro gamblers,saw a JP headline about an interview saying if he backed a loser ,he didnt have another bet for 2 weeks,does anyone believe if JP backed his fancied horse in the  supreme looked like winning after last,he never had another bet and missed out on 4/5 winners at chelt including 2 that were smashed in the  betting, LaughLaughLaugh
By:
ladycarla
When: 18 Mar 24 14:09
Thanks for posting good watch.
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Mar 24 14:11
sorry to ask again,but how do you open the clip ?
By:
sparrow
When: 18 Mar 24 14:16
Some proper punting there and thanks for posting, seaside.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 18 Mar 24 14:30
1st time, either copy and paste the link into your browser, or go to youtube.com and type

Professional Gambler Mr Alan Argeband & Bookmaker Mr Harry Me

into the search engine then press enter
By:
Storm Alert
When: 18 Mar 24 16:06
Thanks ged appreciate the info I still remember the racing that day, being my first live meeting.
By:
jamee1
When: 18 Mar 24 18:24
I watched the whole thing, and he didn't need to provide even one single bank statement!

Why, back then, were affordability checks not in place for his own protection?
By:
Brian
When: 18 Mar 24 22:54
Great watch for us nostalgic types.
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 19 Mar 24 00:03
Great stuff. The general feeling I get from watching these old clips is that going Horse Racing back then was ALL about the Racing & Punting and nothing else.....the way it should be.
By:
1st time poster
When: 19 Mar 24 15:23
good watch nothing changes with punters  plenty of **** getting spoken
loses £200 on 1st bet,wins £100 on 2nd bet and says he,s price of petrol down on day, £100 bought you a lot of petrol in those days ,where did he drive  to newton abbot from, the shetlands LaughLaughLaugh
By:
formoftheace
When: 19 Mar 24 15:39
Laugh
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 19 Mar 24 15:47
Special Cargo - if he picks up the bit he'll be all right..

Wonder if Alan got on in-running when SC looked a 66 shot for the Whitbread at the Pond Fence? Grin
By:
1st time poster
When: 19 Mar 24 15:58
was thinking that soft ground at newton abbot,but was a whitbread specialist on faster ground,diamond edge,iettoch in the pink hearts great dats for the whitbread
By:
1st time poster
When: 19 Mar 24 16:02
SOZZ, lettoch wasnt the love hearts getting mixed up with PLUNDERING
By:
1st time poster
When: 19 Mar 24 16:07
not sure you,ll get rich or good adivce certainly in todays punting world to advise people to back horses falling down the handicap,as he found out majority are falling for a reason
By:
jimnast
When: 22 Mar 24 09:07
Watched it this morning he approached the bookie bevan and asked what price the horse he backed in the last bevan replies 10/1 Alan says it’s 11 on the back ,ok Alan you can have 11s thank you I’ll have a 500 to 55 please that’s a bet

Horse won so it didn’t matter
By:
ribero1
When: 22 Mar 24 09:32
Yes Jimnast spotted that,it was obviously somewhat staged but still a lovely reminder of those days.
By:
ambush
When: 22 Mar 24 09:48
theres a bbccoverage of the 19994 3rd day of the festival on youtube,its an enjoyable watch.its all about the form of all the horses. no interviews pre race,there was a stewards enquiry in the stayers and they were giving prices on the enquiry from the betting ring. good watch.just shows how far away tv coverage of acyual racing events has gone.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 22 Mar 24 09:53
Not so good on my fractions, but surely 500/55 is under 10/1. ?
By:
ronnie rails
When: 22 Mar 24 09:55
Ambush.
We're they owned by the same guy and may I ask did the books get ir correct.
Have a good day.
Ronnie.
By:
ribero1
When: 22 Mar 24 10:02
Correct Glasgow 9/1.
By:
ronnie rails
When: 22 Mar 24 10:08
9/1 My favourite  racing slang in the shop box of chocolates.
By:
ronnie rails
When: 22 Mar 24 10:10
Before  anyone  asks after 8
Have a good day.
By:
ambush
When: 22 Mar 24 10:12
avro anson  was first past the post in the stayers ronnie, balasani got it in the stewards room, pipe trained the promoted winner, he was 1to 4 to get it, the excellent graham rock was reporting.at the time it was a 3 day festival with stayers 2nd race on the card, coverage was excellent, i suppose the down side was there were oly 4 races covered each day anf you had to change channel to see race 4, daily express was 30 runner event . mind you mysilv was 2 to 1 fav and won easily,
By:
ambush
When: 22 Mar 24 10:17
funny that year pridwell finished 2nd in the supreme and 2 days later ran better than his finishing position of 7 TH IN THE TRIUMPH.
By:
ronnie rails
When: 22 Mar 24 10:19
Ambush.
Thanks for taking time to reply  it was not the race I was thinking  of can anybody  help me out was it crimson  embers  think everyone  thought  it was the wrong result.
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