George B

Rico, when you bring up its profile on the RP site, look above, you'll see the ten.

For races, they adjust it to a minimum of 45 for whatever reason.

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/regulation/official-ratings/ratings-datab...

so Hugh tipped a horse thats 35lb wrong?

He pointed out the horse was running over a more appropriate trip in line with its pedigree, had been gelded, had first-time headgear, and Boughey had done well with a similar sort in Queen Of Ipanema, who had also similarly been initially poorly rated.

POS. (DRAW)   
HORSE / SP
TRAINER / JOCKEY
AGE    WGT    OR    TS    RPR    MR   
1 (3)

Runner Jacket
1. Bradman  4/11F
Rossa Ryan
Charlie Fellowes
3    99 p    55    47    61    –   
Took keen hold, prominent on inner, ridden and joined leader 2f out, led narrowly final 110yds, kept on (op 1/3)
2 (6)
½
Runner Jacket
6. Something To Do  5/1
David Probert
George Boughey
3    90 Out-of-Handicaps 1 p1    46    37    51    –

its bha OR is 45..it was racing 1 lb out the h/cap yest.

anyone else george and you'd be going in the clown list

Rico, it's official rating IS ten.

This is the BHA ratings page for the horse.

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/regulation/official-ratings/ratings-database/#!?q=something%20to%20do

Coco-Dangleflaps

why wasnt it racing 46lb out of the h/cap yest then?

Oh dear , get yerself on the list Ricoco.

POS. (DRAW)   
HORSE / SP
TRAINER / JOCKEY
AGE    WGT    OR    TS    RPR    MR   
1 (3)

Runner Jacket
1. Bradman  4/11F
Rossa Ryan
Charlie Fellowes
3    99 p    55    47    61    –   
Took keen hold, prominent on inner, ridden and joined leader 2f out, led narrowly final 110yds, kept on (op 1/3)
2 (6)
½
Runner Jacket
6. Something To Do  5/1
David Probert
George Boughey
3    90 Out-of-Handicaps 1 p1    46    37    51    –

its bha OR is 45..bottom weight yest was 9-0 so it raced off 46 as was 1lb out the h/cap

It says it's rated 10 on the Racing Post, Timeform and the British Horse Racing sites. That's the flat and A/W

so why wasnt it stated as 46lbs out the h/cap yest?

10 is prolly its BHA performance rating based on performances in maidens.
hosses need to start off somewhere in handicaps.
Sir Mark is an expert

I haven't a clue

Had this conversation on here years / decades back with Chompy about why they do it, he called me a thicket and told me to learn the game.

exactly leif...

its official bha OR is 45.

That sounds right, leif

first run in a handicap and that's what it was given as a starting out mark.

Rico, what is confusing you about this?

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/regulation/official-
ratings/ratings-database/#!?q=something%20to%20do

Copy and paste into your browser, then press enter

been rasied 2lb , no rated 48
entered up tomorrow night at kempton 8.00
and/or then again Friday at two meetings.

Hollie rides it tomorrow if it turns up

so why wasnt it stated as 46lbs out the h/cap yest?

leif 30 Jan 24 23:07 
been rasied 2lb , no rated 48

why not raised to 12?

It's rated 61 tomorrow

FUTURE OR Amiwithani (+2), Something To Do (-38)

5
Something To Do (GB) p
Hollie Doyle
3
0000- • GELDING
F: 2
OR 10
8st 4lbs
George Boughey
Shylock
--
it hasn't been raised , it's still rated '10' for now but race conditions tomorrow means minimum rating in a 51-70 will be 8-4 so relative to the topweight it will be running off 48 so 3lb wrong in the long handicap from its '45' rating albeit in reality it is 38lbs wrong hence the RP states
FUTURE OR Amiwithani (+2), Something To Do (-38)

Crikey this is like going back to nursery.

Presumably won't be reassessed until next Tuesday, when THAT 10, Rico, will change to something a good bit higher, so keep that BHA link handy.

so,was rated 10..runs well off 45...so will prob get 2-5LB hike so now raised 40lbs for 1 run ?

the 10 rating is a los..it cannot run off 10.

Ran a 55 OR hoss to half a length off OR mark of 46

what approx is its current H'cap rating?

if it goes up 2 lb george and swifty are saying 12?

Without knowing how it will get on tomorrow, it will presumably be rated in line with Bradman.


James
@jamesaknight
·
29 Jan
Hugh Taylor has tipped a horse that has never recorded an RPR in four tries and is rated 10. Good case too. Morning.

if Bradman ran to 55 and beat it 1/2L giving it 9lb something to do has to now be rated 46-48 allowing for more improvement.

not a bad improvement..38lbs in 1 run.

They've pulled clear of the third, so Bradman could go up another 7lb to 62, so Something To Do could go up to 55 imo.

Think Bradman was a pound well in yesterday under the pen

^ scratch that

45lbs improvement wow.

(regarding improved form show, trainer's rep said the gelding had benefitted from a notable step up in trip to 1m4f, and that a gelding operation has significantly improved his general behaviour) (op 7/2)

if northgates and rubio's OR are accurate Bradman will deffo go to 60.

LONG HANDICAP Something To Do 8-1
FUTURE OR Amiwithani (+2), Something To Do (-38)

https://www.racingpost.com/racecards/1079/kempton-aw/2024-01-31/858337/

So they like to pretend in these instances that no horse is rated lower than the mid-40s

But it's not just low grade races where this happens, for example, during the turf season, there are handicaps where the rating band is for example, 80-100, but horses with lower ratings are allowed to run, but it will stipulate in the race conditions that they are assumed to have the minimum rating. I'm pretty sure there's one of these at Nottingham.

some races have a maximum weight range so the minimum rating will be determined by the highest runner -20lb

finished in front of two hosses who ran off a mark of 67 when runner-up this evening.

odds he'll be assessed as a hoss rated 10 ?

-38

he was getting 15 pounds from those 2 which means 52 is about right (for now at least). So 10 was a tad low, either the handicapper should be getting his P45 or Boughey should be hauled in. Of course in reality neither will happen.

The handicappers can only look at the maiden performances and make some fashion of a performance mark.
If a hoss is beaten a 100 lengths or whatever what are they to do?
On balance its last mark of 46 when runner-up was spot on.

Botti had one in this race tonight that ran off 60. beaten out of sight but how long will it take for that to get to a hcap mark off which it can win.

He didn't give it a mark of 46, he gave it a mark of 10, that's the point. It ran from 38lbs 'wrong' in the end.

It was made to run off 46.
For me that it is its provisional handicap mark first time up in a handicap race.
that 10 was a performance rating based on what it had achieved in 3 maiden races of little note.
HTF can it be definitively 38lb wrong in a class 5 race based on 3 outings in maiden races?

You can read it how you like . The fact is he got an official mark of 10. If connections had decided to run him in a 0-100 with a 20lb weight band he'd have run off 80 and been 70lbs wrong.

In reality there should be a minimum rating required to appear in handicaps, maybe 10lbs wrong max to force them to show 'more' of their hand in maidens. It's cheating plain and simple.

It is an imperfect system. The 2yo rule where you have to finish in the first 4 to get a mark could be extended until a horse has run 5 or 6 times perhaps.

Prefer the American system of claimers than our handicaps. At least most will be be trying rather than messing about going up and down the ratings waiting for the right day.

Something to do running again. 2.47 Lingers
every other day - 3 times this week.

41lb out of the handicap apparently

Decent run despite being 41lb wrong

GEORGE.B30 Jan 24 23:34
They've pulled clear of the third, so Bradman could go up another 7lb to 62, so Something To Do could go up to 55 imo.

Spot on, George, up to 55

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/regulation/official-ratings/ratings-database/#!?q=something%20to%20do

And Bradman up to 62

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/regulation/official-ratings/ratings-database/#!?q=bradman

I might apply for a job there

GEORGE.B30 Jan 24 23:34
They've pulled clear of the third, so Bradman could go up another 7lb to 62, so Something To Do could go up to 55 imo.

you predicted 55 on 30 Jan.

It has taken another good second off 48 (31/01/24) and a win off 51(02/02/24) for the mark to NOW be raised to 55.

So you were completely wrong in fact.

swiftynifty sounds very angry.

I predicted Bradman and Something To Do would be rated 62 and 55 respectively when next assessed.

So I was in fact completely correct. Hth.

Not angry George, had just discovered you're psychic then and had foreseen his next 2 runs?!

The handicapper has let him off lightly which only encourages the cheating to continue.