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...to avoid a clash with the Manchester derby FA Cup Final.
Animal Rising protesters will need to set their alarm clocks for an early rising.
Move it back to a Wednesday and hype it up
Animal Rising protesters will need to set their alarm clocks for an early rising.
Move it back to a Wednesday and hype it up
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Looked at that one leif. Seems Buick can pick from a few.
Probably best to wait as late as you can to have a bet in it just in case the trust fund kids decide to disrupt the race leaving some highly strung thoroughbreds sweating up pre race and blowing their chances.
They claim they're taking 1k bodies to the meet.
They claim they're taking 1k bodies to the meet.
You hit the nail on the head. Impossible to have a bet with any confidence at present. That said, come the day, whatever I back I'll be disappointed if not placed with what I chose.
And with plenty of liquidity it shouldn't be hard to get matched.....in all place markets.
I'll stick with Auguste Rodin if nothing came to light a few days post 2000G. His present price of 6/1 (from 6/4) is fair, and could be rewarding and compensation for his non-event race in the 2000G.
1.30pm will be better for Agustin because his nap time at Ballydoyle is between 4 and 5.30pm.
Was that 2k form any good?
Can you excuse performances based on the ground?
This race today and the Dante later this month could throw up summat better.
Can you excuse performances based on the ground?
This race today and the Dante later this month could throw up summat better.
As the great Wille Carson said....'Classic form is always the best'.
Classic form where the fancies did not perform and the ground atrocious had to be approached with caution. I'm sure the Irish 2000G and St Palace Stakes will produce clearer water next month.
Why did AOB charges so negatively affected by new travel arrangement to Newmarket? Surely the same would have applied to other travellers eg Tahiyra, etc? Magic carrots?
AOB always fly his hosses on the day of the race
Not the day before as this was the case here
Not the day before as this was the case here
If there is any further rain between now and Saturday the 3rd of June, the Epsom Derby will be run at Chelmsford the following Monday. It will be run at 4pm to avoid a clash with Countdown.
Next year's renewal will be run at 1.30 pm on the 5th of June right after Loose Women.
BHA open to suggestions for 2025.
Next year's renewal will be run at 1.30 pm on the 5th of June right after Loose Women.
BHA open to suggestions for 2025.
With The Derby at 1.30pm AOB charges will have to leave home at 6am. I hope he's sorted out transport and logistic for this event otherwise last minute hiccup could induce a Newmarket repeat of performance from Auguste Rodin.
I think in 1998 he cocked up his travel plans with 2nd Empire
Wallet talking
Wallet talking
I think he experienced a bit of a sticky wicket recently too and needed a police escort to Epsom courtesy of the M25. A repeat of last year ie Luxembourg was scratched could be embarrassing too if no show by Auguste Rodin.
Back in those days they used a private airfield to ship hosses
I know because because i being to Ballydoyle
Nowdays they use a mainstream airport
I know because because i being to Ballydoyle
Nowdays they use a mainstream airport
WTF
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They have used Biggin Hill for their Epsom runners in the past
'We won't tolerate a repeat of the illegal disruption we saw at Aintree' - Jockey Club granted injunction to prevent Derby protests
The Jockey Club was on Friday granted an injunction against protestors attempting to spoil the Betfred Derby by a judge in a London court on Friday, but the head of Animal Rising said the protest group was only more determined to cause disruption at Epsom next Saturday.
The organisation, which owns Epsom, made its application on Monday against the backdrop of Aintree's Grand National being delayed last month, when members of Animal Rising stormed the track. It was fearful another of its flagship events would be disrupted by protestors.
Since then, Animal Rising has publicly voiced its determination to mobilise 1,000 people and interrupt proceedings at Epsom when the Derby takes place.
Animal Rising's Dan Kidby, who had this month met representatives from the Jockey Club, was among those in attendance at the Rolls Building on Friday, a venue used by the High Court of Justice, and the Jockey Club's application for an injunction detailed an expected additional cost of £150,000 for extra security.
Jockey Club chief executive Nevin Truesdale said: “Our number one priority will always be to ensure the safety of all our equine and human participants and racegoers, officials and our own employees is not compromised.
“Animal Rising have repeatedly made it explicitly clear that they intend to break the law and disrupt the Derby festival and that left us with no choice but to seek this injunction, having consulted with a number of stakeholders including Surrey Police.
“We will never tolerate a repeat of the illegal disruption we saw at Aintree on Grand National Day and we welcome today’s High Court ruling, which provides us with an additional layer of security to combat the threat of such dangerous and reckless behaviour.
“We believe everyone should have the right to peaceful protest and have offered Animal Rising an area near the entrance of Epsom Downs Racecourse to express their views in a law-abiding way. However, anyone who attempts to disrupt the race or compromise the safety of horses or humans will be dealt with robustly by our security teams and the police.
“As such I now urge Animal Rising to abandon any plans to breach security at the Derby festival and respect the legitimate right of the thousands of people who will join us at Epsom Downs and the millions of people watching at home and around the world to enjoy the sport they love uninterrupted.”
The hearing, overseen by judge Sir Anthony Mann, started just after 10.30am with Truesdale – who had supported the application with a tonne of evidence – sat to the left of communications colleague Barry Rabbetts, with Epsom's operations head Simon Durrant on the other side of him in the back row behind their law teams.
Two other members of Animal Rising were in attendance with Kidby, who was invited to take part in the hearing and had legal assistance on hand via the court, but declined as he feared incurring extra costs and referenced the Jockey Club's "very deep pockets".
Blackstone Chambers' Alan Maclean KC, arguing for the Jockey Club, was asked by Mann for a thorough explanation of the application, although he was soon stopped in his tracks when it was requested he spoke louder.
That prompted Kidby to move closer to the action despite his non-involvement and, without his bundle of legal documents, was provided with a pack by one of the opposition's representatives.
The judge queried which parts of the land at Epsom is leasehold and which is freehold, and the court heard how bylaws backed up the injunction as well as the fact horses canter down the entire course to the Derby start.
"There's no proper reason why anyone should be on the track," Maclean said, adding the Surrey circuit was a "peculiar area" with the height of Nelson's Column on it.
Mann was also keen to learn where and when members of the public could freely roam Epsom, which drew firm demonstrative nods from Durrant.
By 11.20am the unique twists and turns of Epsom and the case began to make "some sense" to Mann, who was told of clear evidence of protest plans, which featured in a national newspaper recently.
The trouble at Aintree and the disruption to the Grand National was also mentioned by Maclean, who brought up Sandy Thomson, trainer of the ill-fated Hill Sixteen, who believed the delay on Merseyside contributed to the stress and the horse's first-fence fall.
Maclean pointed out that Epsom vet Simon Knapp had warned in his pre-hearing evidence about the dangers of interrupting a Classic full of three-year-old colts, who were likened to "testosterone-fuelled teenagers".
Any delay to the Derby, it was added, would put the welfare of jockeys and horses at risk.
It was an "open-and-shut case", said Maclean, who was questioned how injunction notices would be given.
As well as publications online on the Jockey Club and Epsom website, he outlined notices would be put at every point to the famous track and on crossing points, while communication would be had with Animal Rising.
Mann said it was about striking a "balance between an absurd amount of wallpaper and giving notice". To the suggestion 50 notices would be dotted around various points of the site, he responded that would be "tiresome, but no doubt it can be arranged".
Describing the case as a "little bit complex" he paused to consider his decision at around 12.20pm. The hearing resumed at 2.15pm and the injunction was granted at around 3.20pm.
Kidby, 31, from Stroud, who had a lengthy chat with Truesdale after the hearing, did not confirm whether he will be at Epsom but believes Animal Rising will continue to go ahead with its plans despite the injunction.
He said: "My reaction to today is that Animal Rising remains committed to standing up for horses. We understood coming in here that injunctive relief would be sought and, in my view, injunctions are ways for big companies to buy laws.
"It's undemocratic and there is a long history of injunctions being used by large and wealthy corporations to deny people their right to protest, and the legal system facilitates that. We believed it [the injunction being granted] would happen, but it does not change Animal Rising's intentions – we've the same plan.
"We're willing to do whatever it takes to protect horses and other animals and transform our broken relationship with animals. Whether that means going to prison or incurring large financial costs, what we're doing is trying to do what's best for animals.
He added: "We're going to continue on and seek to stop the race going ahead. Animal Rising are a non-violent movement and than means we engage respectfully, honestly and transparently. I'm committed to dialogue with Nevin and his team, and I believe him and others do care for animals. I would note that as a result of that dialogue, it's led to these proceedings, but I'd do it again every day.
"We're non-violent and as part of that commitment we will not be going on the track when there is any danger to ourselves or the horses. It will be in between the races."
https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/derby-festival/jockey-club-granted...
The Jockey Club was on Friday granted an injunction against protestors attempting to spoil the Betfred Derby by a judge in a London court on Friday, but the head of Animal Rising said the protest group was only more determined to cause disruption at Epsom next Saturday.
The organisation, which owns Epsom, made its application on Monday against the backdrop of Aintree's Grand National being delayed last month, when members of Animal Rising stormed the track. It was fearful another of its flagship events would be disrupted by protestors.
Since then, Animal Rising has publicly voiced its determination to mobilise 1,000 people and interrupt proceedings at Epsom when the Derby takes place.
Animal Rising's Dan Kidby, who had this month met representatives from the Jockey Club, was among those in attendance at the Rolls Building on Friday, a venue used by the High Court of Justice, and the Jockey Club's application for an injunction detailed an expected additional cost of £150,000 for extra security.
Jockey Club chief executive Nevin Truesdale said: “Our number one priority will always be to ensure the safety of all our equine and human participants and racegoers, officials and our own employees is not compromised.
“Animal Rising have repeatedly made it explicitly clear that they intend to break the law and disrupt the Derby festival and that left us with no choice but to seek this injunction, having consulted with a number of stakeholders including Surrey Police.
“We will never tolerate a repeat of the illegal disruption we saw at Aintree on Grand National Day and we welcome today’s High Court ruling, which provides us with an additional layer of security to combat the threat of such dangerous and reckless behaviour.
“We believe everyone should have the right to peaceful protest and have offered Animal Rising an area near the entrance of Epsom Downs Racecourse to express their views in a law-abiding way. However, anyone who attempts to disrupt the race or compromise the safety of horses or humans will be dealt with robustly by our security teams and the police.
“As such I now urge Animal Rising to abandon any plans to breach security at the Derby festival and respect the legitimate right of the thousands of people who will join us at Epsom Downs and the millions of people watching at home and around the world to enjoy the sport they love uninterrupted.”
The hearing, overseen by judge Sir Anthony Mann, started just after 10.30am with Truesdale – who had supported the application with a tonne of evidence – sat to the left of communications colleague Barry Rabbetts, with Epsom's operations head Simon Durrant on the other side of him in the back row behind their law teams.
Two other members of Animal Rising were in attendance with Kidby, who was invited to take part in the hearing and had legal assistance on hand via the court, but declined as he feared incurring extra costs and referenced the Jockey Club's "very deep pockets".
Blackstone Chambers' Alan Maclean KC, arguing for the Jockey Club, was asked by Mann for a thorough explanation of the application, although he was soon stopped in his tracks when it was requested he spoke louder.
That prompted Kidby to move closer to the action despite his non-involvement and, without his bundle of legal documents, was provided with a pack by one of the opposition's representatives.
The judge queried which parts of the land at Epsom is leasehold and which is freehold, and the court heard how bylaws backed up the injunction as well as the fact horses canter down the entire course to the Derby start.
"There's no proper reason why anyone should be on the track," Maclean said, adding the Surrey circuit was a "peculiar area" with the height of Nelson's Column on it.
Mann was also keen to learn where and when members of the public could freely roam Epsom, which drew firm demonstrative nods from Durrant.
By 11.20am the unique twists and turns of Epsom and the case began to make "some sense" to Mann, who was told of clear evidence of protest plans, which featured in a national newspaper recently.
The trouble at Aintree and the disruption to the Grand National was also mentioned by Maclean, who brought up Sandy Thomson, trainer of the ill-fated Hill Sixteen, who believed the delay on Merseyside contributed to the stress and the horse's first-fence fall.
Maclean pointed out that Epsom vet Simon Knapp had warned in his pre-hearing evidence about the dangers of interrupting a Classic full of three-year-old colts, who were likened to "testosterone-fuelled teenagers".
Any delay to the Derby, it was added, would put the welfare of jockeys and horses at risk.
It was an "open-and-shut case", said Maclean, who was questioned how injunction notices would be given.
As well as publications online on the Jockey Club and Epsom website, he outlined notices would be put at every point to the famous track and on crossing points, while communication would be had with Animal Rising.
Mann said it was about striking a "balance between an absurd amount of wallpaper and giving notice". To the suggestion 50 notices would be dotted around various points of the site, he responded that would be "tiresome, but no doubt it can be arranged".
Describing the case as a "little bit complex" he paused to consider his decision at around 12.20pm. The hearing resumed at 2.15pm and the injunction was granted at around 3.20pm.
Kidby, 31, from Stroud, who had a lengthy chat with Truesdale after the hearing, did not confirm whether he will be at Epsom but believes Animal Rising will continue to go ahead with its plans despite the injunction.
He said: "My reaction to today is that Animal Rising remains committed to standing up for horses. We understood coming in here that injunctive relief would be sought and, in my view, injunctions are ways for big companies to buy laws.
"It's undemocratic and there is a long history of injunctions being used by large and wealthy corporations to deny people their right to protest, and the legal system facilitates that. We believed it [the injunction being granted] would happen, but it does not change Animal Rising's intentions – we've the same plan.
"We're willing to do whatever it takes to protect horses and other animals and transform our broken relationship with animals. Whether that means going to prison or incurring large financial costs, what we're doing is trying to do what's best for animals.
He added: "We're going to continue on and seek to stop the race going ahead. Animal Rising are a non-violent movement and than means we engage respectfully, honestly and transparently. I'm committed to dialogue with Nevin and his team, and I believe him and others do care for animals. I would note that as a result of that dialogue, it's led to these proceedings, but I'd do it again every day.
"We're non-violent and as part of that commitment we will not be going on the track when there is any danger to ourselves or the horses. It will be in between the races."
https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/derby-festival/jockey-club-granted...
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