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21/02/2024 17:02:06 N/A Layed Sermandzarak @ odds:1000, stake:3 (Custom column clicked) CANNOT_ACCEPT_BET 1225
Doesn't say weighed in light but an "anomaly"
Sermandzarak well beaten several furlongs out, DQ then places him 1st, utter joke!!
There was an unfortunate conclusion to Punchestown's meeting today as, in the bumper, first-past-the-post Colcannon (5/2 second-favourite) was disqualified as his inexperienced rider Finn Tegetmeier weighted-in 1.3lb light.
Kells, Co Meath native Tegetmeier was chasing a first career winner and while he had seemingly completed the hard work with a nicely-timed ride on nine-lengths winner Colcannon (5/2 second-favourite), subsequently weighed-in lighter than the 1lb threshold for disqualification.
'Runner-up' Sermandzarak — the heavily backed 8/15 favourite, was subsequently awarded the race.
Explaining the course of events which resulted in the disqualification of his horse Colcannon, Tegetmeier's employer trainer Noel Meade reported “he is 0.3 of a pound less than he should be.
“It would appear what happened was he (Tegetmeier) walked the track after he weighed out (and thus may have shed some weight).
“It is unbelievable but there is nothing I can do about it and that's it. There is no blame on anybody.”
Before news of the enquiry had broken, Meade had also praised the jockey, saying “he's a very nice rider, is with me for quite a while and he's a lovely young fella. He did a good bit of showjumping, has a beautiful pair of hands and is beautiful over a fence.
“Despite what you'd think from his name, he is Irish and from Kells. Hopefully he gets a few more as it's hard to get those lads going. That's the start anyway.”
Regarding his impressive 'winner' Colcannon, Meade had also mentioned “he's out of a good mare, She's A Star. He came to us as a two-year-old and we sent him back, he grew about six inches and he's still growing. I think he will be a nice horse in time, he's still a baby.
“He came well in Naas but tired in the ground. This track probably suited him better. Hopefully I'll give him one more run and he'll be a jumper next season.
“He's a nice horse and can go up with a flat horse easy enough. The only thing that was worrying me was that other than in Naas he had never been off the bridle.”
Promoted winner Sermandzarak was registering a success on debut for trainer Gordon Elliott, jockey John Gleeson and owners Robcour.
The subsequent stewards' report reads:
The Raceday Stewards enquired into the fact that Mr Finn Tegetmeier, rider of Colcannon, placed first, trained by N. Meade, weighed in 1.3lbs light following this race. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. Mr. Tegetmeier stated that following weighing out he walked the track and went to the toilet. Mr. Meade stated that everything he received from the rider went on the horse and he couldn't account for the missing weight. Having considered the evidence the Raceday Stewards disqualified Colcannon from first place in accordance with the provisions of Rule 231 (i) and took no further action.
Kells, Co Meath native Tegetmeier was chasing a first career winner and while he had seemingly completed the hard work with a nicely-timed ride on nine-lengths winner Colcannon (5/2 second-favourite), subsequently weighed-in lighter than the 1lb threshold for disqualification.
'Runner-up' Sermandzarak — the heavily backed 8/15 favourite, was subsequently awarded the race.
Explaining the course of events which resulted in the disqualification of his horse Colcannon, Tegetmeier's employer trainer Noel Meade reported “he is 0.3 of a pound less than he should be.
“It would appear what happened was he (Tegetmeier) walked the track after he weighed out (and thus may have shed some weight).
“It is unbelievable but there is nothing I can do about it and that's it. There is no blame on anybody.”
Before news of the enquiry had broken, Meade had also praised the jockey, saying “he's a very nice rider, is with me for quite a while and he's a lovely young fella. He did a good bit of showjumping, has a beautiful pair of hands and is beautiful over a fence.
“Despite what you'd think from his name, he is Irish and from Kells. Hopefully he gets a few more as it's hard to get those lads going. That's the start anyway.”
Regarding his impressive 'winner' Colcannon, Meade had also mentioned “he's out of a good mare, She's A Star. He came to us as a two-year-old and we sent him back, he grew about six inches and he's still growing. I think he will be a nice horse in time, he's still a baby.
“He came well in Naas but tired in the ground. This track probably suited him better. Hopefully I'll give him one more run and he'll be a jumper next season.
“He's a nice horse and can go up with a flat horse easy enough. The only thing that was worrying me was that other than in Naas he had never been off the bridle.”
Promoted winner Sermandzarak was registering a success on debut for trainer Gordon Elliott, jockey John Gleeson and owners Robcour.
The subsequent stewards' report reads:
The Raceday Stewards enquired into the fact that Mr Finn Tegetmeier, rider of Colcannon, placed first, trained by N. Meade, weighed in 1.3lbs light following this race. Evidence was heard from the rider and trainer concerned. Mr. Tegetmeier stated that following weighing out he walked the track and went to the toilet. Mr. Meade stated that everything he received from the rider went on the horse and he couldn't account for the missing weight. Having considered the evidence the Raceday Stewards disqualified Colcannon from first place in accordance with the provisions of Rule 231 (i) and took no further action.
So because he went to the loo he effectively lost the race, what a farce!
how long before the race can they weight out like?
walking round a racecourse in cold weather wont shed any weight..maybe an ounce..to lose 1lb 5oz means he would have to pi$$ a pint ...impossible.
walking round a racecourse in cold weather wont shed any weight..maybe an ounce..to lose 1lb 5oz means he would have to pi$$ a pint ...impossible.
clerk of the scales not wondering why he's weighing out hours before his race has been called ?
jockeys for the 315 please.
who are you ? Finn Tegetmeier, i'm riding in the 455 but thought i'd get the old weighing out lark out the way early doors ...
who are you ? Finn Tegetmeier, i'm riding in the 455 but thought i'd get the old weighing out lark out the way early doors ...
suprised me this info..i like most,assumed they mounted the horse minutes after weighing out between races.
I think this just shows how corrupt this game is and while decisions like this are made and allowed to happen liquidity in the markets will continue to fall this a complete and utter joke and this should not never happen couldn’t believe looking at my funds tonight what had gone on surely you weigh just before the race and straight after the race otherwise pointless and open to corruption yet again Irish racing stuffs us why not weigh in when u like if your mates lost a few quid you can quickly sort that out for them by misplacing a lead or two complete and utter shambles shame on you all for the honest punter made to look a mug again what confidence have you got backing anything especially in Irish Racing
was always the doomsday scenario for rico. rips the backside off everyone with his fast pics, sits back counts the cash. then 25 minutes later he drops 40 grand and there's fk all he can do about it.
Come on this is a scandal and should not be allowed to happen weigh as you go out and weigh in after the race not complicated if this isn’t the case open for all sorts of corruption and what confidence have you got backing anything in running if you can weigh in long before the race starts completely outrageous and should never be allowed to happen
the weighing out story is potentially a work of irish fiction Writz .... if he attempted to weigh out hours before his race so he could 'go for a wander' the clerk of the scales would surely say your race is the 455, come back at 440. that's how it works.
Sounds extraordinary. Weigh out and then walk the course 
Surely this is not a thing.
Surely this is not a thing.
A Rider, from the time of weighing out to the time of
weighing in, shall not use or be in possession of any
timepiece, electronic appliance or optical instrument unless
permission has been granted by the Chief Executive Officer
of the IHRB.
eh ? this geezers off for a wander round the track after weighing out
weighing in, shall not use or be in possession of any
timepiece, electronic appliance or optical instrument unless
permission has been granted by the Chief Executive Officer
of the IHRB.
eh ? this geezers off for a wander round the track after weighing out
One hell of a dump as well this really is unbelievable and surely there should be severe repercussions cost me and a lot of other people a lot of money this dump stinks of wrongdoings and will just be flushed down the toilet with the almighty dump never to be seen again
Rules of Irish Racing
Weighing Out
196. (i) Every rider must be weighed for a specific horse by the Clerk of
the Scales at the appointed place, not less than a quarter of an
hour before the time fixed for the race. In exceptional cases the
Stewards may extend the time allowed for weighing or declaring
weight.
(ii) If a rider after he has weighed for a specified horse, and before
he has been under the Starter’s control is prevented by accident
or illness from riding in the race, another rider may be substituted
with the consent of the Stewards, provided there is no
unreasonable delay.
(iii) When the complete list of runners and riders have been exhibited
no alteration or addition except as allowed for in section (iv) of
this Rule or in Rule 34 can be made without the permission of the
Stewards, whose reasons for such permission shall be reported
to the Office of the IHRB.
(iv) The substitution of a rider after the time fixed for nomination of
rider under Rule 195 (i) will only be allowed by the Stewards on
the day, if they are satisfied that the reason for the substitution is
a valid one, and that the circumstances resulting in the request
for a substitution could not have been foreseen prior to the time
fixed for nomination of rider.
The request for a substitution will only be granted by the
Stewards if the rider booked is incapacitated through injury or
illness on the day or fails to present himself/herself at scale
within the time fixed under Rule 196(i).
(v) When a rider fails to present himself to be weighed out within the
time fixed under sub paragraph (i) of this Rule, a fine of not less
than €200 Is liable to be imposed on the rider, unless he provides
a satisfactory explanation to the Stewards.
An application may be made to the Chief Executive Officer of the
IHRB to remit or reduce the fine imposed if a valid excuse which
was not made known to the Stewards can be presented.
(vi) The Clerk of the Scales is required to satisfy himself that
Apprentices are qualified to ride under Rules 151 and 152 before
weighing them out for races other than those confined to
Apprentices.
197. Every rider shall declare to the Clerk of the Scales at the time of
weighing out the weight that the horse which he is to ride is to carry,
and if such declared weight be in excess of the correct weight the
horse shall not on that account be liable to disqualification.
Every rider will be given a 4lb weight allowance known as a ‘Safety
Allowance’, which includes compensation for the wearing of a body
protector of an approved standard.
198. (i) The saddle, together with any weight cloth, pad or clothing
(excluding number cloth) to be carried by a horse while racing
must be put into the scales and included in the rider’s weight.
Lead must only be carried in a Lead Cloth or Saddle Pouch.
Under no circumstances are riders permitted to carry lead on any
part of their person. Any breach of this Rule shall render the rider
liable to sanction.
(ii) No whip or substitute for a whip, bridle, rings, plates or anything
worn on a horse's legs, cap or skull cap as required under Rule
198 (iv), Hood, Blinkers, Eyecover, Visor, Eyeshield, Sheepskin
Cheek Pieces, Tongue Strap, muzzle, martingale, breastplate, or
number cloth shall be allowed in the scales either in weighing out
or weighing in. The number cloth must be presented by either the
Rider or the Trainer or his Authorised Representative to the Clerk
of the Scales at the time of weighing out. The Regulations
dealing with number cloths are contained in the Appendix C
“Regulations Relating To The Saddling Of Horses”.
(iii) (a) A rider shall be responsible for the fit condition of the saddle
which he uses in any race. The saddle comprises the
saddle itself, the girths, surcingle, stirrup irons and leathers
or webs.
(b) A rider shall not weigh out or attempt to weigh out for, or
ride or attempt to ride in, any race under Rules of Racing or
I.N.H.S. Rules (including Point to Point Steeplechases),
with stirrup irons which are not approved by the Directors of
the IHRB. The Regulations dealing with stirrup irons are
contained in the Appendix C “Regulations Relating To
Riders’ Equipment”. A rider who fails to comply with the
foregoing shall be reported to the Stewards and dealt with
under Rule 14 (i).
(c) A Rider, from the time of weighing out to the time of
weighing in, shall not use or be in possession of any
timepiece, electronic appliance or optical instrument unless
permission has been granted by the Chief Executive Officer
of the IHRB.
(iv) A rider shall not ride in any race under Rules of Racing or
I.N.H.S. Rules (including Point to Point Steeplechases) unless he
is wearing a skull cap of the pattern approved by the Directors of
the IHRB. The Regulations dealing with skull caps are contained
in the Appendix C “Regulations Relating To Riders’ Equipment. A
rider who fails to comply with the foregoing shall be reported to
the Stewards and dealt with under Rule 14 (i). The rider shall be
responsible that such skull cap is in condition suitable for the
purpose for which it is intended. The skull cap and the rider’s cap
shall not under Rule 198 (ii) be included but the remainder of the
rider’s clothing must be put in the scales and included in the
rider’s weight.
(v) A Rider shall not weigh out or attempt to weigh out for, or ride or
attempt to ride in, any race under Rules of Racing or I.N.H.S.
Rules (including Point to Point Steeplechases) unless he is
wearing a Body Protector. A rider who fails to comply with the
foregoing shall be reported to the Stewards and dealt with under
Rule 14 (i).
(vi) No article which under this Rule should have been put in the
scales may be added after weighing out and every article which
has been put in the scales on weighing out shall be carried by the
horse.
(vii) (a) Any Rider weighing out with overweight of 2lbs, where such
overweight has not been declared under Rule 195(i) or
where the overweight to be carried exceeds 2lbs, shall first
obtain permission from the Stewards to do so. Such rider
may be subject to sanction under these Rules.
(b) A rider shall not be weighed out to carry 3lbs or more
overweight, except under very exceptional circumstances.
(c) The Stewards shall furnish a report to the IHRB of the
circumstances which led them to grant permission to any
rider to carry 2lbs or more overweight.
(d) Overweight shall be calculated from the weight allotted to
the horse in the race after deduction from this weight of any
allowance which the rider may be entitled to claim.
Weighing Out
196. (i) Every rider must be weighed for a specific horse by the Clerk of
the Scales at the appointed place, not less than a quarter of an
hour before the time fixed for the race. In exceptional cases the
Stewards may extend the time allowed for weighing or declaring
weight.
(ii) If a rider after he has weighed for a specified horse, and before
he has been under the Starter’s control is prevented by accident
or illness from riding in the race, another rider may be substituted
with the consent of the Stewards, provided there is no
unreasonable delay.
(iii) When the complete list of runners and riders have been exhibited
no alteration or addition except as allowed for in section (iv) of
this Rule or in Rule 34 can be made without the permission of the
Stewards, whose reasons for such permission shall be reported
to the Office of the IHRB.
(iv) The substitution of a rider after the time fixed for nomination of
rider under Rule 195 (i) will only be allowed by the Stewards on
the day, if they are satisfied that the reason for the substitution is
a valid one, and that the circumstances resulting in the request
for a substitution could not have been foreseen prior to the time
fixed for nomination of rider.
The request for a substitution will only be granted by the
Stewards if the rider booked is incapacitated through injury or
illness on the day or fails to present himself/herself at scale
within the time fixed under Rule 196(i).
(v) When a rider fails to present himself to be weighed out within the
time fixed under sub paragraph (i) of this Rule, a fine of not less
than €200 Is liable to be imposed on the rider, unless he provides
a satisfactory explanation to the Stewards.
An application may be made to the Chief Executive Officer of the
IHRB to remit or reduce the fine imposed if a valid excuse which
was not made known to the Stewards can be presented.
(vi) The Clerk of the Scales is required to satisfy himself that
Apprentices are qualified to ride under Rules 151 and 152 before
weighing them out for races other than those confined to
Apprentices.
197. Every rider shall declare to the Clerk of the Scales at the time of
weighing out the weight that the horse which he is to ride is to carry,
and if such declared weight be in excess of the correct weight the
horse shall not on that account be liable to disqualification.
Every rider will be given a 4lb weight allowance known as a ‘Safety
Allowance’, which includes compensation for the wearing of a body
protector of an approved standard.
198. (i) The saddle, together with any weight cloth, pad or clothing
(excluding number cloth) to be carried by a horse while racing
must be put into the scales and included in the rider’s weight.
Lead must only be carried in a Lead Cloth or Saddle Pouch.
Under no circumstances are riders permitted to carry lead on any
part of their person. Any breach of this Rule shall render the rider
liable to sanction.
(ii) No whip or substitute for a whip, bridle, rings, plates or anything
worn on a horse's legs, cap or skull cap as required under Rule
198 (iv), Hood, Blinkers, Eyecover, Visor, Eyeshield, Sheepskin
Cheek Pieces, Tongue Strap, muzzle, martingale, breastplate, or
number cloth shall be allowed in the scales either in weighing out
or weighing in. The number cloth must be presented by either the
Rider or the Trainer or his Authorised Representative to the Clerk
of the Scales at the time of weighing out. The Regulations
dealing with number cloths are contained in the Appendix C
“Regulations Relating To The Saddling Of Horses”.
(iii) (a) A rider shall be responsible for the fit condition of the saddle
which he uses in any race. The saddle comprises the
saddle itself, the girths, surcingle, stirrup irons and leathers
or webs.
(b) A rider shall not weigh out or attempt to weigh out for, or
ride or attempt to ride in, any race under Rules of Racing or
I.N.H.S. Rules (including Point to Point Steeplechases),
with stirrup irons which are not approved by the Directors of
the IHRB. The Regulations dealing with stirrup irons are
contained in the Appendix C “Regulations Relating To
Riders’ Equipment”. A rider who fails to comply with the
foregoing shall be reported to the Stewards and dealt with
under Rule 14 (i).
(c) A Rider, from the time of weighing out to the time of
weighing in, shall not use or be in possession of any
timepiece, electronic appliance or optical instrument unless
permission has been granted by the Chief Executive Officer
of the IHRB.
(iv) A rider shall not ride in any race under Rules of Racing or
I.N.H.S. Rules (including Point to Point Steeplechases) unless he
is wearing a skull cap of the pattern approved by the Directors of
the IHRB. The Regulations dealing with skull caps are contained
in the Appendix C “Regulations Relating To Riders’ Equipment. A
rider who fails to comply with the foregoing shall be reported to
the Stewards and dealt with under Rule 14 (i). The rider shall be
responsible that such skull cap is in condition suitable for the
purpose for which it is intended. The skull cap and the rider’s cap
shall not under Rule 198 (ii) be included but the remainder of the
rider’s clothing must be put in the scales and included in the
rider’s weight.
(v) A Rider shall not weigh out or attempt to weigh out for, or ride or
attempt to ride in, any race under Rules of Racing or I.N.H.S.
Rules (including Point to Point Steeplechases) unless he is
wearing a Body Protector. A rider who fails to comply with the
foregoing shall be reported to the Stewards and dealt with under
Rule 14 (i).
(vi) No article which under this Rule should have been put in the
scales may be added after weighing out and every article which
has been put in the scales on weighing out shall be carried by the
horse.
(vii) (a) Any Rider weighing out with overweight of 2lbs, where such
overweight has not been declared under Rule 195(i) or
where the overweight to be carried exceeds 2lbs, shall first
obtain permission from the Stewards to do so. Such rider
may be subject to sanction under these Rules.
(b) A rider shall not be weighed out to carry 3lbs or more
overweight, except under very exceptional circumstances.
(c) The Stewards shall furnish a report to the IHRB of the
circumstances which led them to grant permission to any
rider to carry 2lbs or more overweight.
(d) Overweight shall be calculated from the weight allotted to
the horse in the race after deduction from this weight of any
allowance which the rider may be entitled to claim.
No wonder he lost weight if he run around the course in the max five minutes he would have had to do in.
Oops I think I read the rule wrong. Still mind boggling.
But daft as it seems, doesn't it mean that a rider can weigh out at 14.00 hrs for a race at 17.00 hrs ? " Every rider must be weighed for a specific horse by the Clerk of the Scales at the appointed place, not less than a quarter of an hour before the time fixed for the race."
@Brian why max five minutes?
"not less than a quarter of an hour before the time fixed for the race" could be two hours...
"not less than a quarter of an hour before the time fixed for the race" could be two hours...
Longbridge - I read it wrong as my following post indicated. My original comment was rubbish.
I asked an ex jockey now trainer at Lingfield today. You can weigh out hours before the race. Seems nonsensical
so the jockey gets the saddle and the weight cloth and weighs out 2 hours pre race..then leave the saddle and weight cloth somewhere and go for a walk round the track,have a sh1t and pi$$ then go to the parade ring 10 min pre race.
seems cosher...
absolutely fckn ridic.
seems cosher...
absolutely fckn ridic.
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