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by Chris Cook this morning in the Front Runner, Racing Post :

The racing world was alerted to an imminent landmark last week when Hayley Turner tweeted a picture of herself, being led in aboard a winner she'd just ridden at Chelmsford. Above it, she wrote: "998!"

Yes, the jockey who blazed a trail for other women in British Flat racing is close to her thousandth success. The timing looked uncanny because Turner's next two rides were both fancied, one at Redcar on Friday and then Docklands in the Balmoral Handicap which closes Champions Day - what a way to do it!

"That would have been nice," says Turner, a shade wistfully. "That was the dream." She has an alternative in mind, as we'll find out, but the odds also seem against it.

First, I wanted to check her maths because her many winners in Britain over the past 23 years add up to 976. There's also been a winner in Ireland, Arthurian Fame in the Microsoft Cup at Leopardstown a few years ago.

As it turns out, Turner has enjoyed quite a bit of overseas success over the years. "I've got 21 abroad," she says and tries to reel off all the countries where she's ridden winners. "France, Italy, Germany, Mauritius, South Africa, America, Japan. I think that's it..."

The one of those I remember clearly would be I'm A Dreamer, who finished strongly to win the Beverly D, a Grade 1, at Arlington Park, Chicago back in 2012.

That means Turner is now one of those athletes whose career has outlived a venue where they enjoyed major success. Arlington staged its final race in 2021 and was bought by the Chicago Bears. Demolition of the grandstand was completed last month.

Setting aside such sad thoughts, I ask which of her overseas jaunts was the most fun. "South Africa," she says, "because that tied in with a holiday they put on for jockeys that's always been quite good fun. America was the highlight, of course."

When you reach a major milestone, it's natural to look back and reflect on the journey. So much has changed for jockeys since Turner started out, and in particular for female jockeys. Her success has opened up many eyes to possibilities they had not previously considered.

"It's nice to see how well the girls are doing," she says. "The standard of female riders these days is so much better. You look at the likes of Hollie and Saffie and it makes me quite proud to see how much easier it's getting for them all and how much more respect they get.

"I always remember my first winner without my claim, that was one of the most satisfying. I thought, 'Oh my word, I could actually do this for a living.'

"I never expected to do as well as I have done. I didn't even dream of it, really."

These days, she notes, booking a female jockey to compete against men is an unremarkable act. Older fans of the game will readily remember a time when this was not the case.

"It was always an issue. Michael Bell had to battle with the owners. He put me forward. And then, when I got the chance, I took it."

With the full benefit of hindsight, Turner reckons she "probably shouldn't have retired" at the end of 2015. "I just needed a year out at the time."

After a bit of broadcasting, she returned to the saddle full-time in 2018 and has since ridden four winners at Royal Ascot. The first of those ended a barren run of 32 years for female jockeys at the royal meeting but Hollie Doyle and Laura Pearson have since had their own moments there, helping to normalise what had once been unusual.

Does she have an idea of when she might once more call time on her career? That question gets kicked into the long grass where it belongs. Turner's career is evidently fruitful, enjoyable and sustainable.

"I'm still paying my mortgage, I'm enjoying it, I'm doing okay. You look at the likes of Joe Fanning, Franny Norton, Rab Havlin, Rab's riding better than ever and he's ten years older.

"We're quite lucky as athletes that we can continue to a certain age, whereas footballers only have very short careers." We discuss the support made available to riders through the Injured Jockeys Fund and the Professional Jockeys Association which makes the job so much more attractive these days.

"It's less lonely, you're getting looked after a lot. It's amazing to see how far it's come since I started."

She is a key part of the operation at Harry Eustace's stable, for whom she rode Docklands to win the Britannia at Royal Ascot four months ago. "It's a really fun yard to be involved in.

"I think that's what I always enjoyed about being at Michael Bell's, being in the team. I'd ride out from the yard and get on really well with the staff and you know the horses better.

"I ride out for David Simcock as well. He's been a big supporter of mine from day one."

Simcock will be her ally today as Turner seeks to get her 999th win, on Pourquoi in a 1m3½f handicap at Yarmouth. And then ... who knows? Does she have in her mind any ideal plan for how she would reach 1,000?

"I'd have liked it to be at Southwell, just because my first ride was there and obviously it's my home town. I know it's not the most glamorous, people would think Ascot would be ideal, but I just think it would be a nice story.

"Especially because my nana used to go there all the time to watch me. We've got a bench at Southwell which says: 'In memory of Nana Bunny, Hayley Turner's biggest fan'. It's a really popular bench, right by the paddock where she used to stand."

But the timing of last week's storm was unfortunate. Southwell is still flooded. Its next four fixtures, up to and including November 4, have been abandoned and I wouldn't bet on the November 15 fixture taking place either, though we can cross our fingers and wish everyone well as they try to restore order.

The next time Turner rides there, I expect she'll be comfortably into four-figures.
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Report formoftheace • October 25, 2023 3:13 PM BST
Nope I just don’t do a hero,apart from the military

Being a jockey is a job to earn a living like any other job or profession,they get paid for the job they love doing,we hear it all the time

People go through life in the same job big deal……work,earn,retire and enjoy….ffs
Report The Management • October 25, 2023 3:15 PM BST
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f4rty just can't help himself. Delusions of grandeur. Has an opinion on everything which is fair enough - but so lacking in self awareness, that he's under the illusion that people want to hear his pathetic opinions on everything.

Get yourself a cat - and talk to that ffs.
Report Tattcorner • November 4, 2023 12:55 PM GMT
One more to go and 3 more mounts at Newmarket...

Sat 4 Nov Newmarket
13:37
Modern Verse
Betfred 'Hot Shots' Nursery
7 Runners, Class 4, 1m 1f
40/1

Sat 4 Nov Newmarket
14:10
Prince of Zenda
Betfred Play Fred's 5 Million Handicap
14 Runners, Class 3, 1m
7/1

Sat 4 Nov Newmarket
15:57
Bernardo O'Reilly
Betfred 'Passionate About Sport' Handicap
17 Runners, Class 4, 7f
14/1
Report ashleigh • November 7, 2023 6:41 PM GMT
Hayley not likely going to get a better chance of getting the 1000 up with Britinnica in the 8-00 at Newcastle.
seems to be taking as long as it took Andrew Thornton.Laugh
Report swiftynifty • November 7, 2023 6:45 PM GMT
1000 and out?
Report hulk23 • November 7, 2023 6:55 PM GMT
good chance, 3 horse race & one of them's a Sir Mark project job.  final spin over 7 furlongs before it's handicap debut over 2 miles.
Report HappyHibby • November 7, 2023 7:09 PM GMT
final spin over 7 furlongs before it's handicap debut over 2 miles.

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then dots up a couple of times...goes to the sales and some pillock pays a quarter of a million for it to go twig hopping.
Report sparrow • November 7, 2023 7:54 PM GMT
Souffionne for me here.
Report sparrow • November 7, 2023 8:04 PM GMT
Get in there.
Report 11kv • November 7, 2023 8:06 PM GMT
WD sparrow
Report sparrow • November 7, 2023 8:10 PM GMT
Cheers, 11kv.
Report 11kv • November 7, 2023 8:17 PM GMT
Going take Hayley a bit longer....
Report sparrow • November 7, 2023 8:21 PM GMT
City of Delight now handicapped might give her a chance at Kempton tomorrow night.
Report SlippyBlue • November 7, 2023 8:22 PM GMT
Good work Sparrow.
Report sparrow • November 7, 2023 8:25 PM GMT
Thanks, slippy.
Report impossible123 • November 7, 2023 8:26 PM GMT
I'm surprised very few outside trainers use Ms Turner. I think she's as good if not better than most present better supported female jockeys. Another is Ms Gordon.
Report 11kv • November 7, 2023 8:26 PM GMT
Long trip to Newcastle for one,will check her rides tomorrow then at Kempton.
Report sparrow • November 7, 2023 8:29 PM GMT
Only ride at Kempton.
Report HappyHibby • November 7, 2023 8:34 PM GMT
always had it in my mind she would get the 1000 on a Simcock horse.
Report HappyHibby • November 8, 2023 5:34 PM GMT
i've noticed over the last few days trainers HT normally rides for have had plenty of runners yet she hasn't been on any of them...

makes me think she has one lined up and is keeping it for a special occasion...

i might be wrong tho.
Report 11kv • November 8, 2023 6:00 PM GMT
No money tonight,got one for Owen Promotions Newcastle Saturday....
Report 11kv • November 8, 2023 6:08 PM GMT
Botti having a few winners praps he could dig one out for her..
Report sparrow • November 8, 2023 6:08 PM GMT
One ride and she gets left 3 lengths.
Report HappyHibby • November 8, 2023 6:09 PM GMT
no idea if/when Southwell is back on 11kv...

but i have a sneaky feeling she would like to get the thousand up at her home track...

i could be totally wrong tho.
Report hulk23 • November 8, 2023 6:16 PM GMT
no point doing it when nobody's watching.

itv cameras are at newcastle on saturday Wink
Report swiftynifty • November 8, 2023 6:19 PM GMT
nothing sneaky Hibs you probably read it

"I'd have liked it to be at Southwell, just because my first ride was there and obviously it's my home town. I know it's not the most glamorous, people would think Ascot would be ideal, but I just think it would be a nice story.

"Especially because my nana used to go there all the time to watch me. We've got a bench at Southwell which says: 'In memory of Nana Bunny, Hayley Turner's biggest fan'. It's a really popular bench, right by the paddock where she used to stand."
Report HappyHibby • November 8, 2023 6:34 PM GMT
as i said swifty i've no idea if Southwell is raceable now or in the near future...

i know it was flooded...

and i knew Southwell was her home track so i put 2 and 2 together and came up with 22.
Report HappyHibby • November 8, 2023 6:38 PM GMT
but there's no doubt she hasn't been taking rides over the last few days she probably could have ridden...

Balding...Eustace...Simcock...

which says to me she is saving her next winner for a big occasion...

maybe Newcastle as Hulk says...

maybe Southwell...

i could be completely wrong and it could end up being at Lingfield or Great leighs.
Report swiftynifty • November 8, 2023 6:47 PM GMT
she rode that fav last night that was expected, I think it really is a case that she's out of favour, hence i suggested 1000 and out.
Report HappyHibby • November 8, 2023 6:58 PM GMT
from what i remember the Balding horse drifted and the Palmer horse was backed swifty...

but as my memory is poor i have probably got that the wrong way around.
Report HappyHibby • November 8, 2023 6:59 PM GMT
and she does ride for Palmer (especially at Chester tbf).
Report HappyHibby • November 8, 2023 7:16 PM GMT
Chelmsford 7:00 Thursday night..

Red Jewel...

pretty sure she has ridden that a few times before...

she ain't on it...

she's definitely holding back for the big day imv.

she probably could have ridden Flag Carrier in the 5:30 also.
Report impossible123 • November 9, 2023 8:32 AM GMT
Ms Hayley does not get the same support as some other "senior" female jocks. Of topic: Waht was the reason Ms Gordon is no longer riding for Palmer? She was a headline female jock not so long ago. If a trainer is merely exercising their "duty or commitment" to owners I can understand.

I hope Ms Hayley does not retire post 1000 unless she does not want to do it anymore.
Report HappyHibby • November 10, 2023 7:36 PM GMT
Makinmedoit ???
Report HappyHibby • November 11, 2023 11:14 AM GMT
the cash has come...
Report second again • November 11, 2023 11:32 AM GMT
I remember when Stan Mellor was on 999 winners and it was big news at the time as no NH jockey had ridden 1,000 winners. I cannot remember how many rides it took but if I had bet on them with the martingale staking plan I would have ran out of cash. He did eventually get there but many a bookie had a Caribbean holiday that year.
Report Hayden • November 11, 2023 11:43 AM GMT
On 10 December 1971, Mellor rode his 999th winner at Cheltenham. Despite another six rides there the next day, he couldn't add to it. Mellor spent another week trying to pass the landmark, racking up seven more losers in the process. His wife travelled with him every day so as not to miss the celebrations.

Finally, at Nottingham on 18 December 1971, he piloted grey gelding Ouzo to victory in the otherwise unremarkable Christmas Spirit Novices' Chase, thus becoming the first jump jockey to ride 1,000 winners. Dismounting from Ouzo, Mellor proclaimed it "a great relief" and was presented with an inscribed silver salver by his wife on behalf of the racecourse.[5]
Report second again • November 11, 2023 11:48 AM GMT
I knew it was Ouzo but could not remember much more.
Report HappyHibby • November 11, 2023 12:05 PM GMT
Hayley has been waiting for 'the big day'...

absolutely no doubt in my mind...

still think it will happen at Southwell (if it is raceable of course).
Report shoodacoodadidnt • November 11, 2023 1:39 PM GMT
The next one will be the one - breathing fire ;)
Report shoodacoodadidnt • November 11, 2023 3:18 PM GMT
Maybe not - more like a lamb
Report 11kv • November 13, 2023 12:10 PM GMT
Couple at Dunstall tonight.
Report TameTheTiger • November 13, 2023 12:16 PM GMT
is she still on 998 ?
Report penzance • November 13, 2023 12:22 PM GMT
999.Rode a wnr a week or so ago.
Report HappyHibby • November 13, 2023 12:52 PM GMT
is Southwell (pronounced Suthall) fit for racing atm ?
Report impossible123 • November 13, 2023 12:59 PM GMT
Southwell could return to racing this month, but with the public. It's waterlogged, and some infrastructures will need major repairs or replacements apparently.
Report HappyHibby • November 13, 2023 1:46 PM GMT
can't see Hayley waiting that long tbh...

i reckon option B is ride her 1000th on a Simc0ck horse.
Report penzance • November 13, 2023 1:48 PM GMT
She'll take no 1000 on any rnr.
Report Tattcorner • November 13, 2023 3:44 PM GMT
Katstar for Harry Eustace in the 5.00 Wolv was as high as 22/1 this morning and down to 14/1 at present (Sea the Stars gelding). 

The 5.30 mount, Twilight Melody (25/1) for Joseph Parr at least has some experience on some of these and ran prominently before tiring on soft last time.  Wouldn't be surprised if she ran quite well again.
Report stewarts rise • November 13, 2023 5:23 PM GMT
Wonder why she's having her 1st ever ride on one of Parrs' horses here, he does quite well at wolver with a SR of 19%.
Report HappyHibby • November 14, 2023 2:13 PM GMT
surely Hayley could've ridden this Balding horse at Newcastle ?
Report HappyHibby • November 14, 2023 2:15 PM GMT
mind you maybe 'The Abdullah's' don't want a lassie riding ?
Report HappyHibby • November 14, 2023 2:21 PM GMT
a missed opportunity there.
Report HappyHibby • November 14, 2023 4:39 PM GMT
Hayley not on Fidelius ???

strange.
Report Tattcorner • November 14, 2023 4:48 PM GMT
I think at least she should be giving Star Zinc a good go in the 6.30 Wolves.
Timeform :
Preference is for STAR ZINC, who was a comfortable winner at Newcastle earlier this month and remains on a workable mark. Thapa Vic and Intervention have both performed well here recently and head the list of dangers.
Report HappyHibby • November 15, 2023 5:36 PM GMT
surprised Hayley didn't ride Sir Les patterson there.
Report Hayden • November 15, 2023 5:39 PM GMT
You've just created a vision in my head that i can't shake off Hibby by that comment  Cry
Report HappyHibby • November 15, 2023 5:45 PM GMT
i don't think she is a shrinking violet tbh Hayden.
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 5:56 PM GMT
Tradesman...?
Report sparrow • November 21, 2023 5:57 PM GMT
I hink it could be the one here.
Report sparrow • November 21, 2023 5:58 PM GMT
*think
Report stewarts rise • November 21, 2023 6:05 PM GMT
Hope she remembers the way to the winners enclosure, wouldn't want her to return via the tradesmans entrance.
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:06 PM GMT
always thought it would be on a Simc0ck horse tbh sparrow.
Report sparrow • November 21, 2023 6:06 PM GMT
Get in there, Hayley.
Report sparrow • November 21, 2023 6:07 PM GMT
Yes I remember you saying that, hibby.
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk • November 21, 2023 6:09 PM GMT
Now for the next thousand
Report swiftynifty • November 21, 2023 6:11 PM GMT
HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:06 PM GMT
always thought it would be on a Simc0ck horse tbh sparrow.


Hibby, a lot of artistic licence there!

but there's no doubt she hasn't been taking rides over the last few days she probably could have ridden...

Balding...Eustace...Simcock...

which says to me she is saving her next winner for a big occasion...


no idea if/when Southwell is back on 11kv...

but i have a sneaky feeling she would like to get the thousand up at her home track...


at least she finally got there!
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:12 PM GMT
i thought it might be at Southwell also tbf...

but Simc0ck was always a hot favourite imv...

hope you got on sparrow.
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:13 PM GMT
no that's fair swifty...

i did say i thought it would be on a Simc0ck horse somewhere on this thread tho.
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:14 PM GMT
HappyHibby Joined: 18 Oct 02

always had it in my mind she would get the 1000 on a Simcock horse.

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Report swiftynifty • November 21, 2023 6:14 PM GMT
I know you did somewhere! I think she'd have taken any winner , just her rides had dried up.
Report the dealer • November 21, 2023 6:18 PM GMT
Well done to Haley, 1000 winners is no mean feet for anyone
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:20 PM GMT
i think she was waiting for...

a) a big one

b) a Simc0ck one

or

c) a Southwell one swifty.

there have been plenty she could have ridden recently imv.
Report swiftynifty • November 21, 2023 6:21 PM GMT
Let's see if she starts having 4 rides a day then , I doubt it.
Report stewarts rise • November 21, 2023 6:22 PM GMT
Or feat.
Not much left for her to achieve really, maybe she'll retire again.
Report sparrow • November 21, 2023 6:23 PM GMT
A fine achievement by Hayley and as dealers says "1000 winners is no mean feat".
Report ashleigh • November 21, 2023 6:23 PM GMT
well done Hayley, has she announced her retirement yet?
Report the dealer • November 21, 2023 6:24 PM GMT
Feet Laugh

Thanks Sr
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:24 PM GMT
no she won't swifty...

but there were horses i'm sure she COULD have ridden recently but wanted it to be on a Simc0ck horse...

especially one she knows well.
Report swiftynifty • November 21, 2023 6:25 PM GMT
she needs to see a chiropodist sharpish
Report themightymac • November 21, 2023 6:25 PM GMT
Well done Hayley. A magnificent achievement!
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:26 PM GMT
i hope Hayley remembers who was giving her support on here in the early days.
Report sparrow • November 21, 2023 6:27 PM GMT
No females were getting support on here in her early days Grin
Report DonegalPrince • November 21, 2023 6:27 PM GMT
Fair play to her. She was the first female jockey I had reasonable confidence in backing on the flat against the top class male jockeys. She has above average tactical intelligence and was strong enough in a finish. She deserves that.
Report swiftynifty • November 21, 2023 6:28 PM GMT
HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:26 PM GMT
i hope Hayley remembers who was giving her support on here in the early days.


why, will she soon be joining us?!
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:29 PM GMT
i was supporting her when she had that jockey mike thingy on at Epsom one day sparrow...

pretty sure she asked Kieren Fallon if he wanted room or something.
Report sparrow • November 21, 2023 6:32 PM GMT
You sure it wasn't Spencer, hibby?
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:34 PM GMT
pretty sure it was King Kieren sparrow...

wouldn't be the first time i was wrong on here tho.
Report sparrow • November 21, 2023 6:39 PM GMT
Oh well hibby, that one passed you by Grin
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 6:42 PM GMT
no i thought that might be the road you were leading me down sparrow...

that was a very messy business indeed...

i'm no saint so i'm not going to pit the boot in on that front tbh.
Report impossible123 • November 21, 2023 7:01 PM GMT
I knew she'd do it. The question is why it took so long the last few months? I'm disappointed not many trainers use her these days esp the bigger ones; Josephine Gordon is another.
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 7:05 PM GMT
jockeys are fashionable one day and unfashionable the next impossible...

only takes a fall out with a trainer or owner or a 'poor' ride here or there and their career is in tatters..

josephine gordon a prime example...

nicola currie too.
Report impossible123 • November 21, 2023 7:25 PM GMT
What's happened with Ms Gordon and Ms Currie? I thought either would have matched Ms Doyle in the saddle. The last named has been passed-over by most owners at Clarehaven Stables too.
Report Hayden • November 21, 2023 7:29 PM GMT
I'd go further in the eyes of punters Hibby...

Jockeys are fashionable one ride and unfashionable then until their next winner

Only takes the perception of a bad ride that proves costly to the punter and their reputation is temporarily in tatters

Every jockey can be used as a prime example.

Except young Billy who can seemingly do no wrong to the subjective eye , give it time though.
Report HappyHibby • November 21, 2023 7:31 PM GMT
some folk can do no wrong in the game Hayden...

once the press give you the green light it rarely turns red imv.
Report penzance • November 21, 2023 8:17 PM GMT
Cracking achievement,for a class jockey in her day.
Report stewarts rise • November 22, 2023 11:22 AM GMT
Great achievement from Hayley, is she also the female to have ridden for the longest period having ridden in every year for the past 23 years. Usually the ladies only stay riding for about 10 years i'd guess before going off to have babies.
I think she's been great for the sport and as a role model to young women jockeys and a nice lady to boot.
Report shoodacoodadidnt • November 22, 2023 11:23 AM GMT
Great achievement but I couldn't wait that long for a 9/4 shot - jesalu
Report Cider • January 22, 2024 7:25 PM GMT
6/13 in the last 2 weeks, including a 66/1 sp poke. Not too shabby.
Report SlippyBlue • January 22, 2024 9:40 PM GMT
Excellent, she's an admirable jockey and person indeed.
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