sunday night racing at wolvs 530-830

looks like owners like it

And without the owners we have nothing.

Spreading dross & revenues even more thinly.
How did racing ever survive with no Sunday racing or AW?

If people don't care for particular meetings then just ignore them as I frequently do. As always many on here only interested in their own personal preferences with no regard for what others might prefer.

maybe racing survived in the past because there was no internet no smartphones little racing on telly / nearly no football on the telly. Times have changed. Racing has to be on tv when people want to watch. Let's see if they do.

It does amaze me how many people in racing including jockeys, trainers and punters see more race meetings as a threat because they assume that they have to be ready to compete in or bet on every race. Jockeys are free agents so they can take a couple of weeks off so long as they give notice to anyone who retains them. Trainers can make it clear to owners that they don't run horses on Mondays or Sundays or on the all weather or any other reason and the owner then decides how to react. Even if a trainer does want to race 364 days a year, he has to ensure that staff have regular days off like any other business and it is only the biggest ones who have runners every day. I was a livestock farmer so animals needed feeding 365 days a year but including me there were 4 people who rotated weekends and it worked fine. Punters can specialise in certain types of race or only bet on flat or NH etc. Some people just enjoy watching horses race and don't bet at all. I probably won't watch Sunday evening racing but I don't mind other people doing so.

Jan 3, 2024 -- 11:47AM, sparrow wrote:

If people don't care for particular meetings then just ignore them as I frequently do. As always many on here only interested in their own personal preferences with no regard for what others might prefer.

I'm talking from a sport perspective rather than a betting one.
Over-saturation imo.

It is not over saturation if you like to attend your local track that only races 16 days a year or you own a 120 rated 3 mile chaser for whom there is only one suitable race each week and that might be 300 miles away. There are far too many low grade races but that is where the demand is.

16 days is plenty - should half that.

wesdag a recipe for the end of the industry as we know it.

The reason for the good number of entries is unlikely because owners are desperate to run their horses on a Sunday evening. Quite simply, the prize money is better than most AW races of the same grade.

My first thoughts when winter Sunday night racing was included in the fixture list was who on earth would go,now if both the card and the weather is reasonable I will go to wollybags Sunday night ,those who don’t fancy it I’m sure will find other things to do.

Jimnast, we loved going to Wolves on a Saturday night as a family, thirty of us went for my sisters 60th including my Dad and we all stayed in the hotel, lovely restaurant and decent group, band after racing. On Sunday's we couldn't do that even though I could go with my wife and a few others. Nice crowd at Wolverhampton as well..

The customer is always right so if people go and punters bet they will continue with Sunday night racing. If they don't they won't. I can see a Sunday evening in summer but under lights? Can't see it.

I don't think they would be too bothered whether people attend the track or not so long as the bets came off course.

Don't forget that owners have a say in where their horse runs and if they don't want to attend on Sunday night the horses won't be entered. The big syndicates will run though.

Thanks Billy alway enjoy a day or night at Wolverhampton.

over-saturation indeed. how much saturation should there be?

correct sparrow

Does a racecourse get a percentage of the bets placed on races at their meeting or is the money pooled over the whole year? I didn't think that a course benefitted directly from increased turnover on a specific meeting. That is the big failure of our system. In the US, the course owns the pool betting on their course so they directly benefit from raising turnover so can offer better facilities and cheaper entry. Chester have gone down that route so it is possible here.

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sageform03 Jan 24 16:07
It does amaze me how many people in racing including jockeys, trainers and punters see more race meetings as a threat because they assume that they have to be ready to compete in or bet on every race. Jockeys are free agents so they can take a couple of weeks off so long as they give notice to anyone who retains them. Trainers can make it clear to owners that they don't run horses on Mondays or Sundays or on the all weather or any other reason and the owner then decides how to react. Even if a trainer does want to race 364 days a year, he has to ensure that staff have regular days off like any other business and it is only the biggest ones who have runners every day. I was a livestock farmer so animals needed feeding 365 days a year but including me there were 4 people who rotated weekends and it worked fine. Punters can specialise in certain types of race or only bet on flat or NH etc. Some people just enjoy watching horses race and don't bet at all. I probably won't watch Sunday evening racing but I don't mind other people doing so.


fell asleep half way through reading this

Excellent post as always, sage.

the only reasonable point to the post was there wasnt one.

he should write a book for insomniacs

forty

Chester certainly haven’t gone down the route of cheaper entry

Arsenal v liverpool Fa Cup clash broadcast on BBC1 will not help viewing figures, shirley?

Well supported by trainers though.

I will support the horse racing myself and would expect others on a horse racing forum to act accordingly.

As others have said, can't blame the authorities for giving it a try
Might be scrapped or be successful

What one expects and what one gets... et cetera, et cetera...

Blah,blah,blah.

Your problem with me Sparrow dates back to when I pointed out that Fraudy had taken you in with the Larabrown hospitalisation fabrication.
You subsequently went Radio rental posting pages and pages of racing results to bury your embarrassment

Not that you still bear a grudge or owt

Yes I do remember your stupid act in bringing back a six month old thread leaf.

I think it's an interesting experiment. I can't recall Sunday night horse racing taking place anywhere

in the World. Maybe it has but this bit of thinking outside the box could pay off. Those who criticize

before the event should wait and see the outcome first. Ave 11 entered per race suggests there is

support from owners and trainers.

Stupid idea for me. Who really wants to come back from a meeting at 9pm+ on a Sunday when there's school/work the next morning. Friday night, all day Saturday, all day Sunday (with an early start if encouraging families) far better options for your weekend entertainment. This is purely bookmakers running the show. If degenerates need a bet, back a dog. Or have a night off and watch the Antigues Roadshow.

I'm an AW fan but can't get excited about this

I don't understand why any other night is ok but not a Sunday where people have the whole day off from work. Maybe just the old tradition I suppose.

exactly whole day off so why wait for 80% of bthe day to pass before holding an event

I watch Horse Racing most days but will not watch this on a Sunday evening,there is enough racing during the weekdays and evenings why do they need this,most people have to work next day so that will put attendances down,and also there is only so much money people can bet during the week.This is not going to get the big punters betting so how is it going to improve any betting turnover.

sparrow, of course it's tradition, racing has decided tradition is dead, they'll be scheduling racing on Xmas Eve and Day before long, 'because people are off work.'

Pornichet in France tonight, last race 7.38 GB time, 8.38 Fr time.

The "most people have to work next day" is a non runner, if it was significant then it would apply to football this evening would it not? Besides the fact that if it were accurate how do you account for weekday attendance when supposedly most should be at work?

At least give it a chance, wasn't so long ago in the UK when Supermarkets could not open on a Sunday!!

Most people have to work the next day when evening meetings are held on other days. Sunday is just another day

I remember having to work six days a week and come my day off on Sunday there was no football or racing so I am very grateful that we no longer live in that world. People on here would take us back to the Dark ages if we let them.

supermarkets arnt open on a sunday night they shut at 4

The point is 1st tp is that a tradition was changed, as sparrow says, if left to some the UK would be back to 3 tv channels in black and white!!

Personally i am not bothered either way, if it works great if not well at least they have tried but i dont want to stop anybody else if they want to have a bet. They have U.S racing on ATR on sunday nights so would rather bet on Wolverhampton if i was going to have a bet.

If it works great and if it doesn't make a profit well at least they tried which is better than doing nothing at all.

Horse racing - the only sport that is run for the sake of it rather than as a spectacle.

Speak for yourself, wesdag. If you don't like it then don't worry about it.

Just an observation.
I doubt the BHA is bothered about my opinion.

No good to sparrow but Ernies Valentine is 17/2 e.w 1st 4 in the 6.30, a good chance it will go very close. tonight.

* 365 only tho

nobody is advocating revisiting the dark ages, even 1timepoofter. but i cant see this as doing much to change racings ills, and i dont think it will be around next year

lol at leafy complaining about grudges having tried desperately to get me removed because i ridiculed his nonsense. the big tart

nothing stands still imo, plenty of people will go out during the day Sunday for lunch etc, seeing grandkids or whatever
get home see the normal sh!t on TV and then remember they are trying something different with Wolves on a Sunday night
you dont have to watch or have a bet its just like any other meeting really, should at least be given a chance.

if you dont have to have a bet or watch or go
who are they trying to attract and why ?

i,d gamble football far more popular than racing and itv 4 often have a la liga game on including madrid/barca with very little interest,not sure who they think will be watching all weather racing on a subscription ch on a sunday night

They are trying to find out if anyone is interested. I must admit that a Sunday is the only night that terrestrial TV will take priority over sport for me but they will never have a better chance with Naas off and Plumpton dross this afternoon.

Why are there no Hospitaliy or restaraunt options on the menu? wages?

Will be at freezing point almost if not feeling like it at early evening.

Why would you drag the kids along with a return to school tomorrow following the xmas hols.

Furthermore, people have normally done their bowlocks over xmas/new year and dont have the spare cash to go racing on a sunday night.

If this was in the Spring or Summer you'd give it a decent chance of being a success.

best ever meeting at plumpton compared to wolves all weather

Good prize money at plumpton today I would hardly describe it as dross unlike jcr run Wincanton yesterday

as I said people more flexible now, not every works Monday to Friday
so they are trying to attract same people as they are trying to attract any other day of the week

can watch racing for free on here on most bookie sites, I dont have RTV on my Sky subs never had
doesnt stop me watching racing either with a bet or watching with the future in mind

so are complaining about something you have no intention of watching? righty ho....

so they are trying to attract same people as they are trying to attract any other day of the week

Nope, not necessarily.

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under 17's free entry but they will want food and drinks so it's hardly a cheap day out.
this is an initiative to attract a wider audience I'd say.

Burger and chips must be a tenner a pop and a pint of guiness approx £7
soft drinks on top for the wains.
"Dad I'm freezing can we go home now"

Leif

How come your going then ?

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so are complaining about something you have no intention of watching? righty ho....






Sums up the objectors perfectly by NEC.

Why exactly isn't it starting now?

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Arsenal v liverpool Fa Cup clash broadcast on BBC1 will not help viewing figures, shirley?

Well supported by trainers though.

Agree with your post although I don't particularly like AW racing but to avoid watching Liverpool I'll be watching it

Man City game was on BBC this afternoon.

Wouldn't watch them either

Well my first contribution to the "off course" markets just went up in smoke at the start. I can't half pick 'em on the aw. I may have to chase losses on Charlie Applebys according to Chappers Personal Message.

I'm glad this meeting is here, better than tumbleweed on a Sunday evening for sure.

People working the next day is the most pathetic argument in the world because most bettors dont attend meetings .Id much rather watch racing on a Sunday night than anything else anyway . I can always watch something else after it .

Born to work get on with it ffs and stop moaning…..

Yeah alright then you've persuaded me

just looking back at 7.00 was Jack Enright not supposed to place (3) on Dutch Kingdom
my eyesight not as great as it was but looked like he took a pull to me close home
would anyone confirm or am I misguided in the fact I needed him to plaice?

im enjoying it,breaks up a sunday evening while the wife watches dramas.

seems like fair fields as a betting proposition.

if the jockeys and trainers dont like it nobodys holding a gun to their head.

charlie fellowes was moaning but 30 grand at 10% aint exactly hardship is it?

ooked like he was worried he'd run into the back of another horse close home so took a pull. Only had 22 rides but its safe to say he's not going to be a Billy Loughnane

*Looked

ok thanks Whippin will give him the benefit of doubt there as it might have been that
was a drifter mind....

I think it has been great and the meeting has fitted in very nicely with the Sunday NFL schedule so I'm all for it.

Add to that a healthy £109K in the placepot and a very decent dividend of £99.30 ( non Tote+) so all good.

thumbs up from me.

Looked like inexperience to me NEC. I'd suggest he needs few more hours on the Equicizer!

racing post says horse short of room and lost a shoe so Im probably being harsh on the young lad

I think the drift was probably more down to the strength in the market for the winner?

possibly good night for the fancied runners, not much use for me
but thar ya go as mick often says Voltaic to bring home the bacon here ew

gl chaps

shocking stuff, get rid of this Sunday night nonsense

always the lucky last to get me in front though

Think it’s a good time slot,fits well with footy.5 million potential customers .
Bookies could offer money back on a bet at wolves if your footy bet loses,10 quid first goal scorer.
Not only does it encourage footy bets,it highlights wolves being on and helps migrate punters over to wolves after footy.

Fancy  Higher Law  in the last


Was made 2/1 fav 19 days ago after only getting pipped in the race before by the in-form She's The Danger with tonight's jockey Lewis Edmonds on the winner with a last night winner behind.

Got struck into down the rail when making headway last time and could get off the mark tonight from a good draw with first time blinkers applied.

beauzon for me,williams running his handicap mark down for a prize like this

lucky last ....gl all

Looked at that one Billy along with Alain Tu = latter has form here and is a poond lower than last win.

Well done Chav..

had it in the book and c/d chav.
I'd put that one in your traker Billy- well h'capped and ran on well- why wide though?

Well done chav and nearly a good call Billy.

was doing two their one last 1/4 furlong and hit the line hard.

10/1 and only 2 WDs ...

WD chav best on forum

thanks mate...3 WDs

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Just carry on with your normal evening activities if you aren't bothered with racing.  Those working people on their day off might just want to go racing.