Famous stewards enquiries

Royal Gait, Vacarme?

the  ballet dancer 2000 g

Yep, thread had me watching the ballet dancer's GNS a moment ago. Interference to Posse was 3f out. Phillip Paquet later received life restricting injuries when riding in HK ( close to being killed) when aboard the same horse that Brian Taylor was to lose his life on. Had previously been called Harvester something when trained by Michael Jarvis.

deptford
2 memorable ones there, Royal Ascot GC 1988 & Richmond at Goodwood 1981?

Who was the thousand guineas winner that was thrown out ?

Bloke in a Wheel Chair owned it

casemoney
Not sure, I remember a bit of a rumpus in a 2000 guineas around 1980!

Oh, Jacqueline Quest?

Quest won fair and square. Just drifted across the track,plus was in the 2010s.

Docklands Express about 1990?
Getting the April Sandown race after a stewards, the last big race of the traditional season back then, what's it called?

Was just eased across the course all the way from the last to the line

Remember it cos it won me a few quid and I'd have been fuming if on the fptp

Kim Bailey horse as I recall

Whitbread? Just came to me

And Cahervillahow... Didn't Google, honestly

Memory takes a while these days

There was a world hurdle one that I think continued after the next race.think winner got overturned

Crimson Embers?

Mr Confusion - 1992 John Smiths Magnet Cup at York.

Backed it antepost and he won cosily but was ridiculously demoted to third by the stewards.
Was then reinstated as winner on appeal.

2000 guineas 1980
It was a bit of a rough race but Nureyev won it fair and square.
Eddery finished 3rd on Posse, on dismounting shouted Pacquet (Nureyev) nearly killed me.
Result changed for Known Fact, first classic for Khalid Abdullah.

Dep. yeah.rose ravine race.

If im right first 2 owned by same person

Deptford
That’s a good one, nearly started the thread with this!
Rose Ravine, nearly put Crimson Embers on the members lawn after the last.
The jockey on CE was allegedly ordered not to object by the same owner as the winner….presumably as Rose Ravine was a mare & black type would be prevented!

Just a few from top of head..

1972 Chelt Gold Cup  Glencaraig Lady/Royal Toss.. 2nd obj.
1989 Oaks.. Aliysa - doping
1998 Juddmonte Intl.. Eddery/Dettori/Fallon all whip violations, caused a change in whip rules..
2007 Prix de l'Arc... Dylan Thomas/Fallon - French Stewards - result stood..

Bumper at Chelts, think Rhinestone Cowboy was involved

Then there's last year's Norfolk Stakes.. The Ridler/Paul Hanagan furore..

Yes, the Cheltenham bumper one I was on the wrong end of
Nearly put mine over the rails

Pocket talking of course

Yes, that was the one I would have put up. Pizarro for O'Grady/Spencer. To this day I think that result dubious because O'Grady trained for Magnier (the owner of the second), and this came a couple of years after the Nick Dundee disappointment. A case of the second not wanting the win?

Rock Roi lost a couple of Gold Cups in the early 70's.

Chances of Jacqueline Quest being thrown out in 2023?

That was Her Saxon , dreadful to Throw her out ..

What was the Horse was 20 clear Jockey Pulled it up on the all weather got done on line ,Was it fallon on it , there was a Stewards into why he pulled it up

Never forget Pround Tarquin being Slung out , Oakesy was on it , Race given to the Dikler I was a kid had a few Shillings on Tarquin

Not sure case, but remember Willie Carson retiring after letting one up his inside to do him on the line at Lingfield... He never looked left, absolutely cantering

Whitbread gold cup Would never be thrown out today

Ballinger Ridge at Lingfeld
But that was not a stewards to amend result

To casemoney

Was there one at The Breeders Cup regarding a French trained filly?

Toast of New York was robbed of a Classic imo

Every flippin day that’s an automatic DQ.

Sagace and Cahervillahow, two worst reversals in betting history btw Casemoney Battleship Bruce the more likely horse you are thinking of, Seb Sanders but same as Ballinger no Stewards?

Buz Khazi which easily won at Royal Ascot by about 10 lengths and was disqualified.

That's the one Saxon ,was Certainly a Stewards after the Event

Emma Spencer/Ramsden  Rode a horse I backed won half the Track was Disqualified for Crossing too Early from the Stalls

I'm sure the Race was further than a Mile

Anyone on here remember a Stewards Going their  way ?

I was in USA with the Mrs at Delta Downs we Bet the Winner had the cast With the 3rd , Next thing Objection by the 2nd and Stewards,I thought WTF

Result of Objection and Stewards they through the 2nd out for taking the thirds Ground HOLD ALL TICKETS !!

That's the one Saxon ,was Certainly a Stewards after the Event

Emma Spencer/Ramsden  Rode a horse I backed won half the Track was Disqualified for Crossing too Early from the Stalls

I'm sure the Race was further than a Mile

Anyone on here remember a Stewards Going their  way ?

I was in USA with the Mrs at Delta Downs we Bet the Winner had the cast With the 3rd , Next thing Objection by the 2nd and Stewards,I thought WTF

Result of Objection and Stewards they through the 2nd out for taking the thirds Ground HOLD ALL TICKETS !!

Knockando in the Magnet cup, the York stewards were the worst.

Taufans Melody @Ascot.Backed on the Nanny & 25/1.
Arctic Courier @Kempton was a stewards that went my way for a nice few quid.

Cecil’s Sabrehill at Newbury lives in the memory, early 90s. Muis Roberts nudged one sideways about 3f out to get a clear run, shot clear and won half the track. Thrown out

Rock Hopper getting the race at Royal Ascot early 90s,Irish horse disqualified for interference to others some 4 furlongs out.I backed Rock Hopper could not believe the enquiry as the interference was so far out and for my horse to get the race was astounding.

Kooyonga -Royal Ascot 1992.I'd arrived in London a week before with £500in my pocket-her disqualification cost me £2500.

Topanoora was the horse that lost the race to Rock Hopper.

Thanks couldn't remember the name

Around 1983 at Ayr Scottish National meeting I strongly fancied the GWR trained Noddys Ryde, ridden by Johnny Francome. When I walked on to the track, I bumped into an auld boy I knew who worked in the weighing room. I asked him what's the word today.He said Thommy Craig had told them all that they had to back his horse,High Hills(?),in Noddys Ryde's race. Noddys Ryde was FPP...High Hills runner-up.Stewards Inquiry called...Noddys disqualified and High Hills got the race!Looks like the Stewards had also taken Thommy's advice! Francome was scathing of the Stewards...said it was the worst Stewards decision he ever witnessed...and he'd never ride at Ayr again! The plots..the skullduggery...just love it all...especially, if occassionally, you get your card marked...and even more sweet, if once in a while, you manage to solve the puzzle and put all the pieces together yerself!

dylan thomas arc

Finmental at Ayr

Slight interference at the three furlong mark and won easily,disqualified with owner boiling and acting in a threatening manner imo

Had a small fortune riding on Cahervillahow in the 1991 Whitbread Gold Cup

I remember it well,scandalous

Rock Roi losing two consecutive Gold Cups takes some beating in the hard luck stakes. Once for failing a dope test and other for interference. Can`t think of another horse losing the same Group 1 race in consecutive years.

Rose Ravine/ Crimson Embers, Stayers hurdle at Chelt, R/R carved C/E up on the run in, odds on to lose it but result stood as both owned by same owner and trained by same trainer, F Walwyn i think.

I was at Exeter on a Friday afternoon probably around 25 years ago the winner I think it was one of those Kentford  horses carted the 2 nd right across the track after jumping the last hurdle ,I had absolutely no doubt the runner up would get it and it was backed down to around 5s on to get the race,it didn’t and I’ve never tried since to have an

opinion on a stewards enquiry.


It would be similar to the rose ravine crimson embers incident

Crop

Yes both trained by fw and owned by sally smart both were champion stayers ridden by Stuart shilston  ton and Ricky Pusey

I did look the jockeys up whilst I knew Stuart shilston rode crimson I hadn’t a clue about rose

Screaming will remember the Exeter race it was on a Friday clashing with ascot he’s sure to have been there

All the best everyone stay safe

Somebody mentioned Ramsden and Felon and Rafferty's Rules is something else, found guilty of a blatant non trier offence they were fined just over £400 ish.

Anybody remember  Dharma rains race first 6 disqualified. HAPPY NEW YEAR  TO ALL THE GOOD PEOPLE  ON HERE.

ronnie, was that a jumps race and not that long either?   Happy New Year to you.

*not that long ago

Sparrow  it was something  to do about  jumping  the last hurdle  the first  six home did not jump it.i wonder  what your pal from sarthe Landon would  think of the game know.
Ronnie.

Any  one one here remember  one of Lester's getting  booted out after winning  7 lengths  is was unlucky  then as I am know.by for know just opened  a bottle  of bollinger.

Ii you mean Sid(wee eck) we were from East London and I think he would have plenty to say about the current situation.

Sparrow  you are correct  and yes he was from the east end was he a regular  at Joe's club.

Yes one of those two spielers in Stoke Newington the other one was to do with the twins.

Ronnie/ Sparrow, Wee Eck came to Yarmouth a few times but one of the many blanks in my memory since the stroke, I do remember though he arranged to meet in the Carlton Hotel and saying it smelled like an old folks home, stale urine and sticky carpets etc, an honest chap imvho.

anyone remember one of Carsons geting booted out at Newcastle on Plate day think it was one for Alex Scott,won by about 4l but barged his way out and got done  for irresponsible riding. think he had another 5 winners on the card as well but i was of course on the one that got booted.

oddest i remember was on the day Celtic Swing ran in the 2000 Guineas.

The biggest chase of the day was at Uttoxeter, 4 runners, Strath Royal went off fav and won easily
Ex Irish horse River Tarquin was also in it

2nd was disqualified, nothing else finished, CSF was paid out on Strath Royal and anything else at 1.80

scramble for discarded dockets, i gave up and counter staff sorted it out later in the week

jimnast - you might be thinking of Boring Goring/Keltic Heritage. Boring was in orangey colours, but it wasn't a Kentford horse. Keltic was a grey.

My 'favourite' though it wasn't famous, but pocket, was a Henry Cecil horse, Quandary. It had spreadeagled a field of maidens in its previous race at Lingfield, and looked a late-developing 4yo, and was carrying top weight in an ordinary hcap mid-week at Yarmouth. I was working in an office, and nipped out to the bookies for first show to try to get a price. It opened 7s, which I thought was generous, so had my bet. I then watched as it drifted to 10s. I thought a fiddle didn't make sense, so I had more on. In the race, it was going well coming to the final furlong, but in a pocket behind the leaders, and Philip Robinson pushed his way through, the horse bolted clear and won running away by 3 lengths (at 12s). I was a little apprehensive, but he didn't cause much damage coming through, and won so easily that I was pretty confident he'd keep it - but he didn't. The irony was that the 2nd, who got the race, was Julie Cecil's Domappel.  Quandary won his next 2 races, going up in class each time, winning a Listed by 6 lengths - all of that made it worse - and then went to stud, siring little of note.

One cup final day just before the  BBC cameras switched over to Wembley Sauceboat won a race at Newbury at 11/1 that I had backed,I think the lightweight Richard Fox rode it for Murless. After the final whistle a good couple of hours later we were told Sauce boat had been disqualified.

Nowhere near famous but it sticks very firmly in my mind.  40 years ago. Epsom: rank outsider in 12f handicap. Had been running over 14f. 12 f was its distance. Had it in a yankee. Not a big bet but I didn't have much. Took it up 2f out and was keeping on. Challenged on inside and suddenly went left down the slope. Not jockey's fault and would have won anyway (Brian Jago as I recall rode.) Disqualified. Of course 2 others in my yankee won. Galling thing: it would not have been disqualified today by our current useless stewards. That said: Nureyev was disqualified in the 2000 guines is a bit more famous. The Queen Anne is def the most dramatic. Unchallengeable.

I do prefer the present day heavy bias towards those ptp first. Another that would have kept the race nowadays would been Shardari in the Great Voltigeur. Gave the one paced Damister a bump as he came through but won on merit and would have beat the runner up no matter how many times they’d have re run the race. Watched the raced in the members stand - Terry Ramsden was on the step in front, taking little interest in the race, smooching with his then partner who if memory serves dumped him when things all went tits up.

One of the most famous ones of all, though the result was unchanged, was the one in which 18yo Lester Piggott got a 6 month suspension in the 1954 King Edward VII at Ascot. Sir Gordon Richards won the race, having hung right most of the way up the straight, inconveniencing several horses, but Piggott tried to come up the inside early in the straight, which Richards didn't like. The Ascot stewards originally objected to Richards, but then Richards started blaming Piggott and the stewards changed their minds, and referred the matter on. Here's a clip which shows a bit of the action, and you can see how much Richards' horse (pale colours, dark sleeves) hung up the straight. Piggott did hardly anything wrong, but got the book thrown at him.

https://twitter.com/horsevault/status/1340988999591145472

It was basically a case of the authorities wanting to bring him down a few pegs to put a stop to his aggressive riding, and siding with a 54yo knight rather than an uppity teenager, even though it was the former who'd committed the majority of the riding offence in this race.

Can somebody, Ged? put me right here re Ged's link to that 1954 race on Twitter.

They've labelled two horses one Piggott [Never Say Die] on the rails and one Richards [Rashleigh] on the outside. Yet Piggott's horse Never Say Die, well known for his big white blaze down the face, and is not the horse on the rails that's labelled 'Piggott'. Never Say Die is just on the inside of Rashleigh, 3 off the rails.
The one on the rails appears to be the French horse ridden by R. Poincelet, who goes on to finish 2nd and suffers most interference.  Never Say Die doesn't appear to be hampered and just runs on into 4th place.

Can't understand how Piggott was involved.  Richards barely interfered with Never Say Die.

Smoky - yes, the labelling of 'Piggott' is wrong in the vid. As you say, Never Say Die had a white blaze, and is 3 off the rail very soon after the clip starts. The horse on the rail is Poincelet's mount, Tarjoman. Immediately before this clip starts, there was a horse between Never Say Die and Rashleigh (Garter), who is the one dropping back in pale colours. He was squeezed between Rashleigh amd Never Say Die as Rashleigh angled in (only Richards knew if that was a deliberate manouevre to stop Piggott coming through - if it was, he wasn't going to admit to it, but Rashleigh was obviously hanging anyway. Rashleigh was 5/1, Never Say Die 7/4).

aah ok, thanks Ged.. I thought I was going doolally.. Piggott harshly treated for sure.   6 months for that !..

I read  Michael Seth-Smith’s ‘ Knight of the Turf’ in November and the whole incident is only afforded 20 lines and not surprisingly contains no criticism of Gordon. The stewards withdrew their objection to the winner after interviewing the two main protagonists along with Rickaby, Gosling and Poincelet. At the hearing that followed in London they withdrew Lester’s licence after considering his dangerous riding on several occasions both during the previous and current seasons, and that he'd  been warned several times. Sounds like some sort of subjective, loosely applied totting up procedure.

Thanks for that, it adds some perspective to it.

As a sideline, strange that a Derby winner would turn out again so soon, in the King Edward VII..

Good morning ged and a very happy new year to you

Your absolutely right those are the two horses I was referring to.

jimnast - good morning, and same to you.

vl - yes that's just what it was, a loosely applied totting up ban. I'd be surprised if Poincelet's evidence was either understood, or taken into account, as you can see from the clip that he stopped riding when Richards almost put him through the rail, and then Richards came across him again in the final stages, whereas Piggott was never near him.


As for Derby winners running at Ascot, it used to be quite common, though they most commonly ran in the St James Palace if they did go there, and usually won it when they did. Between 1900 and 1953, 9 Derby winners ran in the SJP, and 8 won, the other being 2nd; 3 ran in, and won the Prince of Wales Stakes (a different race then), and one won the Hardwicke. Only one ran in the King Edward VII (then called the Ascot Derby), finishing 3rd (beaten by the Derby 4th). Of the other Derby winners during that period, 3 were fillies that ran in the Oaks, 6 never ran again (one died), 4 ran next in the Grand Prix de Paris (3 of them being French).

..those were the days.  Apart from wooden running rails.

Good old days iyo Smoky? Concrete posts,pis$ed jockeys, no TV pics in betting shops, 16+ handicap for 4 places, betting tax, horses placed behind any interfered with, few camera patrols etc etc?

The brilliant unbeaten Nureyev, won the 2000gns coming from last place, stewards called, and Brough Scott said as they were going off air, don't worry if you back the winner go and collect.
Don't think the horse  being French helped, the horse never raced again.

The suffragette a sunken ship and the 1913 Epsom Derby is a fabulous story involving a stewards inquiry .Worth reading about .Sir Mark Prescott was talking about in an interview I saw ,I think one of his relations might have been one of the stewards.

Nureyev would be 1.1 to keep it, even in 2024 and also even if the BHA/Stewards were going through one of their by-the-book phases.
Apparently, he was disqualified for the minor drift right at the end, even though well ahead, causing the 3rd horse to drift towards Known Fact.
There were no instances of contact/bumping.

https://youtu.be/Iacyioh9Huk?si=Mia2zLXpFQ_4MBdd

1980 2000 Gns 2mins Nureyev big white blaze.

Scandalous home decision and worse than any French turnover since.

Slightly rem on from yesteryear involving Lester P, I don't rem the horses just the termanolgy used, Bumping Boring and taking my ground.

Was a three way go in a sprint,don't think anything was changed.

Was on wrong end of the bag blowing accross track and cheese eater getting thrown out in the gp1 and carvillahow, never ever found out why it was chucked but had a decent bet on it, think I took 11/2 as well, was bigger on day(as ever).

thought the ballet dancer was disq for interference leaving the stalls inside the 1st furlong ?

French oss was Royal Gait at Ascot, thats what I was told,Jinked away from a bit of summit blowing in wind although was that not the start of the being zapped but ultrasonic jizmo hidden in a pair of bins

*claims

I always felt the bad decision by the stewards at royal ascot was a factor in royal gait keeping the champion hurdle after interference with oh so risky

I am getting mixed up, the same day Royal Gait was disc the Harwood horse inexplicably chucked it's pilot off, (Grevile Starkey) was leading down the middle of track, later transpired it had been the target of the special bins in some drugs trial months later.
Twas it that had been spooked by the bag in wind.

Backed it as well as Royal Gait, bad day at the office. Il de chypre was it's name.

The 1992 champion hurdle won by Royal Gait, yea rem that was on Granville Again, was so convinced it would have won i had a silly amount of cash on it following year, watching the footage on YT I don't know how the fvk I came to that conclusion although my eyesight is not so great now and YT footage pretty poor

It did win following year again I felt beaten dumbly  holding a 9/2 AP ticket about a 13/2 shot, it was a hot race on paper but won without much ado.

These small wins were few and far between, but good memories of times past, unfortunately the winnings mostly got recycled.

Now it's a mission to try and turn a profit and hold on to it, getting harder and harder  but still very a very enjoyable pastime.

Anyone got any tips?