147/1 Mick Mongoose wins as it should do

Anyone back. And why

my holy grale said he's a proppa cert

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hacks up at 147/1 with jockey checking the big screen for non-existent dangers ....

Terrific advert for the dying sport - makes you want to place a bet, doesn't it? Cor yeah mister, I want to play the mug's game!

What, you expect BSP 100+ to never win? That would be too easy for layers.

too bad Daafy non runner, reduced my winnings :(

LTO beaten just over 3 lengths by the winner

I expect some logic and some explanations why a 200/1 multiple high-margin loser p*sses up. Guess what tough guys, SO DO STEWARDS (sometimes).

What is going to be in the form book? 'Trainer's respresentative could offer no explanation?'

I had a quid on it at 130/1 but only cos I like Duran Fentiman - the deductions took it down to 87/1

18:30 Southwell
Mickey Mongoose - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:340558990078 | Placed: 05-Mar-24 17:29:05
Back    87.18    1.00    --    --
86.18
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Well if you're so confident you should just lay them.

Well done Ronn.

every hoarse has a price, muglayers just think that laying triple digits is free money

No point people pointing out the price of the horse last time and ignoring how far he was beaten by the winner.

Led, headed over 1f out, no extra when badly hampered final 110yds (Mkt1: op 150/1 tchd 250/1)

last 6 runs before today it's run against 57 horses.  finished in front of 4 of them.

hacked up

I don't lay horses full stop: that's the mug's game triple distilled. The dying sport has a bad rep in its nether regions (Class 6s at Southwell being very nether). I believe Pricewise refers to all-weather racing in the Racing Post as 'c rap'.

So you never look at the latest run of a horse, hulk?

Pricewise

AW racing is my favorite, better than those 4 runner hurdles

Last time out over C and D: 7th
Horse silk
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Mickey Mongoose
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T: Olly WilliamsJ: Cam Hardie
LED, ********************************pushed along and headed under 2f out**********************************, weakening***************** when hampered inside final furlong Mkt1: op 150/1 tchd 250/1

A horse I part owned 1/20th (it`s left ear) ran and trainer told us:

will need the run
prefers a turning track
doesn`t like soft
badly drawn
needs to come with a late run
will be better for the race

Broke well, made all and won by 7 lengths. Never had a penny on.

Next time out, he said it was the proverbial certainty and started favourite and finished stone last.

TRUE STORY

Already posted.....Led, headed over 1f out, no extra when badly hampered final 110yds (Mkt1: op 150/1 tchd 250/1)

I don't endorse Pricewise, I don't take tips off anyone. My point, Sparrow old chum, is that the all-weather is OPENLY DERIDED IN THE INDUSTRY NEWSPAPER. OPENLY DERIDED. That says a lot. I like a bit of all-weather myself but results like that are a bad joke. In 30 years when this sport is gone - trust me, it will be or severely reduced, it will be worth remembering all the thousands of incidents that drove people away from it. The whole interest of handicapping is beating a market based on study, observation and creative thinking. Otherwise you might as a well play sh*t on a machine which, once AI has turned the world inside out, is what people will be doing.

You're fogetting that it was f*cked at 6f.

I am simply saying his last run was a big improvement on what had gone before and no I never had a bet in the race.

Penultimate run was beaten 33 lengths. Yes, he improved last time but he was f*cked halfway like he was f*cked halfway over 1m3f. This time round it's a different horse completely. OK, it's a bit of a plot. What do I say to a plot I can't find: ha bloody ha. WHY THE F*CK SHOULD WE BE PHILOSOPHICAL ABOUT HOW TRICKY-DICKY THIS GAME IS? W'RE PAYING FOR IT! WE'RE THE F*CKING HEROES KEEPING IT GOING THROUGH THE LEVY BOARD. I've NEVER understood that lark of saying it's bad form to moan. Why? Chr*st on a tandem, it couldn't be made more difficult half the time, it couldn't be made more financially unprepossessing by bookmakers' greed - yet people give it a go. I think moaning is the way forward.

Ex Johnson

why are people so mad, big priced winners make the game exciting, you don't want favs to never lose

If you layed the winner Gaze, you would be mad too. Who wouldn`t?

laying big outsiders is for mugs, how do you know if a 100/1 shot should be 120/1? Guesswork.

Gaze, I never back favourites; I agree that big prices are great: but punters need a sporting chance to find the winner, otherwise it becomes simply an insult to the intelligence, like casino chance games are. See above posts. Also - and I'm NOT talking about Mongoose here - if a horse wins at a vast price after much cunning campaigning and finishing nowhere and f*cked etc ie could have obtaining better placings or won in previous outings - then every single person who has bet on that animal previously has been defrauded even if none of it is enforceable in law; additionally, the form book is distorted and so on. NO ONE on here can say it doesn't happen because the history of the sport and the jockey club is littered with cases.

Colonel, no one with any common sense would dispute what you are saying. We all know it goes on every single day and will continue to do so. It`s the nature of the beast or game. But we still bet and will continue to do so because we are all addicts. Owners and trainers don`t run them for our benefit. Handicap racing is a game of chess between the connections, bookies and owners. It will never ever change.

..... run them unfit and down the field over wrong distances and on wrong ground, watch the handicap mark drop and drop, then bang bang crash wallop!

It drifted from 50 to 97, obviously not even the yard knew or it woulda steamed to 15.

With some of the reasoning here, I don't understand why you don't go out, get a share in a horse, buy a horse. Do what you say and make yourself a fortune.

Just a couple of question though, how many racehorses never make the track? How many never win a race.
Those that land a gamble good luck to them because the majority fail for many reasons.

I don't mind 147-1 shots winning at 147-1.

It's 147-1 shots winning at 9-2 that brutally expose the rancid and unchecked corruption in this sport.

Never had a penny on this one, but sparrow and gaze are spot on in what they are saying.

Of course longshots like this can (and sometimes will) win - and of course it will mean some improvement from what they've done before.

OR they wouldn't be a longshot in price would they?

and there were some clues in recent form even - for those that missed it (including me) then it's just the game you have to play. Or give up the game.

Interestingly, if anyone wants to moan about a horse in that race, it would probably have been the favourite - interesting run, and what a surprise which trainer...

It took our horse 5 races to beat a single horse home. That wasn't by design but that was where she was in her career, backward, a nervous wreck and she didn't know what to do. You can't beat the experience of racing, nothing at home prepares them for it. Where having a good opening mark helps, the improvement can simply come from them growing up and understanding what they are there to do.

2 very fair points from the 2 posters above.