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21 Aug 23
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Maybe his no lose account was stopped first
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GC mob laughing merrily…..
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One person decided to lay lay lay all day and done the lot.
Couldn’t handle and paid the ultimate leaving his wife in bits,now the punter pays too…..(imo) |
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I hope he avoided backing his own Runners.
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1.If you believe that to be fact,don't!!
2.If he and others are jumping ship on the pretext they cannot bet......bullsh!t. 3. This was covered hours ago!!! Just saying Quixall!!  |
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by next week all these owners/trainers who never bet,not my money,dont no where money came from,will have outed themselves
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Won some good races as a trainer.
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Like you in your night classes for Math and English 1st tp?
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ive had 50 yrs of listening to trainers,/owners/yard connections telling us /me 24/7 they dont gamble not my money,no idea where it comes from now apparently the games up /finished if their not allowed to bet the money theyve never bet in last 50 yrs
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Believe everything you read 1st tp and sorrow like a single magpie sure to be the result, just look at Cider as an example of BBB and a L/Cpl with a clipboard and pen?
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so do we believe theyve never punted ? like they told us = lied
or their packing in punting = lying, you cant cry wolf twice you begin to lose track and look like idiots |
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“ not my money” zzzzzz trainer’s fav saying ffs
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Tbh most Trainers are lousy punters.
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= Nobody's fukcing business maybe?
Or maybe you think a trainer knows everything an owner does or does not do? Maybe you confuse a trainer saying "We are not a gambling stable" in terms of not laying out one for a gamble? Does not make anyone a liar btw!!! |
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Mr Channon blamed the bookies for their interpretation and execution of AC. Of course, the majority of owners and trainers bet otherwise the prices of their runners would not yo-yo for a lack of betting activity.
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Posted about this and a link to article at 9-30 this morning on the AC thread !!! YAWNNNNN.
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Forgive me ffs
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Some on here need to read his article, he said he enjoyed backing his own horses, its the intrusion into his privacy that he won't go along with, and I imagine he is just another casualty in a growing number of those that have fallen foul of this complete and utter nonsense.
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The list will grow unfortunately and the RP and media will highlight a ‘name’ but the fodder will continue to be ignored…imo..
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All the snidey backbiting by a few seeming puritans on here, commenting as though they support these restrict measures.
The comments don’t even make sense; what if on the occasion they said ‘not my money’ it wasn’t? And besides those comments are made when a price shortens, meaning somebody fancies it and backed it….what’s wrong with that? It’s the laying that would have been an issue ffs. |
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There are also trainer’s who admit to having a few quid on…
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and you think the laying isnt taking place and the betting to win is easy peasy even if you refuse AC in betting shops,on course,etc,
laying them to lose not so much so makes a cynic like me wonderwhat their really bemoaning the loss of ? |
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You coming up with your own machinations helps nobody.
Do you bet? Because this is an affront to anyone who does. It’s simple ‘I’m alright Jack’ principles like yours that assumes you’ll always be alright but these proposals show intent. Everyone who uses the exchange should be against them not willing them on. |
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And how much is on the pink by some yards….a few I bet,unfit,not ready and a silly odds on price….
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racing/punter imo was better in the 200 yrs before the exchanges, the exchanges are a licence to cheat/con/defraud the punters you seem so keen on protecting, exchanges went tomorrow punting/racing would continue on and for the better imo
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And not a single trainer or owner had an arrangement with bookies before the exchange 1st time P? What universe did you live in before exchanges?
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in last 48 hrs ive heard trainers williams.channon,plentyon here say racing is finished,their finished because they wont travel a mile to a bookies or put their few 100 £ bet on course or through a 3rd party etc etc
if you told me because they wont agree to AC and by doing that it stops them laying horses they no wont/cant win ,i,d believe it in a second and glad to be shot of them |
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This same witch hunt nonsense was the go-to line of TM who baited every bookie who spoke out about these proposals.
Now you are bobbing around on an exchange like a fetid turd willing them on based on what you think happens but don’t know. Well these threats are real and will negatively impact everyone betting. |
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If you think the majority of trainers would risk their business and being warned off for laying their horses you are deluded 1st tp.
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CagliariG 22 Aug 23 08:35
If you think the majority of trainers would risk their business and being warned off for laying their horses you are deluded 1st tp. Yeah of course they don’t,not directly anyway…… |
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Quixall, even if indirectly it would be for buttons on here, any more and it would stick out like a sore thumb over a fairly short period. Not the same liquidity to hide in as when Greg Chung and co were caught.
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A steady flow…..
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Not everyone wants the carpets off the betting shop floor….steady fills the bucket
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liquidity Is not that bad on the big day….and don’t say they don’t’pull’ in important races…..ffs
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I like The Exchange. It gives me convenience (very important); ability to compare prices; ample time to place a bet; no ambiguity of bet; knowledge of exact return. The last two named are important because some high street bookies are manned by clueless individuals not well versed with English. Also, less likely to be cheated on final return like my friend in PaddyPower (Morden).
On the flip side some unscrupulous characters with big stables info "cheat" regularly from non-antepost runners; non-triers; welfare of key runners. Of course, these characters also lay these horses on the day of the race. But, the major culprit or facilitator of the "cheat" is Betfair; Betfair, for reasons known only to themself, never seem to want to follow the money. A different matter if a genuine betting activity in progress. It's universally accepted Betfair is in a spiral decline eg more bots operating; liquidity lacking; used as a barometer by professional bookies; etc. Similarly, the horseracing and punting game. |
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If bf were the major culprits do you not think the clear paper trails available would actually be the responsibility of the GC to properly investigate?
Rather than conjure up 2 bit responses to a problem that largely doesn’t exist and punish bettors without a problem? |
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I was referring to the existence of The Exchange and its importance to me - not Gambling Commission. The Gambling Commission (GC) with its then head honcho were in collusion with the BHA, and the bookies on fobt - the instigator/reason for AC. This is a fact, and no dispute about it either.
Now, with a new broom at GC GC wants to distance itself from the old GC, and its then incumbent. The new GC wants to kick problem gambling and addiction asap; GC also knows the bookies are the main issue here eg the bookies' reluctance and persistence in allowing their "selective" clients to lose excessive amounts over a short period. Some steal from their employers to fund their gambling problem or addiction; repeated fines for repeated offences were no deterrent to bookies. The chicken has come back to roost. However, despite being caught red-handed on many occasions and given massive fines with no avail the bookies are still in denial. Instead, and given the mentality of bookies, bookies are retaliating by exercising over zealous AC on virtually every horseracing punter even though AC was designated mainly for fobt and online games. |
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When one buys an item from Ebay or Amazon the fund would be held for a certain period incase a dispute arises about the item or seller. Why Betfair cannot/do not do the same if the market activity indicates something untoward has happened? It's pretty easy to follow the money here. It's not the trading of crytos on some dodgy platform.
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Why would the BHA collude with the GC or the bookies on FOBTs impossible? You make no sense whatsoever, what possible gain would the BHA benefit from?
In terms of the GC, there is a pending cabinet reshuffle which will be too late in terms of their proposals. |