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Following an objection Ano Manna who passed the post first was disqualified as the incorrect horse was found to have ran. Bang Po was awarded the race
Nevo posed the question "Do punters get their money back , as they backed a horse that wasn't the horse declared to run?" Anyone know?
No, it was DQd. Unless there are optional concessions.
swindon last week...8 days since the last sh1tshow
Following an objection Ano Manna who passed the post first was disqualified as the incorrect horse was found to have ran. Bang Po was awarded the race
Presuming the trainer's other runner actually ran, Indigo Five. As that has been pulled out.
Anyone who back the Wrong orse surely Funds returned , as you could not win ?
on course bookies must be fuming, paid out on fav & now paying out on winner...on a saturday
only thing that would have made it worse be if a jumps meeting not flat
only thing that would have made it worse be if a jumps meeting not flat
this horse game is just absolutely farcical.
Presumably Betfair settled, so a lot of unscrambling to do.
Presumably Betfair settled, so a lot of unscrambling to do.
Presumably Betfair settled, so a lot of unscrambling to do.
If they change it to NR would mean significant R4. But presumably it now wouldn't count for ir purposes, where there is no R4.
noone notices pre race but it is when returns after race? i thort these horse had microchips to identfy and were checked?
Happened with a Jessica Harrington horse @Galway.
Alizarine.
Alizarine.
i backed a jessica harrington horse last year, bolted up, 10 mins after race they found out it was another year older horse from stable, they disqualified the winner, race wasnt void
still not been paid out on the revised winner
The John Feane-trained Ano Manna was disqualified after winning the tote.ie Handicap following the discovery that stable companion Indigo Five had mistakenly run in place of the three-year-old filly.
The horse thought to have been Ano Manna had run out a convincing winner under Leigh Roche, but some 20 minutes after the race had finished it was discovered that the identity of the horse was in fact the four-year-old filly Indigo Five, who had been due to run in the concluding 1m3f maiden at 5:20.
The stewards used their powers under rule 226 to amend the result. The race was awarded to 10-1 shot Bang Po, trained by Ross O'Sullivan and ridden by Donagh O'Connor. Ano Manna was declared to be a non-runner.
Paddy Power announced they were paying out on Ano Manna and also settling on the official result.
The last incident of this sort in Ireland was when the Jessica Harrington-trained Alizarine was disqualified from a two-year-old maiden at the 2021 Galway festival when it was discovered the three-year-old filly Aurora Princess had mistakenly run in her place.
The horse thought to have been Ano Manna had run out a convincing winner under Leigh Roche, but some 20 minutes after the race had finished it was discovered that the identity of the horse was in fact the four-year-old filly Indigo Five, who had been due to run in the concluding 1m3f maiden at 5:20.
The stewards used their powers under rule 226 to amend the result. The race was awarded to 10-1 shot Bang Po, trained by Ross O'Sullivan and ridden by Donagh O'Connor. Ano Manna was declared to be a non-runner.
Paddy Power announced they were paying out on Ano Manna and also settling on the official result.
The last incident of this sort in Ireland was when the Jessica Harrington-trained Alizarine was disqualified from a two-year-old maiden at the 2021 Galway festival when it was discovered the three-year-old filly Aurora Princess had mistakenly run in her place.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/reports/ano-manna-disqualified-at-killarney-in-a-case-of-mistaken-identity-aVcW26R7GLCu/
He said to Racing TV: "It's human error. I was unfortunately delayed getting to the races. I was stuck in traffic and got here ten minutes late. I have apologised to the owners, this has cost everyone money. The wrong horse was tacked up and I noticed the error immediately when I arrived in the stable yard. .....
At point-to-points we scan every horse before they go into the parade ring. Maybe in the future it might help trainers and stable staff if that was brought in at race meetings, instead of just scanning the winner after the race.
If he spotted the error in the stable yard was this after the race... presumably.
The vets want to get their act together and clean up the game
He said to Racing TV: "It's human error. I was unfortunately delayed getting to the races. I was stuck in traffic and got here ten minutes late. I have apologised to the owners, this has cost everyone money. The wrong horse was tacked up and I noticed the error immediately when I arrived in the stable yard. .....
At point-to-points we scan every horse before they go into the parade ring. Maybe in the future it might help trainers and stable staff if that was brought in at race meetings, instead of just scanning the winner after the race.
If he spotted the error in the stable yard was this after the race... presumably.
The vets want to get their act together and clean up the game
If they only ever bother to scan the winners, I wonder how many more of these there are that we never find out about?
In Britain the horses are scanned before the race. but even then, they do it too early, which is how Aidan O'Brien managed to run the wrong horse three years ago. The only way to do it properly is the way they do it at Newton Abbot, where you can see each one being scanned exactly as it enters the parade ring.
If Feane is correct, and Irish racing waits until after the race is run to do so, it's frankly beyond belief.
Also, I'd like to know whether they scan every runner in Ireland, and not just the ones in the winner's enclosure. Just how many of those 000- horses that get backed down to favourite over there have really been running in the races the Form Book says they were.
If Feane is correct, and Irish racing waits until after the race is run to do so, it's frankly beyond belief.
Also, I'd like to know whether they scan every runner in Ireland, and not just the ones in the winner's enclosure. Just how many of those 000- horses that get backed down to favourite over there have really been running in the races the Form Book says they were.
so you think you're backing the even money fav but you're actually on a complete donkey that won't be scanned when it trails home 9th ... ??
It's possible.
Perhaps some of our Irish posters on here can confirm what the process is.
Perhaps some of our Irish posters on here can confirm what the process is.
back in the day when I was leading up (nearly 30 years), the horse was checked for first time at the races. And if the chip wouldn't read they would check the book the old fashioned way. But I don't remember getting checked going into the ring.
I don't know what its like now, but I fully believe Freane when he says they are not checked going into the ring.
I don't know what its like now, but I fully believe Freane when he says they are not checked going into the ring.
IHRB need a good kick up the jacksie and get their house in order.
Showing at the moment that they are not capable of being in charge of the petty cash, let alone a sport in which we genuinely are world leaders.
Showing at the moment that they are not capable of being in charge of the petty cash, let alone a sport in which we genuinely are world leaders.
All horses running in the UK are now scanned going into the parade ring, clearly does not happen in Ireland.
"In the UK" Does that include Downpatrick and Down Royal?
No
The courses in the occupied territories come under IHRB
The courses in the occupied territories come under IHRB
I'm going to play devil's advocate here. Maybe this was a nice touch. The stewards were obviously going to be lenient with the trainer as he delegated someone else to saddle the horse. He would have surely been punished heavily if he had saddled up himself. Meanwhile the horse was well backed and most bookmakers, on course and in the shops, would have already paid out by the time the stewards objected, 20 minutes later. 3k was probably a p1ss in the ocean when compared with the bookies' pay out. Whether or not it was a touch, it shouldn't remain a possibility in future, (unless I'm in on it.)
Yes it very well might have been @driver2, and fair play to them if they pulled it off like that.
The issue is that the stewards/vets/authority in Ireland are completely clueless, and events in the last few months show that they are incompetent.
The issue is that the stewards/vets/authority in Ireland are completely clueless, and events in the last few months show that they are incompetent.
casemoney 30 Sep 23 16:15
Anyone who back the Wrong orse surely Funds returned , as you could not win ?
Just like the backers of the five losing dogs at Swindon?
Anyone who back the Wrong orse surely Funds returned , as you could not win ?
Just like the backers of the five losing dogs at Swindon?
https://community.betfair.com/greyhounds/go/thread/view/94094/31817397/swind...
Indigo Five is/was a maiden rated 62. Hardly one ripe for deliberately lining up as a ringer. If it had that much in hand, they could have landed a legitimate punt!
Cider, it was a race for 3y olds only and Indigo Five is 4 and didn't carry the weight for age
There are a couple of coincidences that smell. They sent 2 horses that look alike to Killarney and the trainer was conveniently delayed getting there. I don't buy it.
I think the WFA is only 3lbs between a 3 yo and a 4yo over 1m at this time of year and Indigo Five actually carried 2lbs more than it's own h'cap mark, which virtually cancels that out. As Indigo Five won easily by nearly 3 lengths means that Indigo Five should go up about 5lbs in future, correct me if i'm wrong.
Yes I know that, so you're going to go for this massive plot with a couple of pound in hand? Pull another one 
I get your point Driver but on previous recent form i could make Ano Manna 7/2 fav but Indigo Five would have been a 6/1 shot or bigger, unless of course the trainer was aware that Indigo Five was much better than it's mark from a week previously.
It makes absolutely no sense, as the horse is better than 62 on yesterday's evidence. So why would you waste that opportunity, to cheat in a way that you know will be discovered if you pull it off. A total nonsense theory.
It makes you wonder whether the horse which won with that much in hand really was Indigo Five.
I'm inclined to believe the trainer's story after watching his interview. He stated that all runners are scanned into the parade ring at point to points there, apparently not under rules, which is quite bizarre.
I think that it was a genuine mix up... the betting will tell if there was a punt on it and nothing seems to have emerged.
However it does show that others can run a ringer, finish down the field, get handicapped off a string of duck eggs and set up the gamble for when the real horse runs. And they know the horse won't be checked.
The integrity of the sport, or lack of it including drug misuse/wrong horses declared/feed contamination, is amongst the issues for Irish racing at the moment.
However it does show that others can run a ringer, finish down the field, get handicapped off a string of duck eggs and set up the gamble for when the real horse runs. And they know the horse won't be checked.
The integrity of the sport, or lack of it including drug misuse/wrong horses declared/feed contamination, is amongst the issues for Irish racing at the moment.
i dont think for 1 sec it was planned..but,why isnt the race just made void? those who bet the winner had no chance of collecting,from a simple integrity situation its just absolutely fckn farcical.
so, anyone get done at 1.01 or 1000 - or win on it here...?
Ano Manna was treated by Betfair as a non-runner. The 2nd PTP was settled as the winner. From memory it traded up to about 120 in the last few yards.
bf settle on occial result..winner was disq and placed last..how the fck can bf deem it a nr?
Oct 1, 2023 -- 2:37PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:
bf settle on occial result..winner was disq and placed last..how the fck can bf deem it a nr?
FPTP was declared a non-runner by the stewards at the track.
The stewards used their powers under rule 226 to amend the result. The race was awarded to 10-1 shot Bang Po, trained by Ross O'Sullivan and ridden by Donagh O'Connor. Ano Manna was declared to be a non-runner.
3.051m. 30yds. 3-y-o12 Ran
Tote.ie H´cap of €11,500.00 3-y-o
1st - €6,900.00, 2nd - €2,300.00, 3rd - €1,150.00, 4th - €575.00, 5th - €345.00, 6th - €230.00 12 Ran
News ReportStewards ReportRace Conditions
(disq) placed 12thDht
silks
Ano Manna (IRE) 3, b f 9-10 (Ms Charlotte Musgrave)
(1:49.99) (Drawn 12)sr Rated 64
Saxon Warrior (JPN) - Chroussa (IRE)(Holy Roman Emperor (IRE))
Breeder - James F Hanly
(Morning price: 7/2 4/1 9/2 5/1 11/2 5/1 4/1)
(Ring price: 4/1 7/2) SP 7/2fav
John James FeaneL F RocheTote Win €4.50 Place €1.50
towards rear, 10th halfway, headway on outer to go 4th 2f out, ridden to challenge 1f out, strong run to lead over 100 yards out, kept on well, easily (disqualified, incorrect horse ran)
Tote.ie H´cap of €11,500.00 3-y-o
1st - €6,900.00, 2nd - €2,300.00, 3rd - €1,150.00, 4th - €575.00, 5th - €345.00, 6th - €230.00 12 Ran
News ReportStewards ReportRace Conditions
(disq) placed 12thDht
silks
Ano Manna (IRE) 3, b f 9-10 (Ms Charlotte Musgrave)
(1:49.99) (Drawn 12)sr Rated 64
Saxon Warrior (JPN) - Chroussa (IRE)(Holy Roman Emperor (IRE))
Breeder - James F Hanly
(Morning price: 7/2 4/1 9/2 5/1 11/2 5/1 4/1)
(Ring price: 4/1 7/2) SP 7/2fav
John James FeaneL F RocheTote Win €4.50 Place €1.50
towards rear, 10th halfway, headway on outer to go 4th 2f out, ridden to challenge 1f out, strong run to lead over 100 yards out, kept on well, easily (disqualified, incorrect horse ran)
Yep. Results services irishracing and sporting life placed Ano Manna DQ'd to 12th before the announcement from track that it had been declared a non-runner. Wasn't confirmed as a non-runner until aound 4.10pm.
From the Steward's report:
As the horse Ano Manna did not run in this race, that horse was deemed to be non runner under the provisions of Rule 17 and the horse presented to be Ano Manna was disqualified.
As the horse Ano Manna did not run in this race, that horse was deemed to be non runner under the provisions of Rule 17 and the horse presented to be Ano Manna was disqualified.
so, no one on here actually getting gubbed or winning on this?
i laid winner.
how many 37p's you need to recoup 22 grand ?
how many 37p's you need to recoup 22 grand ?
Just like the backers of the five losing dogs at Swindon?
Did they let the Result stand Sparrow ?
So you could give the Bloke with the Scanner a few quid and run anything
Did they let the Result stand Sparrow ?
So you could give the Bloke with the Scanner a few quid and run anything
Start time Settled date Profit/Loss (£)
Horse Racing / Killarney 30th Sep : 1m Hcap
30-Sep-23 15:05 30-Sep-23 17:13 -673.88
Horse Racing / Market Rasen 30th Sep : 2m2f Hcap Hrd
Horse Racing / Killarney 30th Sep : 1m Hcap
30-Sep-23 15:05 30-Sep-23 17:13 -673.88
Horse Racing / Market Rasen 30th Sep : 2m2f Hcap Hrd
I'm surprised it'd happened again so soon post one of Mrs Harrington's runners recently. 'acey', can you do something to lessen Irish embarrassment?
A good job not much traded IR in Ireland Roper, or presumably could have been a lot worse.
casemoney 01 Oct 23 16:05
Just like the backers of the five losing dogs at Swindon?
Did they let the Result stand Sparrow ?
I don't know what the layers did in either race to be honest, case. I have heard the odd rumour, but just all I've heard.
Just like the backers of the five losing dogs at Swindon?
Did they let the Result stand Sparrow ?
I don't know what the layers did in either race to be honest, case. I have heard the odd rumour, but just all I've heard.
I laid the 6 on here sparrow & its settled as a winner
...has to be as green light was given by swindon
...has to be as green light was given by swindon
2023-09-22
15:13 TRP / Swindon 22nd Sep/ 15:14 A9 476m / 6. Droopys Mystic
Lay 4.59 27.85 Won
15:13 TRP / Swindon 22nd Sep/ 15:14 A9 476m / 6. Droopys Mystic
Lay 4.59 27.85 Won
Thanks wonders, Disgusting really and bang out of order. An A4 dog running five grades below in A9. 
Lucky you roida, if it had been in England would all have been taken probably.
stewarts rise
stewarts rise01 Oct 23 10:08Joined: 22 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 29,193 | Blogger: stewarts rise's blog
I think the WFA is only 3lbs between a 3 yo and a 4yo over 1m at this time of year and Indigo Five actually carried 2lbs more than it's own h'cap mark, which virtually cancels that out. As Indigo Five won easily by nearly 3 lengths means that Indigo Five should go up about 5lbs in future, correct me if i'm wrong.
H'capper has ignored that run when disqualified and gets to run from his initial mark of 62 in the 4.40 Curragh, would appear well h'capped on that run, we'll see.
stewarts rise01 Oct 23 10:08Joined: 22 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 29,193 | Blogger: stewarts rise's blog
I think the WFA is only 3lbs between a 3 yo and a 4yo over 1m at this time of year and Indigo Five actually carried 2lbs more than it's own h'cap mark, which virtually cancels that out. As Indigo Five won easily by nearly 3 lengths means that Indigo Five should go up about 5lbs in future, correct me if i'm wrong.
H'capper has ignored that run when disqualified and gets to run from his initial mark of 62 in the 4.40 Curragh, would appear well h'capped on that run, we'll see.
stewarts rise
stewarts rise01 Oct 23 10:08Joined: 22 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 29,193 | Blogger: stewarts rise's blog
I think the WFA is only 3lbs between a 3 yo and a 4yo over 1m at this time of year and Indigo Five actually carried 2lbs more than it's own h'cap mark, which virtually cancels that out. As Indigo Five won easily by nearly 3 lengths means that Indigo Five should go up about 5lbs in future, correct me if i'm wrong.
H'capper has ignored that run when disqualified and gets to run from his initial mark of 62 in the 4.40 Curragh, would appear well h'capped on that run, we'll see.
stewarts rise01 Oct 23 10:08Joined: 22 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 29,193 | Blogger: stewarts rise's blog
I think the WFA is only 3lbs between a 3 yo and a 4yo over 1m at this time of year and Indigo Five actually carried 2lbs more than it's own h'cap mark, which virtually cancels that out. As Indigo Five won easily by nearly 3 lengths means that Indigo Five should go up about 5lbs in future, correct me if i'm wrong.
H'capper has ignored that run when disqualified and gets to run from his initial mark of 62 in the 4.40 Curragh, would appear well h'capped on that run, we'll see.
Early 8/1 as well!
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