Sir Gino drifting like a barge today.

Poor Hendo form
nrunners

Henderson always has a quiet February.
This one particularly.
I would not worry personally until we see how his horses run next week.

Thanks, this is what I suspected. Henderson is going through one of the worst runs I can remember. Confidence level I guess is very low with his horses.

Hasn't had a runner since 2nd of this month.
many if his hooses have pulled up.
Just the one intended runner today [3.00 San] and that was withdrawn on Vet's advice [could be anything admittedly]

Yard best avoided at all costs IMO.

sir geno worked with cons hill at kempton and prob travelled in the same horsebox

really on the slide atm

Has gone from about 2.2 on betfair this morning to now 3.8 and drifting all the time.....I suspect we'll hear more bad news tomorrow morning.
Is news leaking out from the stable that the horse might be pulled?

That's more than just a worry about Henderson's form, out to 5 now. NR ?

3/1 jt fav on here with majb

I'm green anyway

Looks
KAPUT

His owner also owns Salvator Mundi, an unraced over hurdles here but finished 2nd to Sir Gino on the Flat in France.

One left ie Shishkin. Will he stay the course?

No longer fav
JP runner leads

firming up again back into 2.7

impossible 123
It WAS a hurdle race, NOT a flat race.

Theres a lot of movement going on
Fire DRUMS are
BANGING

punted back in again now maybe a twitter rumour

3.65 now.
That is a concern

lots of the bookies have suspended their markets

layingisthewayforward  Mar 24 20:16 
I'm green anyway

wel aye.. #walofs

oddschecker still showing odds

Thanks for your input Rico ysfc.

This could be JPs week imo

back to 2.64

To be fair quite a few ‘experts’ had this one marked as the lay of the meeting and were keen to get him at a low price.

But I’m not sure they would’ve gone on the offensive so soon.

I'm green anyway

get yasell a stall at morpeth market and sell tea towels ysc.

The yard is right out of form and whatever CH had could be infectious. I could not back any of them at any price.

More layers for big money for him than backers. One might even be a plant (£43/3) to entice his supporters; post these very little.

I hope he's ok, the market says differently, and usually the market is "correct" given the scums profiting from inside info.

Hendo, Sir Gino in great nick.

they have got a lot of sick horses and that's not a guess it's from the yard

Horse couldn't be better apparently

might be one that's ok,  you'd have to see how open the yard are about each runner and then judge post race how their view stacks up with the run, as the week goes on you'll know whether to trust them

as well as which horses maybe coming down you also don't for the most part know which horses were sick early and may now be on the way back, so it's a risky stable but if you're getting silly odds then maybe it's worth the risk

Yep, got a few high-profile runners on Tuesday to give big clues.

some might be clear of whatever it is but gotta be a concern for sir geno backers that he was one of the 3 who worked at kempton very not hard to assume they were  in the same horse box !

whon was the 3rd horse that worked at kempton anyone know ?

Don't think they said, except it was expected to run in the Kim Muir.

thanks strontium shouldt be too hard to work out !

Sir Gino is now back in to 2.28..!!  I took 5.2 last night. I thought in for a penny in for a pound....of course its still got to win but that was a wild exchange ride.
After I placed the bet I thought I was a right mug. For once maybe not.

free bet, gl

You can lay it off now Newmarket, and it is a free bet.

well done ns at the price you got its a good bet at 5/4 and all the doubts no .and you have choices good luck.

If the third horse, in the CH gallop, was Quick Draw, that's now been scratched from the Kim Muir.

"I promise he's 100%" - Nicky Henderson on Sir Gino & Cheltenham 2024 team update - Luck On Sunday.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8Z9MR9_mI

I remember him saying the same about Binocular hours before that one had to be scratched.

was that the non runner 2 weeks prior that won the CH

999 on the exchange

Same horse, but the following year. Hendo said it was all systems go on the Saturday night, horse failed a drug test on the Sunday morning.

After todays deluge it will be soft, maybe heavy in places on Tuesday. We all know Hendersons horses just don't seem to act on it, maybe it s how they are trained, or just not battle-hardened for muddy conditions. But I'd bet on him not getting a winner if its soft/heavy.

How would you train a horse not to like soft/heavy conditions?

Markets v the media something must be up things happen for a reason will probably more than not run like a drain and we'll get the usual diatribe as soon as he comes on MUTE immediately.

If you tend to buy horses that have a very fluent low action at the gallop, they will probably run best on good ground. Older horses tend to come into their own on heavy. They are more experienced, a bit short of pace but more likely to keep going.

2.42 CURRENTLY

Mullins horses trained on very deep sand, no wonder his don't mind soft or heavy and was getting in a strop with the doubters who didn't want to run the last race last year cos of a patch of wet going.

Is he still fav?

Will he even be declared?

hendo says expect more nr,s thurs/fri

Been obvious for 3 weeks that they have an issue and the odd horse running well changes nothing. If you put 5 people in a room with heavy colds mixing with 5 others who have not got one, most of the second group will catch it but one or two won't.

Could be contaimnated feed
Wrong oats
Mullins got the real ONES

Sore throats and raised blood levels of antibodies much more likely to be an infection than feed related.

Sore throats and raised blood levels of antibodies much more likely to be an infection than feed related.

Cold feet is HENDO!!!

Hendo didn't appear overly confident that it will run?

Everything tickety boo on Sunday morning. He couldn't understand the drift on Saturday

With his stable under a huge cloud and many runners withdrawn it's not sensible to run a good horse like Sir Gino. I'd withdraw every runner and come back next month.

out,out,out

Golden rule of horse racing, never trust a word that comes out of hendersons mouth.

very rarely any smoke without fire ! but most backers  woulda got out shirley

"Ridiculous rumours"

You can chalk me up as a naive mug who believed what Henderson said when interviewed.... 'I dont know where these crazy rumours come from , its one of those things they love to throw at you to test your mental agility. Crazy!'

Henderson was clearly lying. Probably so his team/mates could get out of their ante-post bets.

7 to 2 the field now,every cloud and all that

Newmarket, it's not like it's the first time Hendo has done something like this...

Got to feel sorry for his backers. He looks a machine.
NEVER believe a word Henderson says. It's safer.

ITV are going to have a sympathy-fest purely for Nicky Henderson, no doubt today.

It's his owners I feel sorry for.
Horses wrapped in cotton wool for 11 1/2 months, solely for this week.

Think of all the big Saturday prizes and excitement for them, that is bypassed.

The biggies are nearly all owned by the Donnellys. They could send them to Mullins if they wanted to.

strontium - yes you are right. But that's why I feel like an idiot because he went on to Nick Luck and seemed very sincere. I hope he loses these horses now. He is clearly in decline as a trainer anyway. Win percentage going down, crap stable jockey, and falling way behind Nicholls in prize money. Only a handful of superstars is keeping him going and with those he is clearly managing them badly with over cautious programs.

p.s He stated today that the Sir Gino seems in great condition and nothing appears wrong. Henderson being over cautious again. He is running 5 lesser horses today so I dont want to hear his or ITV's crap about why he is a saint and only cares about their welfare.
He'll probably recommend that they retire Constitution Hill in case something happens when he jumps over the hurdles.

So you lot missed the bits in the same interviews you quote (and all that I've seen) that his horses look fine but anyone that knows anything about horses knows that doesn't mean that much (some do some don't show illness better). He also said that even if they looked good if any minor thing was wrong they would not run. In other words do not back until you see them and even then.......
You lot do like to cherry pick your quotes, why ignore the facts (anyone backing hendo the last month should be prepare to lose it - ap bets as well) that his horses obv aren't running well and somethings wrong and then lie and infer you only backed his horse cos of what the (known liar to you) says? Grow up and blame yourselves for backing them and for listening to someone you think is a liar.

spyker .... Firstly ante-post bets go back more than three weeks in many cases. That aside I have blamed myself if you bothered to read what I said. I started this thread.
...I don't understand keyboard warriors like you who love to take any opportunity to attack and patronise people. So pathetic.

spyker .... Firstly ante-post bets go back more than three weeks in many cases. That aside I have blamed myself if you bothered to read what I said. I started this thread.
...I don't understand keyboard warriors like you who love to take any opportunity to attack and patronise people. So pathetic.

"I don't understand keyboard warriors like you who love to take any opportunity to attack and patronise people. So pathetic."

Yes N-s I was thinking the same, so pathetic the way in which you criticise one of our best trainers and jockeys, what a hypocrite you are!

Driver2 - being critical of certain trainers and jockeys is all part of the debate isn't it? Doesn't everybody on here do it at some point? (I am also very complimentary about many of them as well.
My point which you clearly missed was that your mate was using this thread to attacking various posters on here. Why couldn't of he just defended Henderson with a ' I disagree because Saint Nick is beyond reproach and always tells the truth etc etc....
Do you see the difference between debate about horse racing trainers on a horse racing forum or do I need to try again?

wary of the stable weeks before Cheltenham, was surprised by their results on Betfair hurdle day thought they were in trouble before then

Access to Info from this Stable a License to Print , Never ending

4 fairly short ante post. None of them run.

Finally, the sense prevails for Hendo. This decision should have been at the same time and reason as Jonbon and Shishkin; his horses ran like drains all last week.

He's 6/4 for The Anniversary, with Shishkin 3/1 for The Bowl on thursday at Aintree. Any winner/s from Hendo since Cheltenham?

look it up it's easy peasy

Only a winner on 2nd Apr, but abysmal since Cheltenham. Not really inspiring, is it?

(1) has been entered for sunday; (3) monday and (5) wednesday. I guess it's financially prudent to wait until next week before taking part.