1-2-3-4-5 Willie Mullins

there's some amount of bs on here

its isnt the dominance,its a so called professional trainer like PAULING spending 6 months deluding himself he,s got,training a possible worldie 7 days a week,when he,s 4 stone inferior to mullins 50 to 1 shots,what does that make the worst horses in PAULINGS yard ?

Mar 13, 2024 -- 3:12PM, casemoney wrote:

So we are all annoyed because they are Irish Horses  WTF ?

I didn't say ALL, but some yeah.

Mar 13, 2024 -- 3:12PM, casemoney wrote:

So we are all annoyed because they are Irish Horses  WTF ?

I think from the one trainer. If it was a battle between Mullins, Bromhead and Elliot going to the last I think there would be much less complaining !

How do you make that out MJK ? Irish horses have always Ran over here , The whole thing of the Irish taking Part makes the Meeting FFS

No one likes uncompetitive in sport.

Nowt to do with Mullins or being Irish.

Everyone wants to be surprised or take pride in working out the puzzle. This has become what Mullins horse will win because it’s one stable

its what made it great case

best of british meeting best of irish

2  orses looking like they may win in certain races would make a Difference IMVHO

Who is angry, MJK?

I've observed on here on numerous occasions, it's nearly always Irish posters obsessing about where horses are domiciled. Most people don't care. Only one Irish trainer had runners in that race. 5 out of 7 and the others were 20+ shots. Hardly appealing to anyone.

He could conceivably do it again in the bumper.  Indeed, it had already occurred to me that he might, I never even considered this race.

Couldn't care less if every runner was Irish as long as it had some competition.Its less to do with the paucity of English competition and more about one yard's domination. You can appreciate it whenthey are championship races, but it robs the spectacle of an important dimension. Away from the Grade 1s Almost every novice in Ireland has an odds on favourite from the same place that can't sensibly be opposed unless you're just chancing your arm.

how can you be a proffesional trainer like PAULING for example ,so supposedly no your horses/advising people on buying horses ,when you think your training grade one horse.s but if you went in mullins yard you,d literally see 200 hurdlers/bumper,s 2 stones and more better than your best,its like not been able to tell difference between a LADA and a formulea one racing car,unless something else is at play

Agree with MJK , if it was Cecil dominating in this fashion the forum fawning would be unbearable , many followers of the sport have a huge problem with the fact that their country is currently a distance behind the top of the tree.

Keep it coming until the others make a concerted effort to catch up , lowering the bar by penalising is never the answer.

I agree with you and well observed/pointed out.  The distinction is a good one.

Mar 13, 2024 -- 3:14PM, casemoney wrote:

How do you make that out MJK ? Irish horses have always Ran over here , The whole thing of the Irish taking Part makes the Meeting FFS

As I said not ALL, but some. Not everyone feels the way you do, you only have to look at the same posters who complain about Irish runners in UK handicaps, Elliott running multiples in the National etc. As I said anyone who complains about Mullins should point the finger at UK trainers, not at Mullins himself who's trying to do his job ie win as many races as possible for his owners.

No one likes uncompetitive in sport.

Nowt to do with Mullins or being Irish.

Everyone wants to be surprised or take pride in working out the puzzle. This has become what Mullins horse will win because it’s one stable

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1000% agree TONY.

Any sport needs competition. My interest in racing was drawn by the 2005 Champion Hurdle and to me racing seemed a phenomenal sport with history. Talent spread out amongst plenty of trainers and whilst there could be a certain domination, it would be by a horse rather than a whole stable.

I know people who have followed racing 50+ years whose interest has been killed off by this total domination by a tiny number of trainers.

This domination doesn't add up imho. Theres a stench off it and I am Irish btw.

Cheltenham btw with this domination has become turgid.

Willie is in a League of His own ,Untouchable

OK if you can get on at Evens with 365

I know people who have followed racing 50+ years whose interest has been killed off by this total domination by a tiny number of trainers.

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spot on RQ.

RTV do keep going on about English horses not doing well. It's tedious to listen to. Nicholls is the best UK trainer by a distance and doesn't obsess about winning at the festival. Or indeed, doing well in novice hurdles. & everyone knows what has happened to Hendo this year.

Racing is simply dying. This is just another reason in a long list.

cut to 24 races 6 per day...cull the 2 mid dist novice races, mares novice & ryanair
remaining mares races convert to hcaps with ratings ceiling
x-country becomes open hcap with qualification needed @ pre xmas fixtures
national hunt chase reverts to 4m & has ratings ceiling

all of that is urgently needed

then if you want to look after the long term health of the sport
its 1 horse max per trainer & owner in each race...as per ownership on october 1st to avoid them working around it

It reminds me of Tiger Woods in his peak. Its literally like the others give up before the start even. You can see the other jockeys are just gifting Mullins horses any position they want. And just tentatively trying more in hope than anything else. Hopefully this raises standards but i wouldnt count on it

Mar 13, 2024 -- 3:21PM, Racingqueen wrote:

Any sport needs competition. My interest in racing was drawn by the 2005 Champion Hurdle and to me racing seemed a phenomenal sport with history. Talent spread out amongst plenty of trainers and whilst there could be a certain domination, it would be by a horse rather than a whole stable.I know people who have followed racing 50+ years whose interest has been killed off by this total domination by a tiny number of trainers.This domination doesn't add up imho. Theres a stench off it and I am Irish btw.Cheltenham btw with this domination has become turgid.

a great era where horses from different stables all turned up to every gig
brave inca, macs joy, harchibald, hardy eustace, al eile etc

you'll note all irish trained & nobody complained
in fact I loved it

Racing is simply dying. This is just another reason in a long list.

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correct 6699.

Agree with MJK , if it was Cecil dominating in this fashion the forum fawning would be unbearable , many followers of the sport have a huge problem with the fact that their country is currently a distance behind the top of the tree.


Weird post. You think if Cecil had had 5 runners out of 7 in the Dewhurst, won it with the long odds on one and the other two were rags, people would be fawning over him because he was English

What a difference two decades makes...

https://www.racingpost.com/results/2004-03-16
https://www.racingpost.com/results/2004-03-17
https://www.racingpost.com/results/2004-03-18

Large fields, large spread of winning SP's, large spread of winning trainers.

Ans just the one winner for W P.  What changed?

Last three day festival as well!!

Willie can;t help it if every owner of a good one wants him to train it.
For me he is a phenomenon of the modern age.

It's just an example cider of comparing a well loved against someone who is just respected at best.

certainly for a while 4 days did work imo, certainly with 24 races
x-country was a hcap, NH chase 4m lower standard of horse etc

but the tinkering & additions in recent times...absolutely not

Where are the Dorans Pride's nowadays?

It's just an example cider of comparing a well loved against someone who is just respected at best.


Just a sign of the times and the internet era.

unless you think HANDSTAND for example wouldnt be beaten a distance by those horses if trained in ire/mullins etc, dont see it matters where or who trains the horses

Where are the Dorans Pride's nowadays?

In the Mullins yard!

fUn

The great Henry Cecil wasn't always "well loved".  Indeed, in the early days - if I recall accurately -  he was resented quite a bit by old timers who had been very loyal to Sir Noel.  He went on to prove himself and other circs. attracted our goodwill and affection.
I admire Willie Mullins just as much for his always effortless courtesy as well as his brilliance as a racehorse trainer.  The A.P.'s of this world clearly hold him in affection and I am sure the racing public will too, eventually.

pumpkins pulled up,1st beat another goose pretending to be a swan

that was a Good race to Watch , I think its the Hurdles that are boring TBH

Jack needed a Parachute on Mike

that was a Good race to Watch , I think its the Hurdles that are boring TBH

Jack needed a Parachute on Mike

just started looking @ hexham tomorrow

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Are we suggesting that there is a nobbling of the British based horses?

There is dominance, but it never seems to be at any other meeting than this one!

They are leg less against the Irish from a mile out. Every year it seems the same?

It’s very strange

Hexham,watch all the Pit Ponies run,they are compared to the Irish

The English Top Trained are Just dreadful , They are not taking part Thus Far

I always wonder at Hexham if, when the jock and horse jump through the hedged archways of a a fence, that one will reappear without the other!

Exactly Case. They're not bad at mopping up uncompetitive races at the gaff tracks with their 6 figure priced beasts though......

that happened a couple of seasons back loyal

craig nichol ridden horse iirc

I didn't know that.  Thanks.  Hopefully the jock was ok.  I can't help but laugh at the thought though.

I don't care if the trainers are Irish,British, straight, gay or Australian. It's the total lack of

competition that's the problem

Fabiolo wins Books will be stretchered Out There is always a positive

I don't care if the trainers are Irish,British, straight, gay or Australian. It's the total lack of

competition that's the problem

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correct rog.

It's not that long ago that Nicholls and Walsh were cleaning up everything, I doubt anyone would claim Nicholls has ever been 'loved'.

Lack of competition is due to the English horses not being good enough,lack of good quality horses running at our courses.The form figures look good but they are running in Sub Standard stuff.

There's always one unbeatable hot-pot goes down.
Isn;t there? 

Not about English and Irish, it's about Mullins and everybody else.

Nicholls never been loved for sure and probably never will be , hence the constant Pumpkin reference.

Or the Pipe and Scud domination. It's nonsense really, Irish tend to have a siege mentality. And I'm Irish

It's a bit like the F1 on a day like today

You want battles and unknowns and variety

Even if Mullins wins 2/3 on the day you want him to be up against some real brutal competition

the issue for remaining of this year and next year is all these good things from this year will all avoid each other to benefit Mullins.

This is true of all spectacles and sport really. You want teams to be pushed and results to be in doubt until as late as possible in general. Obviously a few brutal wins like Ballyburn are always fine too

wow!

He could go through the card today

on formbook through giovinto,stay away fay should have been a close up 2nd and given winner a race  there,if trainers/jocks cant get horses to produce best at chelt,time to give it up

the scary thing is he's missing quite a few that would have been in the mix

To be fair the UK runners are dominating at Huntingdon

English horse won the race at Huntingdon

This is what happens when British racing doesnt make it about the improvement of the Horse, but only about greed and profit.

Mr. W.Mullins is a Genius pure simple

And Mullins horses all look like they have plenty in the tank too.

pumpkin's "dominance" of cheltenham, 48 winners in 25 years, max in any 1 year was 5 in 2009...just isn't comparable to this

He is not scared to run them in good races in Ireland against each other,unlike here keeping them in the stables to look after them.

I know all these horses were short prices, but some look like they are just in 2nd gear. Its quite incredible the fitness of Mullins runners.

mullins 2,3 and 4th so basically mullins tossed the supreme away yesterday 

pumpkin's "dominance" of cheltenham, 48 winners in 25 years, max in any 1 year was 5 in 2009...just isn't comparable to this


There's nothing quite comparable to Mullins. But as everyone knows, the festival races have been watered down giving far more options to the yard with the strongest hand to play.

why is mullins so good? most of his best horses are french-bred he must have good connections over there

this PAULING fav at hunt cost £350,000 and just seen the stable worldie beat a distance by the mullins rags at chelters

£350,000 gets you a well beaten 3rd in the aways at hunt , must see these owners coming over the hill

1st time poster • March 13, 2024 3:06 PM GMT
mullins 2,3 and 4th so basically mullins tossed the supreme away yesterday

supreme winner would have ran today if ballyburn ran yesterday

yep didnt factor that in

we,d have probably learned more that way round

f00kin finally

highlight of the week the filth e/w cops

TAP dec knew

The elephant in the room ?

Dope testing in Ire is dire.
If they're forced to,only the small trainers are held accountable.

The big guys,are untouchable: WHY?

Because it would destroy the sport,and in Ireland it's a relatively big industry,compared to the UK.

So we carry on with lame excuses like "buying good horses" etc when anyone can go to France with a big cheque book.

Exactly.  "anyone"!  He and his owners do it, so why don;t others.  They have the same chance.

@LoyalHoncho

There are plenty of French imports in this country;they'e also got the latest facilities;I can't imagine the training  skills have vastly improved in Ireland.

So what is the missing factor?

https://businessplus.ie/news/luke-comer-horses/

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/apr/05/willie-mullins-exonerated-irish-horse-racing-officials-vet-drugs-bust

Just to be clear I'm against doping everywhere.

Thats a bit shortsighted mrspock. Going with your logic any old gob$hite could train the sales toppers to win Champion hurldes

Maybe Mullins agents have a better "eye" for the potentially good horses. maybe he has better riders,feed, ability to spot issues. Or this is just a phase and he's getting lucky ... lot of factors.

But even if it is down to doping, i'm fairly sure the brits are testing the bejaysus out of all his horses so thats an unlikely scenario.

Top trainer,Some can't even get 'em there.

Mar 13, 2024 -- 10:12PM, mrspock wrote:

Just to be clear I'm against doping everywhere.

I've no idea if these horses are doped but I would love to know what happens to them in the time between getting bought and actually arriving at the Mullins yard. People will assume they get moved to Mullins' straight away, which isn't the case. In most cases there's a 3-4 month period in between where they disappear somewhere. To quote what I was told most arrive at the yard 'looking like beasts'.

i'm fairly sure the brits are testing the bejaysus out of all his horses so thats an unlikely scenario.

unlikely drug testing in racing is half-hearted to say the least

I only mentioned French imports as that's given as one reason for the success; Hendo,Nicholls etc have also been known to import French horses.

And it's not just one trainer; Elliot, De Bromhead and O'Brien's son are doing very well.
Just like athletics, the tester's are far,far behind the dopers.

Jim Bolger has warned about this.

@MJK Yes there's lot's of parties involved;and they all rely on each other.

To quote what I was told most arrive at the yard 'looking like beasts'.


vets train them and Mullins is the figurehead?

Mullins obviously trains them, my question was about the period in between.

often Willie's don't seem to progress or to endure. A couple of years from now the two Arkles we saw yesterday will probably be unseating in novice chases.