PP/BF rebranded..

all person to person Steven.  all they do is take their commission.

Silverbridge 4.7 > 4.3 with £108 looking for 4.4

that's definitely not them, all they do is take their commission.

another £108 floats up the Liffey.

wasn't them though, all they do is take their commission.

click lay with money in all pink..vanishes instantly and 12p laid.
click lay with money in all pink and vanishes instantly and nixi.
horses 20/30/40 to back..nothing in pink.
click lay with an overide and overide matched for 90% of steak
horses 30 to back..800 to lay.
horse trading at 10..click to lay £10 with a +5 tick and 5 prices matched.

welcome to in running or call the feds.

its not the feds, its someone with the requisite technical acumen that enables them to interrogate the systems and conclude PP/BF aren't up to something they shouldn't be.   as opposed to some Fine Arts Graduate working their way through a checklist for KPMG. not sure she's going to question the thousands of £108 bets someones layering into the markets.

data/gps ahead of the action..pic suppliers ahead of the masses...

khan ewe ski uphill Mount Everest please?

Moan moan moan……

how much you paying for your drone pics ??

and you're complaining about pic suppliers ....

aye,,they are ahead of the masses..albeit a fraction but a fraction is akin to 50yds when clickin on impulse.

You used to come on every day crowing about your
winnings, gained by being in front of the masses.

dats correct..sadly those daze are history.

still dont see how so many can use drones when theres 60 of em chasing 60 quid

even i, the greatest of all time, couldnt do it

Rico-Dangleflaps 04 Jan 24 14:47 
dats correct..sadly those daze are history.

..............

Well man up ffs, people weren't crying about you every day.

wel sed.

Nae bother.

Rico-Dangleflaps Joined: 07 Sep 18


pic suppliers ahead of the masses...

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so Mr.HUnt...

are you now suggesting the lads in vans at racecourses are taking advantage of the following :-

a) using the raw feed which is at their fingertips on a daily basis

b) taking advantage of seeing every possible camera angle whilst LV players on here are given some very iffy camera angles at times

c) taking advantage of seeing almost immediately the photo finish print (even if it does or doesn't have the lines drawn on it by the judge) ?

or am i getting the picture badly wrong by what you said above ?

Weighed in, weighed in!

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Mr.Hunt would appear to disagree with you there jamee...

good to see you are continuing to stalk me on here...

considering i hadn't even heard of you until recently...

i ain't daft you know...

the penny dropped a while back...

Rico-Dangleflaps Joined: 07 Sep 18
pic suppliers ahead of the masses...

drone pics go track > office in wales...then go out to peoples laptops at home or in my case office..(im assuming even though internet latency isnt much these daze) that those it lands to 1st will have a millisec advantage when an impulse click is needed.

Hibby......Your stalker a refugee from the US forum in the recent past.

it's a pity sparrow coz i thought me and 'jamee' (cough cough wink wink nudge nudge say no more) were pretty much singing from the same hymn sheet...

until the drones took over and it would appear he can't help but having a pop whenever anything a bit iffy is spoken about...

not to worry...

these things happen.

so Mr.Hunt...

when you say 'pic suppliers' you are meaning 'the folk who supply the drone pics' ?

easy answer...

get your own drone...

you keep telling us you've won millions on here...

put it to good use instead of hopping on someone else's pics where you clearly won't be top of the Queue.

Jan 5, 2024 -- 7:20AM, HappyHibby wrote:

Mr.Hunt would appear to disagree with you there jamee...good to see you are continuing to stalk me on here...considering i hadn't even heard of you until recently...i ain't daft you know...the penny dropped a while back...

Honestly, no malice intended Hibby. I don't enjoy watching you devote so much energy towards a relatively insignificant culprit.

I will say no more on the subject.

HappyHibby 05 Jan 24 13:32 
get your own drone...

what happens on boxing day when theres 11 meetings?

Jan 5, 2024 -- 7:25AM, sparrow wrote:

Hibby......Your stalker a refugee from the US forum in the recent past.

5 straight years trading US racing full-time and I was bored stiff, so moved over to UK racing for a change of scenery and a bit more liquidity. I only have automations running over there now.

what happens on boxing day when theres 11 meetings?

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get 11 drones Mr.Hunt...

bulk buy...

made millions on here...

it's an investment at the end of the day...

pointless coming on here moaning coz you ain't King if the Castle no more but doing nowt about it imv.

no incentive anymore hibs..true story.

as saddo said Mr.Hunt...

all those years you had HUGE advantages over plebs like me...

i doubt you are doing so badly you have much to moan about regarding drones...

try using ATR BLV ffs.

wont win without an edge..that edge has been erroded to being behind on every level...

technology has taken over the asylum.

how much did you win yesterday Mr.Hunt ?

Horse Racing: £349.30
Total P&L: £349.30
Horse Racing
Showing 1 - 20 of 35 markets
Market
Start time    Settled date    Profit/Loss (£)
Horse Racing / Ludlow 5th Jan : 3m1f Hcap Chs
05-Jan-24 14:45    05-Jan-24 14:52    10.95
Horse Racing / Musselburgh 5th Jan : 1m7f Nov Hcap Hrd
05-Jan-24 14:30    05-Jan-24 14:39    6.25
Horse Racing / Southwell 5th Jan : 5f Hcap
05-Jan-24 14:22    05-Jan-24 14:26    4.02
Horse Racing / Ludlow 5th Jan : 3m Hcap Hrd
05-Jan-24 14:10    05-Jan-24 14:17    7.84
Horse Racing / Musselburgh 5th Jan : 2m4f Hcap Hrd
05-Jan-24 13:55    05-Jan-24 14:02    6.36
Horse Racing / Southwell 5th Jan : 1m3f Hcap
05-Jan-24 13:47    05-Jan-24 13:53    8.13
Horse Racing / Musselburgh 5th Jan : 2m4f Nov Hcap Chs
05-Jan-24 13:20    05-Jan-24 13:28    3.09
Horse Racing / Southwell 5th Jan : 1m4f Hcap
05-Jan-24 13:12    05-Jan-24 13:20    36.00
Horse Racing / Ludlow 5th Jan : 2m4f Nov Hcap Chs
05-Jan-24 13:00    05-Jan-24 13:06    2.13
Horse Racing / Musselburgh 5th Jan : 3m Mdn Hrd
05-Jan-24 12:45    05-Jan-24 12:52    2.94
Horse Racing / Southwell 5th Jan : 1m Mdn Stks
05-Jan-24 12:37    05-Jan-24 12:43    7.24
Horse Racing / Ludlow 5th Jan : 2m Hrd
05-Jan-24 12:25    05-Jan-24 12:31    10.37
Horse Racing / Musselburgh 5th Jan : 2m7f Hcap Chs
05-Jan-24 12:10    05-Jan-24 12:18    11.45
Horse Racing / Southwell 5th Jan : 1m Mdn Stks
05-Jan-24 12:02    05-Jan-24 12:09    22.91
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 6f Hcap
04-Jan-24 18:10    04-Jan-24 18:14    6.65
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 3 TBP
04-Jan-24 17:40    04-Jan-24 17:50    2.94
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 1m Nov Stks
04-Jan-24 17:40    04-Jan-24 17:48    0.12
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 1m Hcap
04-Jan-24 17:10    04-Jan-24 17:17    3.99
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 1m Hcap
04-Jan-24 16:40    04-Jan-24 16:45    11.36
Horse Racing / Hereford 4th Jan : 2m5f Hcap Chs
04-Jan-24 15:58    04-Jan-24 16:06    5.88

just for January 4th Mr.Hunt please.

Horse Racing: £209.62
Total P&L: £209.62
Horse Racing
Market
Start time    Settled date    Profit/Loss (£)
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 6f Hcap
04-Jan-24 18:10    04-Jan-24 18:14    6.65
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 3 TBP
04-Jan-24 17:40    04-Jan-24 17:50    2.94
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 1m Nov Stks
04-Jan-24 17:40    04-Jan-24 17:48    0.12
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 1m Hcap
04-Jan-24 17:10    04-Jan-24 17:17    3.99
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 1m Hcap
04-Jan-24 16:40    04-Jan-24 16:45    11.36
Horse Racing / Hereford 4th Jan : 2m5f Hcap Chs
04-Jan-24 15:58    04-Jan-24 16:06    5.88
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 1m4f Hcap
04-Jan-24 15:48    04-Jan-24 15:55    3.35
Horse Racing / Newcastle 4th Jan : 2m Hcap
04-Jan-24 15:37    04-Jan-24 15:44    5.46
Horse Racing / Hereford 4th Jan : 3m1f Hcap Hrd
04-Jan-24 15:28    04-Jan-24 15:35    1.38
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 1m4f Hcap
04-Jan-24 15:15    04-Jan-24 15:22    1.52
Horse Racing / Hereford 4th Jan : 3m1f Hcap Chs
04-Jan-24 14:58    04-Jan-24 15:06    8.10
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 1m Nov Stks
04-Jan-24 14:45    04-Jan-24 14:53    5.88
Horse Racing / Hereford 4th Jan : 2m6f Mdn Hrd
04-Jan-24 14:28    04-Jan-24 14:34    5.49
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 1m2f Hcap
04-Jan-24 14:15    04-Jan-24 14:24    9.70
Horse Racing / Hereford 4th Jan : 2m6f Mdn Hrd
04-Jan-24 13:58    04-Jan-24 14:04    0.13
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 1m Hcap
04-Jan-24 13:45    04-Jan-24 13:52    6.54
Horse Racing / Hereford 4th Jan : 2m Mdn Hrd
04-Jan-24 13:28    04-Jan-24 13:45    42.81
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 1m Hcap
04-Jan-24 13:15    04-Jan-24 13:22    12.10
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 7f Hcap
04-Jan-24 12:45    04-Jan-24 12:53    2.21
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 6f Class Stks
04-Jan-24 12:15    04-Jan-24 12:18    15.68
Horse Racing / Lingfield 4th Jan : 6f Class Stks
04-Jan-24 11:45    04-Jan-24 11:50    58.33

take 2 fotos away and abso desperate hibs.

so i take it without the 2 photos you won about £108 Mr.Hunt ?

for a very quiet day it ain't too bad imv...

i won £28.79...

if a bad day is winning £108 i don't think you have too much to moan about tbh.

all revelvant hibs..few mths ago was copping 3-400.

yesterday was a quiet day Mr.Hunt...

you say yourself you are only on here to waste time etc...

i think you've had a good run at it over the years tbh.

i have i aint complaining..jussed stating technology and the PP IT dept have tweaked the softwear to allow nothing free anymore.

Mr.P is there to make money Mr.Hunt...

not to give you a free ride.

indeed.

but if you do make money he wants a nice big fat chunk of the pie...

it's like it or lump it tbh.

The current management of the exchange have gradually run it into the ground with their greed and  also a devotion to so called bookmaking.

doubt you will get many who disagree with that tbh sparrow.

If only we could go back to our starting year hibby when it was a proper exchange.

I remember quite some time ago when betfair would ring customers up for their views on the exchange and I told this rep that the PC would do harm eventually to liquidity and he said the reason for it was to it make it fairer and to try and deter those people using software.

agree with both of those sparrow...

i also remember being told that the 1 sec in running delay was so the x-matching BOT could do it's 'thang'...

i haven't stopped laughing since tbh...

i've broken half a dozen ribs in the process.

BCM1 'leaving' was a huge blow sparrow...

pretty much all downhill since that point imv.

the most embarrassing thing about BF which beggars absolute and utter belief is them stopping PC players from betting pre event...

If I had my way I would have banned all software but this is progress we are told. My dad was an on course clerk most of his life and that took some doing in the 30s until the 70s. No software for those guys to play with!

Those early years of the exchange were a golden age for gambling - but golden ages never last.
When opportunity comes your way, don’t knock it..

if they banned software someone somewhere (in the summertime) would have got a way around it imv sparrow...

with or without Betfair's knowledge...

it's always the same where hard cash is involved...

i mean if Betfair really wanted 'a level playing field' (which they claim they do) then just bin the 1 sec in running delay...

all this 'we need it so the x-matching BOT can work' is total poppyc0ck imv.

You'd have some severe opposition to banning all software sparrow , me for one.

Allows you to have a life away from the PC when choosing to without missing opportunities.

I realise of course it could never happen hayden as people are not going to give up their advantage over others. But the fact is that it has killed the exchange principle to the delight of the bookmakers.

The only thing that should matter sparrow is making money , sod the good of the industry and it's bad for this and that , it's unavoidable progress as in many other walks of life.

The gambling industry hasn't stood still in a million different ways over the last decade or so as some punters are now finding out , the good old nostalgic days as punters like to remember them are toast.

The clock will only go forward not back but nothing to stop anyone joining in.

good luck mate   




The true definition of madness is repeating the same action, over and over, hoping for a different result.
- ALBERT EINSTEIN

I agree about making money but just would like to see a level playing field for all punters. I couldn't care less about bookmakers and all those others thieving a living off the game.

sparrow - I'm with Happy and Hayden (in principal, though I've never got my 'bot to work fast enoungh to be let loose with my money, but that's just incompetence on my part).

- if BF tried to ban software (as I believe they tried in the early days) there are plenty of third-party tools out there to automate interactions with websites, and they'd just end up with the website thrashed by people with a hundred markets open and software hitting 'refresh' ten times a second

- if I know what my strategy is, and I'm clever enough to code it, why should I have to sit at my desk mashing buttons when a PC can do it for me?

Also, not my/our game, but look at (eg) Football - dozens of in-play markets being repriced in real-time as play happens - there's no way that would be done by individual punters putting prices up one at a time on the website.

Agree with every word of that longbridge , it's called gambling with a life.

Would add also as well as auto you need to apply some things manually as is the case with outlets in that you need BOTH the exchange and bookmakers to exploit every opportunity a multi-dimensional punter would need.


As always though it's each to their own.

Each to their own until the whole thing disappears as this exchange might.

when sparrow...

not if...

imv.

for horse racing in running at least.

Jan 5, 2024 -- 11:29AM, sparrow wrote:

Each to their own until the whole thing disappears as this exchange might.

That's the way BF is heading.
Premium charge is what makes the Exchange financially worthwhile for PP.
Once most go, it's pointless.

It may well disappear who knows , my attitude is make the most of something whilst it lasts then turn attention to another adventure and not waste energy worrying about other punters and how to individually win a losing battle.

Selfish i know but gambling is dog eat dog.

We are all a little bit selfish as I am here because the thought to go back to the old bookmaker betting horrifies me!  No laying or proper place betting and all their other bloody stupid restrictions would be just too much to bear.

Lay (Bet Against)
Backer's odds
Backer's stake
Payout
Liability
En Meme Temps
190
£0.19
£36.10
En Meme Temps
200
£0.02
£4.00
En Meme Temps
220
£0.02
£4.40
En Meme Temps
240
£0.16
£38.40
En Meme Temps
250
£0.01
£2.50
En Meme Temps
260
£0.60
£156.00
En Meme Temps
300
£1.01
£303.00
En Meme Temps
310
£0.01
£3.10
En Meme Temps
350
£0.01
£3.50
En Meme Temps
360
£0.01
£3.60
En Meme Temps
370
£0.01
£3.70
En Meme Temps
390
£0.02
£7.80
En Meme Temps
400
£0.01
£4.00
En Meme Temps
410
£0.01
£4.10
En Meme Temps
450
£0.01
£4.50
En Meme Temps
480
£0.15
£72.00
En Meme Temps
500
£0.10
£50.00
En Meme Temps
890
£0.01
£8.90
En Meme Temps
900
£0.19
£171.00
En Meme Temps
940
£0.45
£423.00

spreadnotfair...

Rico-Dangleflaps • January 5, 2024 4:04 PM GMT
the most embarrassing thing about BF which beggars absolute and utter belief is them stopping PC players from betting pre event...

would it really be that difficult for them to differentiate between pre-off-time bets and those struck in-play? Traders would have to react accordingly, but it could certainly revive pre-race markets.

yes that would need sorting but haway man its 2024..can send a drone 10,000 miles and knock a peenus out of katie prices mouth.

New account. Cushion until you pay 20%? £5grand? Amount until you pay 40%? £250grand?

Jan 12, 2024 -- 12:49PM, swiftynifty wrote:

New account. Cushion until you pay 20%? £5grand? Amount until you pay 40%? £250grand?

It's all about your commission%. If you can keep it above 20% then there's no PC to pay until you breach £250k net profit.

assuming commission ratio is low?

From memory you get a £1k PC allowance so you'd have to be at least £5k in profit to work through the allowance before any PC is actually taken.

and then 20% so potentially (250-5) so another 245 gross profit before it hits 40% so potential saving of 49G.

The £250k is net profit, so in reality it's more like £300k gross before higher tier kicks in.

ok so in theory more like 60G

yes..nearer 300k before 40% teks ower.

ever thought of renting out a room in your neighbour's house? asking for a friend.