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interesting little race . but the eclipse should be more than that , king george will probably go likewise . time for a revamp .
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Corals are very wise to continue sponsorship because the Eclipse is all but married to the sponsor's name. And I can't think of another: Tote Cheltenham Gold Cup? Randox Grand National? Ever Ready Derby? Whitbread Gold Cup? Schweppes?
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What a poor response for this once great race.
1968 Royal Palace 4 Sandy Barclay Noel Murless Jim Joel 2:07.50 1969 Wolver Hollow 5 Lester Piggott Henry Cecil Hope Goddard Iselin 2:11.80 1970 Connaught 5 Sandy Barclay Noel Murless Jim Joel 2:06.00 1971 Mill Reef 3 Geoff Lewis Ian Balding Paul Mellon 2:05.40 1972 Brigadier Gerard 4 Joe Mercer Dick Hern Jean Hislop 2:20.20 1973 Scottish Rifle [a] 4 Ron Hutchinson John Dunlop Sandy Struthers 2:12.39 1974 Coup de Feu 5 Pat Eddery Duncan Sasse Tim Sasse 2:08.86 1975 Star Appeal 5 Greville Starkey Theo Grieper Waldemar Zeitelhack 2:06.10 1976 Wollow [b] 3 Gianfranco Dettori Henry Cecil Carlo d'Alessio 2:05.42 1977 Artaius 3 Lester Piggott Vincent O'Brien Mrs George Getty II 2:05.30 1978 Gunner B 5 Joe Mercer Henry Cecil Pauline Barratt 2:05.05 1979 Dickens Hill 3 Tony Murray Mick O'Toole Mrs Jean-Pierre Binet 2:06.17 1980 Ela-Mana-Mou 4 Willie Carson Dick Hern Simon Weinstock 2:10.20 1981 Master Willie 4 Philip Waldron Henry Candy Robert Barnett 2:07.44 1982 Kalaglow 4 Greville Starkey Guy Harwood Tony Ward 2:08.83 1983 Solford 3 Pat Eddery Vincent O'Brien Robert Sangster 2:06.36 1984 Sadler's Wells 3 Pat Eddery Vincent O'Brien Robert Sangster 2:04.53 1985 Pebbles 4 Steve Cauthen Clive Brittain Sheikh Mohammed 2:07.33 1986 Dancing Brave 3 Greville Starkey Guy Harwood Khalid Abdullah 2:06.18 1987 Mtoto 4 Michael Roberts Alec Stewart Ahmed Al Maktoum 2:04.33 1988 Mtoto 5 Michael Roberts Alec Stewart Ahmed Al Maktoum 2:06.14 1989 Nashwan 3 Willie Carson Dick Hern Hamdan Al Maktoum 2:07.38 1990 Elmaamul 3 Willie Carson Dick Hern Hamdan Al Maktoum 2:04.63 1991 Environment Friend 3 George Duffield James Fanshawe Bill Gredley 2:07.61 1992 Kooyonga 4 Warren O'Connor Michael Kauntze Mitsuo Haga 2:10.83 1993 Opera House 5 Michael Kinane Michael Stoute Sheikh Mohammed 2:06.25 1994 Ezzoud 5 Walter Swinburn Michael Stoute Maktoum Al Maktoum 2:04.70 1995 Halling 4 Walter Swinburn Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin 2:05.32 1996 Halling 5 John Reid Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin 2:08.05 1997 Pilsudski 5 Michael Kinane Michael Stoute Lord Weinstock 2:12.51 1998 Daylami 4 Frankie Dettori Saeed bin Suroor Godolphin 2:06.82 |
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sparrow , what a history there . so many memories of horses and indeed trainers ..
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Certainly is, windsor.
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If those from 77 to 98 all lined up what would be the first 3 home ?
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1.Dancing Brave
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I would just put mtoto in front of Peebles sparrow he was very good at sandown I was between the two for 3 rd place
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For a G1 3yo and older horses race, the prize money is not great. It wouldn't surprise me if over the years it has lost ground to G1's it is competing with. Often used to go to this meeting but Sandown just lost its appeal, prefer the jump meetings there nowadays.
Thought Paddington's St James's Palace Stakes win makes him the bet and trusting O'Brien wouldn't bother if any doubts. |
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Coin flip - Mtoto and Dancing Brave.
Interesting fact [well...] Mtoto was Grandsire of both Denman and Ballabriggs ![]() |
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Great horse Mtoto, a real turn of foot. Also won the King George VI And Queen Elizabeth, after trainer Alec Stewart had originally said he wasn't going to run! Should have won 88 Arc, scuppered by a big field/poor draw and and Michael Roberts; finished so fast but Tony Bin, who he easily beat in previous races had got first run.
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Yes I should have included Mtoto in my top 3 picks but at least I did have a go.
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Who would have thought in a 3 yo maiden on a haydock night meeting we would have seen a horse go on to win 2 eclipses and a king George beating very very good horses as well.
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I think all in all pebbles was the better horse sparrow .
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Trepan was it 1976?I was glad he was not thrown out on the day.Was Pebbles the 1st ever filly/mare to win it?
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Yes she was second again
Can anyone remember the name of the horse who beat pebbles and Commanche run it what looked a match at royal ascot? |
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https://youtu.be/f0hXunBuVPk
pebbles wot a hoss ![]() Pat Eddery looking round for non-existent Derby winners etc ![]() |
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Bob Back?
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That’s him penzance
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Agreed Sparrow....Dancingbravethebest imo
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You could get 33/1 on the day Bob Back in a 4 hourse race.
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jimnast
Only reason I knew that was because I couldn't remember the name of the horse who won the Prince Of Wales Stks & got DSQ, then went on to win the Eclipse (Kooyonga).See his name on the list of wnrs. |
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Kooyonga was the 2 nd FILLY to win the eclipse penzance
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She was yeh.
She was actually demoted to 3RD @ Ascot. |
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Funny I don’t remember that race penzance and I would have been there.
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RTV prods reading the thread :)
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The smart cookies in here are the Crisfords. £40,000 for having to do no more than finish. £80k if
manage to beat one home! |
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How can such a race be a 4 horse race - something fundamentally wrong somewhere
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Since the beginning of this century and much more recently more and more good horses are going to fewer trainers. These trainers then select which of their horses will run in these races. In the last ten years the winners has overwhelmingly been from one of the very few top yards. It works well for them but not for racing in general.
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Are we getting to the point that top racehorses will command appearance money for these top classic races?
Travel vouchers? Staff payment offers? Free stallion nominations? Something needs done because as it stands these races are dying! |