L'Homme Presse V Protektorat Sunday...

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L'Homme Presse.

Naw fraid not.

All views welcome.

Better horse, race fitness shouldnt be a problem as he has won first time up after breaks of 773, 223 and 222 days in the past. Market will tell us more on the day.

Yeah but he aint getting any younger is he?

Hauturiere a better bet at 5/4 at Thurles and the Horse and Jockey Chase the same day a much more interesting race, Allaho, Envoi Allen, Appreciate Itandmore...

Protektorat was not off a yard last time imo have a look at the Race his main objective was to get round and make sure he finished the Race out...Job done.

This is his Gold Cup on Sunday....L'Homme Presse has bigger plans down the road....Do the Math.

I would urge anybody to have a look at Protektorats last Race and if you think he was there to Win i suggest you take up tiddlywinks.

I'm with 'acey' on this. L'Homme Presse has had only two races in 2022, and missed an entire 2023.

I can see the front two flip flopping in the betting.

no bet race could bbe anything

Will certainly brighten up a dull Weekend.

Lingfield optimistic for Sunday.... I like the sound of that.

Allaho on sunday is another that is worth opposing, I believe. Any double possible?

LHP has won first time out three times (every season he's run in GB).

Not sure if you can do a double lay!!!

Maybe see if one of the bet-builders offer that?

If not, lay them singularly

cant do a double lay ttbofmk

Of course you can't.

But it's another thing to post for the sake of it.

Even though he won't lay either

Explain?

He wont

Lay both and roll over the steak same as a double innit.

It is, true.

But who would do that?

If you're against 2 short priced favourites it's hardly the most ridiculous bet in the world , is it ?

You would risk your winnings and stake on the 2nd bet?

acey, with due respect, Protektorat's "Gold Cup" was Haydock. Skelton said this time and time again before the race. He was clear that he was being set up for that race knowing it was unlikely he would win at Kempton or Cheltenham. It may be that you are correct and L'HdP is not good enough or not ready (very unlikely given his first time out record) but it is surely wrong to say that , in some way or other, this is the Gold Cup for Protektorat. He's had that and got battered. And he gives 4lb. Good luck with your punt. I shan't be playing too heavily but I would definitely not be backing the Skelton horse.

lay protekerat

Glad to hear The Trainer keeping his gub shut this time after telling everybody he would not get beat in The Betfair Chase.

That really was an eyecatching run last time by Protektorat Sunday stroll round and finish more or less on the snaff.

I mean i am a Fan of L'homme Presse but just not Tomorrow.

acey, I love punters who are fans of horses. I doubt if I would describe 3rd in a middling handicap behind a novice who was battered last week as "eyecatching" but I admire your determined approach. We all have these horses. I followed See More Business (my former user name) for ever. he won more races than P mind you! I wish you the best tomorrow. I shall be playing small on L'HdP but we shall see. Good luck chap.

I'm not sure why they ran Protektorat in the handicap last time, a mere 3 weeks after the Betfair Chase, it certainly wouldn't have been the plan, it was almost as if they were so disappointed and at a complete loss they were desperate to see him run again just to see if the Haydock run was real or not. I don't know what it told us, giving weight to vastly inferior horses in what ended up being slowly run, I suppose the horse had a nicer experience and as acey says he wasn't given a particularly hard time.

They'll be wanting to find out one or two things from LP tomorrow, with a truncated prep I think he'll be 100% ready to rock and they will be eager to see him up against a decent yardstick with the Gold Cup in mind. In a perfect world he'll lead all the way and pound the rest into submission.

Protektorat was ridden conservatively last time to say the least (a confidence builder) but that's probably why he ran well. I don't think he has a lot more up his sleeve and I don't think he beats the fav off levels let alone giving him weight

Even the Racing Post described Protektorat's last run as eyecatching Donegal that is not just me....Anyway should be a fun Race to watch good luck.

Not a race I would want to bet in and not just a 2 horse race but with the yard back in form I would side with Protektorat to beat a horse with 391 days off.

But for the 4lbs concession to L'Homme Presse (LHP) I'd go all in. As it is only a treble, with only LHP to beat; Allaho has an easier task without Envoi Allen.

Certainly not a Race to go all In Imp...Best Clash we have had for a couple of Weeks that is why i thought it was worth highlighting.

'acey', a good handicapper vs a promising but fragile horse that's missed 2023. Only a small acca with a shortie footie, Cheltenham and Newmarket.

Bit harsh to call Protektorat a "handicapper". On that basis, any horse that doesn't win the Gold Cup is a handicapper. How would you define a proper Grade 1 horse?

Skelton still thinks there is a Grade 1 in him.

It's slightly irritating that I can't glean any info about L'Homme Presse wellbeing; bloody stable is impossible to gauge. Trip and ground perfect though and his been entered in enough races to make me believe he might be ready. Surely anywhere near his best will beat this lot including Protektorat trying to give him 4lbs.

And not been a penny for him.

I think thats probably as a result of the early price being very tight. 10/11 is more realistic, given the stable and mia for 13 months. Apologies for aftertiming but Allaho 6/5 with Bet365 (without Envoy Allen) was a much better bet for those that could get one.

Protektorat for budget airline race at Cheltenham. Here's 40 here for the race. Allaho is 3.7; he beat a marathon horse at Thurles.

L'Homme Presse after a few fences looks as rusty as an old nail.

Protektorat is finnish

Phew, thankfully warmed to the task. Protektorat probably best to put him in one of the Cheltenham handicaps.

You can probably get a room at the Y Acey.

Giving 4lb, Protektorat comes out just the best but both would be well short of GC class imo.

Good Race.

Protektorat would have won that off levels. Total overaction by bookmakers. Wouldnt what horses they have pushed out having shortened L Homme Presse up?

Might have been close and the 4lb of course, but surely LP has a lot of improvement to come, it took him half the race to get any sort of rhythm going.

CD was messing on with stirrups or something for 1st mile of race giving easy lengths to the 2nd

Well called Acey, Never in doubt. Right again!

i take that point Storm Alert. L'Homme Presse should improve enough to beat Protektorat again at levels over that trip but Protektorat was a well beaten fifth of 6 finishers in the 2023 Gold Cup! It is also true that Skelton has been in blinding form recently while Venetia was 0 from 12!

If all my selections ran that well i would be more than happy....You Win Shum you lose shum.

Poor old Acey. Another loser to add to the collection

Sorry acey thought you had tipped the winner.

Well done Tiger, great shout!

I knew I had bet it last night on someone`s advice.

Could do with a few more threeds like this creates a bit of interest no?

Had a **** of a Day though two bets Saint Segal and Protektorat.

There is always another day. Chasing on horses you don`t fancy is daft.

Good thread. I agree with Sage neither of these two will be winning the GC.

You always got plenty to say Mac...After the Race.

The 4lb told there. Nevermind, cannot win them all; the jockey and horse tried - that was the main thing.

LHP will improve for fitness, jumping and trip. Still not likely to get close to GDC though, but it would be nice if something makes a race of it. Won cosily today, whatever pounds for lengths may say.

Enjoy yoyr tiddlywinks acey.

Really do not see how anyone can think the 4lb made the difference between victory and defeat.

Hoping to see GDC put in another monster performance at the DRF to jeopardise his Gold Cup claims.

If they both turn up in the Gold Cup at level weights I would expect Protektorat to come out on top.

I would be gobsmacked if they could get near the Fav in The Gold Cup....But i have been gobsmacked before.

I would be gobsmacked too.

Really? Sure, if GDC runs like he did last time out, nothing will get near him. But if he runs like he did the two races before that, he'll get beaten by something.

Yes, really.  Otherwise I wouldn;t have said so.

Agree Stront, plenty are focussing on GDC's last run, but if we look at the wider picture since last March then the conclusion we must come to is that he has a vulnerability as well of any brilliance he may show and as impressive as he was last time the truth is that he was the only one to run any kind of race and the horse that's beaten him twice since last March wasn't even in the field.

If you were really wanting to pour cold water on it you could say that Fastorslow was nothing more than a glorified handicapper himself who beat GDC twice whilst about 2 stone wrong at the weights. Even with what appears the paucity of opposition nigh on even money about the favourite is pushing it

Surely the price is irrelevant in this discussion.  L'Homme Presse ran a stinker two back and two back from that one too.
Does that make him a "dodgepot" as well?

skelton running prot again before chelt, diff campaign pot hunting, if it runs at chelt more chance of running in ryanair

Two back, LHP won a handicap at Newcastle off 164. He was poor the time before that (Aintree), which was his only bad run since he went chasing.

If you do go Acey, leave a couple of quid balance, so you can still post your good things!

Will do bud.

Nice pivot strontium.  Politics beckon for you.

I understand Gerri was disappointing last time nevertheless the price of LHP is shorter than his. Is it justified? LHP only beat Protektorat receiving 4lbs.

Cant argue with that honcho, sound like if his auntie had testicles scenario, a bit like Rico on Stewards Inq and might get disqualified but not a gimme but WD Rico whatever the result to himself.

One thing for sure is that Protektorat will not beat LP if they meet again unless it was at 2 miles which obviously will never happen, the longer the trip the further LP would beat him.

Sorry, where's the "pivot"? You said "L'Homme Presse ran a stinker two back and two back from that one too". I just pointed out that is factually incorrect - he's only run one bad chase in his career, the race at Aintree.