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Did none of the UK jockeys ever ride Leopardstown before?
The battalion won. A gap left wide open for Auguste Rodin to take it up was the key. I think Nashwa was too far off the pace to be effective; she was 3rd.
The gang won.
The gang won.
For a horse that would stay further well King Of Steel was ridden a bit far back as well imop
Probably put a statue in the stable
Anyone know a decent sculptor?
Anyone know a decent sculptor?
Indeed he is Slippy. Nice to have a 115 G2 winner to cut out the running.
I think Auguste Rodin will be retired post this win. No English Champion Stakes for him for sure.
He would hate the going at Ascot. What about the Breeders Cup?
No way Breeders Cup. The horse was delivered a victory courtesy of his stablemates, and pilots of his two key adversaries.
Heatwave continues till end of the month be great to see him in The ARC. 
No way ARC at Longchamp. More chance of him doing the doggie Arc than France. It's not even a starter, why? He does not like flying!
No Gravy Train denials from Johnny Murtagh 'they got a freebie'.
Indeed a freebie assisted by the two pilots of his main adversaries.
UK runners gone over and done their jobs for the Irish breeding markets. All AOBs dictated the races whilst the UK runners sat far enough away to look as if they were actually trying.
Poor old 123 cannot bring himself to recognise the excellence of Ryan Moore.
AOB played a blinder. I think Auguste Rodin was gifted the race; Mostahdaf would have murdered them had he run.
King Of Steel? What was he doing at the back, along with Nashwa? The former led Auguste Rodin at Epsom yet allowed Auguste Rodin and his stablemates dictated the pace at the front. Barmy, I say.
Moore did everything right. The pilots on King Of Steel and Nashwa much less so, I firmly believe.
King Of Steel? What was he doing at the back, along with Nashwa? The former led Auguste Rodin at Epsom yet allowed Auguste Rodin and his stablemates dictated the pace at the front. Barmy, I say.
Moore did everything right. The pilots on King Of Steel and Nashwa much less so, I firmly believe.
the form of auguste rodin's 2 derby wins and todays is hardly rock solid. beating king of steel, adelaide river and luxembourg by narrow margins is mediocre. and he finished last in his two other runs this season. remarkable to win 4 g1's with him. he will be hailed as a great horse by AP and co but they really got away with it today. why ace impact didnt turn up is beyond me. this was not a great race.
Ace Impact has The ARC as his major priority. However, I think he may turn up in the Champions Stake at Ascot if he bombs there.
Mostahdaf would have walked into the winner's enclosure today had he run.
Mostahdaf would have walked into the winner's enclosure today had he run.
I think he will win the breeders cup turf if he goes. Its right up his street.
Genius my arse. Let any half decent English trainer go over and take over the stable. Results will be the same.
O'Brien can come over here and train a small stable. Results would be the same.
Horses make trainers, and he's got the best.
O'Brien can come over here and train a small stable. Results would be the same.
Horses make trainers, and he's got the best.
Sep 9, 2023 -- 8:01PM, truehoncho wrote:
No.
Yes to a point.
If he gets lucky he might stretch it to a few seasons, ala Chaz Appleby, but AOB has done it for nearly 30 years.
The work riders must keep changing, the vets, the feedmen, the grooms
Yes he has the best horses but cannot keep getting lucky for the length of time he's done it.
When Henry Cecil went through a bad patch it was because the horses were no good. Frankel comes along and he's a genius again. Its all nonsense calling these people great. They couldn't do it if they trained class 6 handicappers.
That doesn't mean that any trainer can train a good horse. They clearly can't.
The great trainers are the one's who turn poorly bred horses into champions.
Not like the blue bloods he gets.
Not like the blue bloods he gets.
He turns them into the best horses, they don't come ready made.
Fantastic trainer, his record speaks for itself.
Fantastic trainer, his record speaks for itself.
and he's been top class all his life. He hasn't failed so crabbing him is just personal opinion. The only evidence we have is that he is top class
The man with the King Midas touch is imho best i've seen. He did it with NH horses also. Genius.
is there any other sport that throws around the genius word more than horse racing?..........chess maybe?
Sep 9, 2023 -- 8:27PM, truehoncho wrote:
I think we have done this one cacique
Obviously a very very talented man, and a great trainer.
But why people have to use the word genius is beyond me.
There are very few who deserve the title "genius". And it certainly is not someone who trains a horse to run fast.
But why people have to use the word genius is beyond me.
There are very few who deserve the title "genius". And it certainly is not someone who trains a horse to run fast.
When Aiden retires, one of his sons will take over. I wonder what will happen then. Will all the Classic and Group One winners dry up or will the son be a genius as well.
My guess is very little will change because he will have the same owners breeding from the best sires or spending fortunes at Tattersalls.
My guess is very little will change because he will have the same owners breeding from the best sires or spending fortunes at Tattersalls.
William Haggas has said that he doesn't know how AOB got all them Galileo s to run as 2 years olds. He said if AOB had trained Baeed he probably would have run multiply times as a 2 year old. Plus AOB didn't start off at Coolmore he earned the job by doing so well with the horses he had.
i think its unfair to say anyone in the same position would get the same result.
i think its unfair to say anyone in the same position would get the same result.
does he really have competition , bar gosden and occassional godolphin , hes got an open playing field , in the era of eg sir henry, you had world class trainers , hern, young stoute cumani, harwood, john dunlop, vincent, fabre , brittain, richard hannon, barry hills, and then we had great great racehorses
People forget that Aidan started out with moderate NH horses and broke the trainers record in his first year. It was only after a couple of record breaking years that John Magnier asked him to train flat horses at Ballydoyle. Magnier doesn't make many business mistakes.
and in 5 years joseph and donecha i suppose will be geniuses
the genius managed 3rd last,2nd last and last with fav,now that does take a genius 
Give his horses to any decent trainer and they would have the same success. All this genius talk is nonsense.
Plenty of 'decent' trainers getting nowhere. He seems to have passed his genius to Joseph. It will be a long time before O'briens are not training classic winners.
Providing 'the boys' keep breeding from the best and spending millions.
away from the top rank ,how many has he sent to uk this yr,all beaten miles and hardly one of them attracting any money
think their known as sighter,s
think their known as sighter,s
They can get old. As long as the O'briens are around, they will be training top class horses. They are very capable breeders themselves, in fact his wife is an exceptional breeder.
https://www.thoroughbreddailynews.com/ana-obrien-shares-all-about-the-magic-behind-family-run-whisperview-operation/
Have a read. Educate yourself. What a great family.
Have a read. Educate yourself. What a great family.
you shower of wanchors wouldnt recognise a genius if you were abused by one on the forum
if ada is then joseph is greater as hes won far more group races at the age of 13 than his old man had at that age
genius is bollox and has little to do with racing, aside from the con trick perpetrated by dame martha prescott who has persuaded the racing media hes a shrewdy but is in reality the most wasteful of horse-racing blue-blood talent than anyone aside from dusty bin suroor
the brains is magnier who swiftly realised that even coolmore couldnt just engage in an orgy of spendthrift hoovering of equine talent and they had to find a better way, and breeding their own was the way to do it. they obviously dont run it as a business but couldnt sustain the gigantic losses that godawful do, as they dont have the keys to the treasury
im delighted they esist as without them the horrible dirty cheating low-life vermin towelheads and their vile hangers-on would have the game to themselves
if ada is then joseph is greater as hes won far more group races at the age of 13 than his old man had at that age
genius is bollox and has little to do with racing, aside from the con trick perpetrated by dame martha prescott who has persuaded the racing media hes a shrewdy but is in reality the most wasteful of horse-racing blue-blood talent than anyone aside from dusty bin suroor
the brains is magnier who swiftly realised that even coolmore couldnt just engage in an orgy of spendthrift hoovering of equine talent and they had to find a better way, and breeding their own was the way to do it. they obviously dont run it as a business but couldnt sustain the gigantic losses that godawful do, as they dont have the keys to the treasury
im delighted they esist as without them the horrible dirty cheating low-life vermin towelheads and their vile hangers-on would have the game to themselves
Had the 1st 2 home in what might be Irelands best or near best seasons GP1
yesterday.
The bloke's a top class trainer.
yesterday.
The bloke's a top class trainer.
and last 3 home in fillies equivalent today, including ev,s fav
your point is ?
your point is ?
incredible insight. dunno where you dug up that nugget that has occurred to nobody
thanks for sharing
thanks for sharing
so you think finishing 1st and 2nd yesteray is insight,but finishing in last 3 positions today isnt
GOT IT
GOT IT
50% of group1 now werent run years ago, i wonder how much more cecil would have won, r ascot for example there was only 1 group 1 race years back, ( or was it 2 ) now theres about11
poor aiden so many horses and not near finding a frankel let alone a dancing brave
wasnt directed at you brainbox-you got in the way
it was aimed at the cornish patsy
it was aimed at the cornish patsy
was it few yrs back AOB had 50 blue blood derby runners without getting one placed
They were 70 rated sellers. Think he won a few group 2s with them.
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