blackmore ban

A schoolgirl error!

just as well Donn McClean wasn't there tonight...

he'd have said nowt and hoped nobody noticed ffs.

she might get a ban for not pulling up also ?

Stop fishing Hibby!!

i'm being serious saxon farm...

i'm sure there's a rule in the UK that says if that sort of thing happens you should pull up...

no idea if it's an Irish thing too...

probably not tho.

She told stewards she didnt ride a finish a circuit early and has gone home so pundit at track cant speak to her

laughable...

how will Brian Hayes get home if she's pi$$ed off in the car ?

Be interesting to see what the Irish Stewards have to say about the fragrant Rachel when they publish their findings sometime next week!.

She denied it (a circuit too soon) to the media….
Stewards accepted her explanation.
ASTONISHING

only quickened for 1f or sew...surely shes never denied it? why she ease up passing the line then

Racing Post, for once, pretty unequivocal - Lady Rita might have been unlucky, it is difficult to know. Her chance was compromised by her rider unfortunately riding a finish a circuit early. She was just pushed out to the line and her rider was beginning to pull up when the error was realised. She was quickly back in the race, but that exertion and a bad mistake on the final circuit meant that all of the petrol was used up.

Still waiting for the Irish Stewards Report which will exonerate the Irish Queen. Surely not, even in Ireland.

She definitely went for it too soon,silly to try and hide it as we all mess up now and again whatever we do for a crust,show me someone who never makes a mistake and I'll show you a liar.

If she has denied it then she has made herself look a complete fool. Just admit it.

A long ban should be inevitable. If it isn't the Stewards need replacing.

The horse has done well to finish fourth given the horrendous mistake she went on to make which cost another 4-5 lengths. A win in this race would have been a tidy result for connections, and then you have the punters who supported it from 33/1-8/1. Before she rode the finish it couldn't have travelled better.

Racecourse commentator James Griffin said during the race that Blackmore may have mistaken the winning post but the jockey denied having gone a circuit early when asked immediately after the race.

When in front of the stewards, Blackmore stated she wanted to ensure the race was run at a strong gallop and let her mount stride on after the final hurdle with a circuit to go but Lady Rita became lairy in front, and on realising there was still a long way to go, she allowed the seven-year-old to come back under her.

Having viewed the recording and considered the evidence, the stewards informed Blackmore they were not entirely convinced with her explanation but under the provisions of Rule 212A they could not be certain that her misjudgement, if any, had caused her to fail to obtain her best possible placing and therefore took no further action.

Only in Ireland and only with Racheal!!!!!

A room of fools. If they couldn't see something that obvious then there's no hope.

For once differentdrum I agree, but wish sometimes you weren’t such a curmudgeon on these pages!
Have a good weekend.

The Raceday Stewards interviewed Rachael Blackmore, rider of Lady Rita, trained by Louise G. Lyons, concerning her riding where she appeared to stop riding after reaching the winning post with a circuit to run. Evidence was heard from the rider concerned who stated that this animal had a tendency to run inconsistently and was running over a longer trip today for the first time. She added that she wanted to ensure that the race was run at a strong gallop and let her mount stride on after the final hurdle with a circuit to run but the animal got lairy in front and on realising there was still a long way to go, she allowed her to come back under her. Having viewed the recording and considered the evidence, the Raceday Stewards informed Rachael Blackmore that they were not entirely convinced with her explanation offered but under the provisions of Rule 212A they could not be certain that her misjudgement, if any, had caused her to fail to obtain her best possible placing and therefore took no further action.

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So why not make the running in the first place Rachel (Our Darling as jerry hannon once called her) ?

absolute piffle from all concerned...

RTV will be furious no doubt with Jonny Ward for even mentioning it immediately after the race...

i bet they wished Donn McClean was there last night...

he'd have ignored it completely and treated the public with complete and utter contempt...

which is what Blackmore and the Stewards did last night.

The Raceday Stewards requested a report from Dermot Anthony McLoughlin, trainer, as to the apparent improvement in form of The Echo Boy, placed first, as compared with its recent form. James Griffin, Authorised representative of Dermot Anthony McLoughlin reported that the drop back in trip from three miles to two miles three furlongs brought about the improved performance. Having considered the evidence, the Raceday Stewards noted the content of the report.

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there's got to be something not right about the racecourse commentator also being there as a trainers representative...

i'm not saying anything dodgy was going on but it's just typical of horse racing where folk have got fingers in all sorts of pies which compromises their position to a certain extent...

you just have to look at RTV's choice of pundits to see that on a daily basis...

ex jockeys / trainers sons or daughters / current jockeys...

all very in house.

were not entirely convinced with her explanation

So, basically the stewards weren't sure if she was just lying to them

Just exactly why I don't join the jockey 'fanclubs' that seem to exist in racing for some.

if you don't believe a word any owner / trainer or jockey says you won't go far wrong imv.

so obvious shes mistaken winning post. She looks up @ screen to her right to check shes clear then eases. Load of boll@x shes spouted to save herself a ban.Even stevie wonder spotted it.

I am a Blackmore follower but to say she did not mistake the the winning post with a lap to go is obviously not right.Anyone watching that race could see she did mistake the post a lap too early,do not understand the stewards decision,bet if that was a little known jockey they would have had a different outcome.

Even the gravy train which is RTV weren't buying it:

https://twitter.com/RacingTV/status/1657113550102437889?s=20

guilty your honner.

Bet the next jock to do this repeats, verbatim, what RB said. What then?

Callan should have tried it

May 13, 2023 -- 1:51PM, Daryl Revok wrote:

Bet the next jock to do this repeats, verbatim, what RB said. What then?

verbatim, they wont get a ban.
Jockey coaches should be drilling this into the apprentices

Put possibly the stewards should be stood down for a period by the hri and made to take refresher course before they are allowed to officiate again.

It must have been a nice Vintage sherry doing the rounds yesterday evening...

RP reports "But that is not the end of the matter after the IHRB said on Saturday they are going to delve further into the incident.

Niall Cronin, the IHRB's communications manager, told the Racing Post: "Following the race at Kilbeggan on Friday night, we noted the outcome of the stewards' inquiry into the ride Rachael Blackmore gave to Lady Rita and are now in the process of gathering all relative information surrounding the race and the subsequent inquiry that led to the raceday stewards at Kilbeggan giving the decision they did."

good

excellent news Manoleeds...

about tbl00dy time these Stewards were looked at just a wee bit closer...

far too much of the good old 'noted' stuff going on...

it's about time the Stewards didn't just accept all the excuses / reasons under the sun...

anyone with a brain (even half a brain) and a pair of eyes (even one eye) knows Blackmore went a circuit early there...

hope she gets done not only for the incident itself but for her comments post race...

as i said earlier the whole thing shows complete and utter contempt for the public imv.

Spot on Hibby

Whatever happens - have they ever got rid of Stewards who blatantly can't do the job - the cheerleaders will still engage overdrive when she officially retires.

If they do reverse the decision and ban her, then the stewards have to be stood down. Ray Groarke, Tom Rudd, Coleman Sweeny & is it Graham Mccourt

ridiculous that stewards even interview jockeys - they can see what's happened for themselves

do footy refs ask players before giving decisions?

as for Rachel, her ban should be doubled for talking utter carp

i never watch Luck on Sunday but it will be interesting to see if they chat about it on there tbh...

if they don't then it's the biggest bottle job since Newcastle United blew the EPL when they were 12 points clear of Manchester United...

evening Kev.

If they do reverse the decision and ban her, then the stewards have to be stood down.

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correct cacique...

any steward who accepted her explanation should be booted out and never allowed to be a steward ever again imv...

it's a hideous scenario quite frankly.

situation appears to have moved on from what happened on the track to what happened in the stewards room. 

looks like someone at the IHRB has grown a pair of balls and is prepared to be ostracized in the pursuit of cleaning the whole mess up.

but I have my doubts that the decision will be reversed.

BUT if they don't they have open the door to the explanation that "I wanted to ensure that the race was run at a strong gallop and let my mount stride on after the final hurdle with a circuit to run but the animal got lairy in front and on realising there was still a long way to go, I allowed the horse to come back under me" everytime a jockey rides a circuit too soon.

this could be the next Watergate imv.

All The Presidents Men and all that.

I wouldn't be that dramatic,,
they muddled through the Elliot saga, they are still wiping $h!t off their face from Byrne giving them the run around....

This will get brushed under the carpet.

Why didn't they just say that they didn't believe a word that came out of her mouth but thought that as she is the

(A) Darling of the weighing room

and

(B) A bird

They were limited in enforcing any punishment on her.

turened over to just catch the start of that 2 minute thingy and in fairness they spoke about Blackmore fairly extensively...

the clear consensus being that she did go a lap early and the 'reigning back' after the line gave the game away...

cannot understand anyone who could possibly offer a differing view personally...

hope this is dealt with swiftly and she gets a good ban for her comments in the stewards room.

The Racing TV bit was very predictable. All frightened to condemn it outright, and the impression given was they were trying to shift blame from Blackmore to the Stewards when she was the one responsible for both the action and the fairy stories.

Luck didn't actually given an opinion and the response from Osborne was about as evasive as you could get.

A pointless exercise.

i agree they didn't put the boot in to Blackmore...

but at least they chatted about it...

i'd have gone long odds on they'd completely ignore it tbh.

Tbf, the race day stewards by bottling it have made her situation much worse.

A 14 day ban & her holding her hands up would've got her the sympathy vote.

i agree Wesdag...

and anyone who sees things as they are (and doesn't go down the 'all jockeys are wonderful human beings' road) will have put Blackmore in the 'don't listen to a word she says' box now...

can't stand folk who treat people with at least some brain cells with complete and utter contempt like this.

and Blackmore herself has made her situation much worse too tbf...

hold your hands up...

take your medicine...

move on...

silly girl imv.

According to 'newsboy' it wasn't a 'cut and dried' case

It's partially a sign of the times we live in, you're not supposed to infer someone was lying if they are considered to be a good person. Even if what they are claiming has no credibility whatsoever. I see this type of thing in the workplace all the time nowadays, where best intent has to be assumed, unless you have tangible evidence (ie irrefutable) otherwise. It's why I got out of management.

has anyone from the RTV Ireland team commented on this so far ?

either on telly or on twitter...

i know Jane Mangan / Fran Berry and 'Kev' are on there...

would be strange if they just ignored it imv...

well odds on they have tho.

at least Jonny Ward said something immediately after the race on Friday night when i'm sure others would have conveniently blanked it.

May 14, 2023 -- 11:37AM, Cider wrote:

According to 'newsboy' it wasn't a 'cut and dried' case It's partially a sign of the times we live in, you're not supposed to infer someone was lying if they are considered to be a good person. Even if what they are claiming has no credibility whatsoever. I see this type of thing in the workplace all the time nowadays, where best intent has to be assumed, unless you have tangible evidence (ie irrefutable) otherwise. It's why I got out of management.

Yeah, she rode a finish then eased down...just so coincidental the winning post happened to be there.

happy Hibby seens to have a serious issue with R Blackmore full stop regardless whether she rode a finish a lap too early or not, i feel sad for him really when she has been one bright spark to this sport in recent times which is choking itself...

no...

i have an issue with ANYONE who treats the public with complete and utter contempt...

does she think we are all dumb stupid idiots ?

FWIW I love Rachel & always hope she wins every race she's in cos she's great PR for the sport but we still have to call a spade a spade.

Remember Sam Waley Cohen doing something similar at Fakenham a few years back, it was embarrassing afterwards listening to Richard Pitman on ATR making excuses for him. In the end his porkies led to his suspension, cannot recall how long he got. Maybe someone can.

12 days

It shouldn't matter a jot whether Blackmore is good for the sport, or not.

^ well that's kinda like wot I said

My reply was aimed at the earlier post.

HappyHibby 14 May 23 14:13 
no...

i have an issue with ANYONE who treats the public with complete and utter contempt...

does she think we are all dumb stupid idiots ?

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Didn't one jockey do the same by saying he'd tested positive for coke after shagging a bird who'd had a toot?

There's absolutely no need to rush these potential sanctions and decision making on the day if they don't impact the betting.

was it definitely a bird saddo ?

Rush? It should have taken a few seconds to clear this up.

I feel like you can imagine what was going through their minds if they had effectively called the queen of Irish racing a liar, and banned her for three weeks or whatever. National news potentially, outside of racing. Bullying old men and all the usual ways that mainstream media can twist the narrative these days. It's easy from a keyboard, but stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum in 2023, and there's no need for these low key people to be making decisions that could have significant ramifications. They've bottled it for sure, but I'm not sure that they should have the responsibility.

They've bottled it for sure, but I'm not sure that they should have the responsibility.

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nobody is forcing them to do the job if they feel it's too much responsibility for them personally...

they are there to make decisions...

if they don't want to make easy (in my view) decisions like this then they should shove off.

who should have the responsibility so?

Sure, but as I'm saying, there is no need to rush into these decisions in the heat of the moment. In other sports, football for example, the ref sends a player off on the day, but doesn't determine the sanction there and then. If you think about it logically, it's a bit odd that it is expected to be done and dusted in a few minutes. They only need to make calls on the day if they impact the betting.

You would have a central disciplinary panel. As they are pretty much doing on the UK now with various whip and riding offences.

Sure, but as I'm saying, there is no need to rush into these decisions in the heat of the moment.

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i think most on here would say it was a very easy decision to make Cider...

there is a clear set number of days you get for doing what she did...

just dish out the punishment and if she doesn't like it let her appeal...

that is what SHOULD have happened.

For one thing, almost certainly RB wouldn't have tried the 'dog ate my homework' stuff a few days later.

Rules and ways of working shouldn't changed based on a single incident, but a fail to see how it would not improve things going forward.

A central disciplinary panel is a good idea,,,, but if they are as toothless as the stewards were in Kilbeggan then it wouldn't be fit for purpose.
More jobs for the boys.

Plus i think these stewards are as thick as pig $h1t and would accept the dog at my homework as an excuse.

looks to me like the Kilbeggan stewards :-

a) didn't believe her and thought 'this is too big for us we'll let the IHRB deal with it'...

or

b) there was lots of nudge nod wink stuff going on.

We don't know for sure that it would be better, but I can't think of a reason why it wouldn't be. Perhaps even moving it into the 21st century.

true, its a novel idea I'll give you that cider.

But unfortunately for the betterment of the sport the IHRB won't implement anything that upsets the apple tart.

Apple tart - was that a Freudian slip there

1st time ive seen it this morning and the worst part of RB lies were her blaming the horse saqying it was running larily,pulling etc,etc
exactly zero evidence  of that been the case

blackamore let herself down. i could understand a claimer being terrified of exposure coming up with such an excuse but shes well-established enough to accept she made an error. no geezer would have got away with this. but such is her status she did

i like her. shes unfailingly modest and always trying to deflect attention. no idea if shes a good jokey

HappyHibby 14 May 23 15:08 
was it definitely a bird saddo ?

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I'm only guessing hibb, who knows what team they bat for these days.

But she has lovely teeth.

Waiting is effectively kicking a can down the road. In this case it was an easy decision. No need for any delay. Just get it right in the first place. The only question is whether they even needed to hear from the jock. If they do just listen and confirm they don't accept the explanation/twaddle then hand out the largest ban under the rules.

Some decisions are put in the too difficult basket and referred. If you are doing that with this one clearly you haven't got what's needed to be a Steward.

You wonder how many of these Stewards are too close to the people involved.

She is a fantastic jockey that is absolutely fearless through a race and I've seen her go for gaps that many a male colleague would baulk at.

Miss Blackmore is also a breath of fresh air in a traditionally male dominated sport,she is a fantastic Ambassador for the game and a lot of people look up to her but I'm afraid she and the Stewards have made a complete mess of this and they are going to have to do some job to extricate themselves.

If it looks,walks and talks like a duck...

You wonder how many of these Stewards are too close to the people involved.

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most stewards either know someone...

or they know someone who knows someone...

or they know someone who knows someone who knows someone...

nudge nod wink and it's all done and dusted...

and when you have a racing media like the one we have then it makes for a very bad combination imv...

too many ex jockeys / sons or daughters of trainers / folk who are close to trainers or jockeys / jockeys agents who are doing the punditry / presenting duties who are never going to look for anything a bit iffy during a race...

all plays to the 'let's pretend it's a totally clean sport and everyone involved is a lovely human being' garbage we get all the bl00dy time.

all i can say is thank God i'm nearly dead saddo...

wouldn't like to be 18 again and hook up with some lassie only to find out she has some extra bits i wasn't aware of...

and when the drinks have been flowing i reckon it could have been an easy mistake to have made back in the day.

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it ,
you could end up a very Happy Hibby.

Happy ending...?