its poxy happened again

It is dreadful for people who look forward to it each year.  Feel very sorry for everyone. I particularly hate the fact that the thug leading them says they have "no choice" but to strike. This has been going on for well over a year now. Hope you can find some alternative solution Ronnie. In terms of refunds, I am going on the Wednesday and the refund policy of York is by far the most generous and sensible of all courses. We would have received 100% if we had cancelled the Parade Ring last week and 75% yesterday. Pro-rata going forward. Anyway, best of luck.

Train drivers I would struggle to think of a more cushy number sitting on their arse all day pressing the odd button.

Hopefully Ronnie you will find another way of getting home or leave Friday but I suppose there would be no hotel refund.

Either way hope you get sorted out.

We have booked a rail and hotel package to go down to London Sat 26th August for 3 nights, mainly to visit Lords and watch Lancs play Middlesex in the 50 over cup on the Sunday.

Never gave the train strikes a thought when we booked. Guess we will find out nearer the day.

Going the week before the mrs tells me, might be ok.

Donegal/jimnast.
Looks like i will have to do what i did last year get the 235 out of york on the sat last train.We only booked yesterday our train tickets to Cheltenham for the oct meeting  whats a fair price train strike.dp regarding tickets members badge .
Hope you both enjoy York.
Ronnie.

The train drivers do not want to strike, ASLEF are making them.

Ronnie i did a durham to york return (never again by the way)  for racing - paid for me ticket £2.50 and THREE carriages were jam p acked - going to Snooker at Barbican and whereas once you cud book up 3 mths b4 the event now ya lucky if ya can book up 2 weeks b4 hand   - wot went on on that train was unbelievable

felatio?

rico.
The late trains from royal ascot  to waterloo would make even you blush.
Ronnie.

nar aggro - some beef head who was on the tag kept getting his mates to pull the chain to stop the train - caused chaos on train but BTP were there to tekk him off the fooker - funny thing was he was on fone to his probation officer to tell him he was gona miss his 8pm curfew and yes he was a SMB

I know that for certain as my younger brother is a driver for South West trains.

If it were up to them alone, they would accept a zero % wage increase and be back to work as per normal.

Aug 11, 2023 -- 8:55PM, smirnoff2therescue wrote:

nar aggro - some beef head who was on the tag kept getting his mates to pull the chain to stop the train - caused chaos on train but BTP were there to tekk him off the fooker - funny thing was he was on fone to his probation officer to tell him he was gona miss his 8pm curfew  and yes he was a SMB

wasnt me

M2 It was funny cos his entourage including plenty nice totty were wobbling about and and chucking gordons g and t all ova the gaf as well as digging their heels into some of the carpet munchers who were straddled on the floor

slippy sent ya a pm

ronnie rails -

National Express Coaches are really good nowadays - I went to London a few weeks ago - £7.99 (Don't know how they can do it)

But Nation al Expres do Nir di a DIRECT service from York to Darlington (I am guessing that is where you want to go to)

You have to go to Leeds and CHANGE - and the Time (after racing is very late , too)

HOWEVER - MEGABUS (pretty much the same as National Express - and your journey is only short) - Do a DIRECT York to Darlington - and at a highly convenient 8:40pm  (depart - from York RAILWAY STATION) - Arrive Darlington 10:00pm - for just £19.89.

Absolute NO BRAINER.

That’s very helpful onlooker good man

Ronnie those train journeys were all part of the royal Ascot experience

^  *  MEGABUS   - 

https://uk.megabus.com/journey-planner/journeys?days=1&concessionCount=0&dep...

Bag a Week for holding a dead mans knob for 30 hours

Sparrow thinks the RMT and its members are the salt of the earth

Please copy and paste the post that contain those words please, isleham.


For the record .......Members of ASLEF, the train drivers' union, have voted overwhelmingly to continue strike action in the union's ongoing national dispute over pay. Commenting on the ballot results, General Secretary Mick Whelan said: “Once again our members have decided, and made it clear that we are in this for the long haul.14 Jun 2023.

When it comes down to it I make no apologies for supporting working people.

Far more working people are negatively affected by button pushers taking another extended weekend holiday, than the button pushers themselves.

That's how the ludicrous situation arrives where they get paid so much. that they don't care how many days they take off to try and extort even more cash of the working people. Oh yes and millionaire 'nhs' consultants leaving their patients to die, in the pursuit of a political battle.

Cider, as I said earlier in the thread. The drivers want to work, they simply are not allowed to.

The drivers voted  overwhelmingly to strike, slippy.  Obviously not all but the majority.

Not anyone who works with my bro anyway.

Great news S2R, really happy for you mate.

Chiltern Railways
Yes to strike action: 90.41%
Turnout: 81.1%
Yes to action short of a strike: 96.35%
East Midlands Railway
Yes to strike action: 85.31%
Turnout: 71.5%
Yes to action short of a strike: 91.59%
Northern Trains
Yes to strike action: 94.3%
Turnout: 76.76%
Yes to action short of a strike: 97.84%

https://aslef.org.uk/system/files/2023-08/ballotresults_9aug2023.pdf

It's an utterly absurd situation. They have extorted such levels of pay through striking that they don't need to get paid, so why not get some unpaid leave in the summer, a nice long weekend perhaps. Which enables them to leverage an even more luxurious position for themselves.

It's a completely different world nowadays, with all the various employment laws, minimum conditions, minimum wage etc that the option to strike should be removed. All the gvnt needs to do is ensure that there is a minimum acceptable standard of employment, set in law, for everyone employed. Which there obviously is currently.

If you don't like your job. Don't feel the conditions are quite good enough. Think you could do better elsewhere.

Quit and get another job.

You will have voted for this government and its privatisation of the rail system so you have no right to complain.

I'm referring to all strike action. It should be outlawed. It is completely antiquated and can be used nefariously, as we are seeing. Mostly from people who get paid via the taxpayer, abusing taxpayers as the nature of their chosen job allows them to do so.

If you had your way cider we would back in Victorian times.

Obviously not. As I stated, everything is now embedded in law anyway.

What do you think electively employed people should get, that is not already embedded within employment law?

I think it's time driverless trains are introduced. Train drivers have been holding the public for yonks now. In Singapore this is the norm; driver errors and accident also down as a result.

Another thing to consider the UK need to train personnel who can multi-task ie able to provide several public service/duties eg trains, buses, fire and ambulance brigade, ports, etc.

The above personnel earn as much as a junior doctor. Absolute shocking considering the education and qualification needed, and training, the personal interaction day-in-day-out esp in inner cities.

not all about train drivers though is it ?

I doubt if Graham King who is getting £25 million a year to house migrants would get out of his bed for a bag a week to drive a train.Was anyone in the VIP queue for the Covid contract billions a trade unionist? The real criminals in this country are not the railwaymen and NHS staff.

Who is saying they are criminals?

They simply should not be able to ruin peoples' lives by not turning up for work that they contracted to do.

If you no longer like your lot that you wilfully opted into, get another job.

It's not that difficult.

I'd just like to add a quick post script to my earlier comments.

South West trains (based at Waterloo) are owned by 'First Group' and they have different contracts compared to other areas. Their drivers are NOT on strike but they do currently have an overtime ban. Their salary though is undoubtedly bordering on the obscene compared to other key workers, brother is on £72K basic.

Interestingly I retired from First Group as a bus driver and as I said at the time of privatisation the bus companies were not fit and proper people to run our railways. But what do we know?

When Ronald Reagan had an air traffic control strike, he sacked the lot and replaced them . I've often wondered where the new ones came from as I doubt if there were hundreds of unemployed ATCs or that they could be trained up in a week. Anyone know?

https://jacobin.com/2021/08/reagan-patco-1981-strike-legacy-air-traffic-cont...

Interestingly I retired from First Group as a bus driver and as I said at the time of privatisation the bus companies were not fit and proper people to run our railways. But what do we know?


Should be much more like TfL

TfL had just under £13 billion of debt at the end of March 2022.


How the fuuck an organisation running transport in London can be in such debt, is truly astonishing. Literally millions of willing, paying, daily passengers on tap.

Vulnerability has to be clearly defined using figures, how else can a regulator hold license holders to account for not imposing it?
And for those who have it imposed who by any sane person’s standards are clearly not vulnerable to have an avenue of redress.

Anything less is banana republic level.

Wrong thread

You might well ask how this can happen but keep voting Tory irrespective of all the mistakes they continue to make.

What has TfL mismanagement got to do with voting Tory?

Cider 12 Aug 23 12:15 
What has TfL mismanagement got to do with voting Tory?




Rail Privatisation is the answer or have you forgotten the subject of this thread?

Will be a few trains running  but the last train leaving  York  heading  north will be t time.
Ronnie.