Neil Channing Article

Channing is a plastic marxist. Why would you give any credibility to what he has to say?

as someone who thinks that the Just Stop Oil protestors are heroes

hmmm, the views of someone who thinks that groups that stop the working class from working are heroes, can safely be consigned to the recycle bin.

"If racing faces a battle for its survival in the future it won't be the one that it fights against Animal Rising. It will be against the millions of people that have no real opinion on the subject, most of whom have never been racing and many of whom may have never seen a horse."

and

"If currently you are one of the people who think that strategically it's going to be a good idea to make it a battle between racing and a load of other groups of people that you don't personally agree with, then suddenly you are taking on millions of people and I think you'll regret it."

the man who admires just stop oil but aeroplaned into the studio for Luck on Sunday a few weeks ago; used to have time for him but another double standard elitist

Cider, you are missing Channing's point which is that Animal Rising is not the same as any of the other groups and it would be a grave mistake to lump them all together until they form a majority.

Never understand how he gets the gig on Luck,he may be a great poker player or whatever but pro horse racing punter my backside,agree with Cider a plastic marxist,very rarely watch it when he is on,the other week Luck put a photo up on Twitter of them all in the prep room stating just ready to go chaps,Channing had a plain scruffy T shirt on as usual,then bothered to change it with some silly lefty message on for the show,a take out merchant.

Unfortunately, rational/normal/sensible voices are shouted down, screaming. Years of social engineering and battering have only left the public discourse open for the 'accepted' bbc / guardianista narrative. Anyone objecting to the accepted narrative is smeared as a loony toon, gammon, far right, racist, bigot, transphobe, climate denier, covid denier etc. I don't care what people think about me, so say what I believe anyway, most people aren't like that and find it's an easier life to stay quiet, or grudgingly nod along.

We do get the window occasionally opening when people feel like they can freely say what they actually think, without being smeared. Such as the rapist going to a female prison in Scotland. However, those occasions are very rare.

Thatcher promoted global warming for the same reason the current generation do: self-inetrest. In here case as a tool with which to de-legitimize the striking miners; in the current case to de-legitimize capitalism (or 'freedom', as normal people call it).

There are completely different issues there Ramruma. Conflated deliberately.

The climate is changing for sure. It has for millions of years and will do for the next million.

The hubris of anyone thinking that ending the use of gas boilers and diesel cars in England will do anything to affect the weather around the globe is beyond absurd. Even if those things wouldn't have a catastrophic impact on the working and lower to middle classes, which they obviously will.

Because humans can't change the weather or climate (we can't) does not mean we should not use technology and development to mitigate the impacts of detrimental weather. If we will be short of water long term for example during summer months in this country, construct more reservoirs. Granted, that would mean that the civil service would have to do some tangible work, instead of attempting to scare people with warnings that it might be 28C in a few days, so it's rather unlikely.

Agreed we should build more reservoirs. It might be easier if we'd not sold off all the water companies to foreigners.

But we are getting a bit off-topic and WFM from what began as a discussion of anti-racing activists.

"To me Just Stop Oil and Animal Thingybob are indistinguishable."

Good piece by Peter Scargill in yesterday's RP about Animal Rising, which included research into who funds them and who they are affiliated with, and is well worth a read.

"It is not possible for racing to win over people thinking this way because they are not willing to engage in an argument based on logic and facts. Instead, they are using racing as a vehicle to promote their true agenda, which is to fundamentally alter the world's food production industry"

Scargill wrote later in his piece:

"According to the most recent accounts of Plant Based Campaigns Limited (formerly Animal Rebellion, the previous name of Animal Rising before its spring rebrand), the company had no reserves. According to Animal Rising, its funding comes through donations which are matched, up to a total of £500,000, by an unnamed figure.

"The group is affiliated with Extinction Rebellion, which receives significant grants from the US-based Climate Emergency Fund (CEF), a charity backed by wealthy individuals including Aileen Getty, a member of the fabulously rich Getty oil family"

look at cider getting his kickers in a twist because he doesn't like channings politics, lol

There is more to the weather than the greenhouse effect. There's the hydrological cycle and evaporative cooling for a start, which is why you cannot have runaway warming on a planet with water. Proof? The last 4.5 billion years.

But that's not going to get you put in charge of planning the economy (or bashing the miners).

Neil mentions the silly people being called the unwashed ffs…..Hmmmm.