bravemansgame

Yes
Maybe Dance's liquidators have not got their 50%

What a shame

Not from a betting point but from a racing point he as one of the most interesting runners at what I think is an underwhelming meeting all in.

Bravemansgame was ruled out of Thursday's Grade 1 Aintree Bowl on Wednesday evening following an intervention by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) prohibiting him from taking part.

Reason- Another,  supposed to be owned solely by Bryan Drew, or is J Dance still involved?

The BHA are getting a dose of their own medicine from the FCA
I can see Sean Curran will soon be training him
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Bravemansgame was ruled out of Thursday's Aintree Bowl Chase on Wednesday evening following an intervention by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) prohibiting him from taking part.

The Paul Nicholls-trained runner was due to compete under the sole ownership of Bryan Drew after John Dance was removed as joint-owner on Tuesday after his company, WealthTek LLP, was placed in special administration by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA).

The BHA released a statement on Wednesday evening which read: "In light of new information, including a court order, provided to the BHA on Wednesday 12 April by the Financial Conduct Authority (FCA) Bravemansgame is no longer able to take part in the race and has been withdrawn.

"The BHA will continue to liaise with the FCA and other affected parties."

The King George winner was a short-priced favourite to take on A Plus Tard and Shishkin in his first start since chasing home Galopin Des Champs in the Gold Cup last month.

In a fresh statement on its website, the FCA said: "The FCA has taken various steps to protect consumers following serious regulatory and operational issues coming to light. The FCA is in close contact with the Joint Special Administrators and further information will be made available by them in due course."

The FCA was correct. The horse belongs 50% to Vertems thus must be used to offset losses incurred by the entity former head honcho; the horse could be rendered valueless if something untoward was to happen during the race. A shame for horseracing.

Can anyone remember something similar happened in the 70/80's? Old money is best and kosher; cowboys come and go.

I wonder who advised Nicholls/Drew on the change of ownership. The BHA obviously approved it, maybe they advised it?

Killed the best race of meeting
Real shame

No doubt the BHA would have been consulted. But, the FCA ain't stupid. Remember what happened to the shock winner of the Triumph Hurdle trained by Elliot who then ran and got badly injured in the next race when its owner (an alleged drug dealer) was subject to a confiscation order by Customs and Excise? The horse lost almost all its value post injury.

Has John Dance made any comments? Usually you can't keep him quiet.

So, let me get this straight..24 hours after the BHA pulled a gambled on horse out of a race at Exeter over some apparent "integrity" issue over who actually owns the horse, the FCA have had to step in and stop a high profile horse from running after the BHA had approved an ownership change and OK'd a horse to run, who had been in the part-ownership of someone who is being investigated for financial irregularities?

Spot on George. You couldn't make it up and the BHA have in house lawyers

Shame was going to lay it to the hill with all that rain around.
ruined the race.

Indeed George absolutely farcical what’s going on and as fattie says killed the best race of the meeting,certainly the most interesting.

The do gooders,the animal rights,the online bookmakers and the fca the bha just bend over and say stick it as far up as you want.

Waboc

Cheltenham Gold Cup runner-up Bravemansgame has been withdrawn from the Aintree Bowl on the first day of the Grand National meeting.

It follows an intervention by the Financial Conduct Authority. Last week it ordered a firm founded by the racehorse's former joint owner John Dance to cease operations.

Bravemansgame, trained by Paul Nicholls, was due to compete under the sole ownership of Bryan Drew after Dance was removed as joint owner on Tuesday.

Dance founded Vertem Asset Management, one of three trading names for WealthTek LLP.

Last week the FCA said a 48-year-old man, who has not been named, was arrested by Northumbria Police after "serious regulatory and operational issues" came to light at WealthTek.

The British Horseracing Authority released a statement on Wednesday evening which read: "In light of new information, including a court order, provided to the BHA by the Financial Conduct Authority, Bravemansgame is no longer able to take part in the race and has been withdrawn.

"The BHA will continue to liaise with the FCA and other affected parties."

Five runners will now go to post for the race at 15:00 BST, including three who contested last month's Cheltenham Gold Cup.

The trainer doesn’t deserve this either

Pumpkin will be going mental, understandably.

Yes doorman you wouldn’t want to be pumpkins cat tonight as you say understandably,between the bha and the gc the sport is in dire straits.

Hard to know who is at fault here. How were they able to transfer the horse into Drew's sole name. Once BDO were appointed as administrators of Vertem/Dance etc they became the legal owner of a percentage of the horse. It sounds like they were not consulted and the BHA approved some illegal change of ownership?  I guess the true story will never be known as Nicholas/Drew are in a state of omerta

"Bravemansgame, the likely favourite for Thursday’s Grade One Aintree Bowl Chase, was sensationally taken out of the feature race on the opening day of this year’s Grand National meeting after a court order was made to prevent him running."

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/apr/12/horse-racing-bravemansgame-gold-cup-runner-up-aintree-john-dance?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

The question begging to be asked...Why the need for the court order?

I’m clueless mr c on legal stuff (probably clueless on most things)but if this was a major football event it would have been challenged immediately and the event would have gone ahead ,instead we have this incredibly weak organisation who run the sport I love.

Betfair Eddie
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Told everyone this was happening 4 days ago !!! Listen to Edward if you want facts “BREAKING: #Bravemansgame has been withdrawn from Thursday's Aintree Bowl Chase following new information, including a court order, provided to the BHA by the Financial Conduct Authority”

7th April
Betfair Eddie
@BetfairEddie
Bravemansgame will NOT run a court hearing tue or Wednesday is likely to ensure all equine stock of one owner is to be seized

Fair play to Eddie, he knew.

Betfair Eddie
@BetfairEddie
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Not sure how the BHA was fooled into a plan to get round very serious legal proceedings … when the full story comes out it won’t look good on the other owner or the trainer that they attempted to put this valuable asset at risk, racing as usual has no moral code

Well, they're the thoughts of Betfair Eddie.

So they thought they could just remove Dance's name from the ownership and the horse would be able to run

[insert pic of Juan Joya Borja]

How were they able to transfer the horse into Drew's sole name

presume they also transferred all of johns properties to drew, his Caribbean island and his 114-metre superyacht moored off José San Banus

Drew ... winning

More wideboy stuff from John Dunce ! Accounts from Company House say he has £2m of debts and £50k assets ?? The guy has alledgedly been  using millions of investors funds to buy  racehorses ( at silly prices), stables, yachts , in the hope the stock market keeps rebounding. Basically, high risk gambling , same as Terry Ramsden in 80's . Some people's pensions and life savings are going to be lost because our financial system is flawed , allowing clowns like Dunce-Dance to get an investment licence. The signs were there, quote : "in his spare time he is a DJ"..Jesus Christ, you couldn't make it up!

Terry Ramsden? I thought the bloke was astute to hold some very valuable Japanese bonds. But, his horseracing gambling was diabolical, naive and impulsive.

The horse is going to the Betfair Chase this saturday as long as the ground is not heavy - it's at the moment but weather forecast is good. Daryl Jacob will ride as Hobden is going to Ascot to ride Pic D'Orhy.

Is that astute given the King George at X'mas is his main target?

Gobsmacked Cobden would go to Ascot.

That was my take too. Despite what Pumpkin had declared I'd still doubt his participation given the exertions shown by previous protagonists (let alone the victor) at X'mas (only 4 weeks away), and being the reigning crown there too; sable-rattling to me.

Great Week end in Ireland just about every big gun is running.

I need somebody to explain to me why Cobden is going to Ascot to ride a 20-1 no hoper rather than Haydock to ride the well fancied Bravemansgame who Cobden loves like a Brother.....What the fack is going on?

I would conclude there is more chance of Oscar Pistorius catching Athletes Foot than Bravemansgame running at Haydock.

Because the ride he was given at Wetherby wasn't as good as you and many others in the racing media thought it was. The horse must be so well in himself, they have to run.

At the moment I think Protektorat (reigning victor) and L'Homme Presse are near certain runners on present ground; Shishkin, Bravemansgame and Gerri unlikely esp the last mentioned; the former and 2nd mentioned are King George bound.

itv/ruk got their work cut out to promote betfair chase as anything other than a graded snorefest, but they,ll manage it protek any price you like for gold cup built up as superstar

Was Betfair Chase used to be Kennedy Construction? Bookies sponsored races have lost their identity with me these days.

I think it's always been the "Betfair Chase", Impossible, though it's formally called the "Lancashire Chase".

Thank-you ' strontium'.

Is it the owner who wants Daryl Jacob? Cobden is a better jockey imo and so is Bryony.

Bravemansgame did the Haydock/KG double in 2021 but there was an extra fortnight's gap that year. Four weeks looks a bit tight.

I think Pumpkin indicated the owner of Pic D'Orhy has 16 horses with him. But, Bravemansgame will be Cobden's ride again.

Cobden is the best Jump Jockey riding in England and anybody that says otherwise dont know there Onions imho.

Nicholls said: "Harry's going to Ascot and he's got six good rides there. We've always had Pic D'Orhy in mind for Ascot, and Johnny's got 15 or 16 very nice horses in training with us and he needs looking after. Harry is very important to Pic D'Orhy, probably more so than the other way round with Bravemansgame.

"Sometimes when you have big meetings on a Saturday you have to make decisions that are right for everyone. I spoke to Bryan [Drew, owner of Bravemansgame] in depth and Harry, and he's got six good rides at Ascot including Pic D'Orhy in that big race so it was an easy decision. We'll let someone else have a ride of Bravemansgame so if in the future Harry's not able to ride him then we have someone used to riding him and there's a first reserve, as it were."

I think Cobden will be seething i know where he would rather be.

Bravemansgame is worth 50 of Pic D'Orhy.

Look what happened at Closutton when Mr Mullins prioritised one owner over another eg Ricci (Douvan) and Wylie (Shaneshill)? It did not last for long. Similarly, Ricci and Gigginstown.

Looks like he will run i am still gobsmacked Cobden is not on board...Would love somebody in the Media to ask Cobden how he feels about it.

It's all very odd. And even if one takes the Cobden has to go to Ascot bit at face value, Jacob seems a very strange choice of sub.

Do you think so?...Has rode more Betfair Chase Winners than anybody.

Nicholls has sacked him once, and he wouldn't ride Big Bucks or other top horses in the yard when he was the stable jockey. Plus imo he's a poor jockey.

Fair enough i have to disagree though i think he is very good.

I'm often wrong

He said: "When you have a horse like Bravemansgame you don't want to see anyone riding one of the best of 'your' horses. It's a tough one for any rider to see the best horse in the yard ridden by someone else, but Paul and the owners have got a plan and that's what they want to do, so they have my full support.

"I'm disappointed I can't be in two places at once but I've got plenty of nice rides at Ascot that I'm looking forward to. None of those horses are a Bravemansgame, but they have some really good chances. Johnny de la Hey is the biggest owner in the yard and I wouldn't want to let him down either.

"Paul's won more Grade 1s than most people and he knows exactly what he's doing. Bryan is an understanding owner and a top man, and everyone wants what's best for the horse."

Nicholls revealed in his Betfair blog that Jacob would ride Bravemansgame should ground conditions mean he is given the go-ahead to run in the Betfair Chase, with the jockey schooling the eight-year-old on Monday morning in preparation for the race.

So what would those of you who think there is something fishy going on have done?
a) Withdrawn Bravemansgame,
b) Upset Mr and Mrs de la Hey and Chris Giles.
c) Ask the owner of Bravemansgame if he was willing to have Jacob ride the horse. If he said yes then everyone is happy apart from a few media hacks who want to create trouble. I would choose c.

Did anyone ask Nico what he'd do if Hendo did the same with Constitution Hill to kowtow to the largest patron in the yard? I'd think Nico would politely tell Hendo to go and fly a kite!

No comparison at all. CH is a superstar. We may already have seen the best of Bravemansgame and he is not even a certain runner! And Nico is not going all out for the jockey champs which Harry Cobden is.

Ask Cobden where he wants to go pure and simple.

Cobdens getting his arsed kicked by The Boss a blind Man can see that....No surprise Nicholls has plenty of previous.

The time between the two Group races is 90 mins, and the distance between Haydock and Ascot is 200 miles. Could this not be done with a helicopter?

Anyway, to forego the ride on Bravemansgame for Pic D'Orhy and a few non-events at Ascot is crass, and incomprehensible.

Stop pretending you don’t know the rule about only riding at one meeting per day.

They are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I doubt if Cobden wants to lose any of the De la Hey rides.

I cannot remember AOB doing that to Moore on a Gp 1 race - one ride or not. Maybe Pumpkin reconsiders nearer saturday.

Totally forgotten about one meeting per day. I was still thinking about AOB on Epsom Day a few years ago flying back to Leopardstown/Curragh post Epsom.

Anyway, Bravemansgame all day long for me unless he's withdrawn on the day of the race.

(i) I'd take Bryony over DJ to ride if Cobden not available; i think her style would suit his easy jumping action. I presume DJ has links to one of the BMG owners.

(ii) If Pic wins on Saturday, finishing well, he's entered for the King George... what then

Joint favs take your pick.

Protekterat is no star, but this is presumably his big target for the year, and he'll be trained to the moment.

yes Trained to the minute i would say.

Shishkin has done a runner. He's almost a certain runner at Ascot on the same day. As such, Pic D'Orhy (Cobden's principal ride) has Shishkin to contend with. With that in mind Cobden would be crass not to ride Bravemansgame at Haydock, if he runs; Bravemansgame will see off a fit Protektorat - all things being equal.

Race has come soon enough for Bravemansgame i cant split them.

The Betfair is only 3 weeks from the Charlie Hall, and the anticipated going at Haydock could be soft (again). I think the owner is going for the prize money which is considerable. And, this will go some way towards his purchase price.

How much did Bravemansgame go for? The winner of the Betfair takes home £112k.

Would be a no-bet race for me. No way of knowing how fit BMG will be. Given the number of times his target was said to be the King George, probably not 100%. But will have to have come on quite a bit from Wetherby to beat a tip-top Protektorat.

Meanwhile, will be interesting to see how Gallopin des Champs does at Punchestown, especially if Fastorslow reopposes. The 2023 Gold Cup form will be much clearer come Sunday night.

is corach rambler an intended runner ?

Corach Rambler next intended race could be the Betfair of Coral Gold Cup as reported post his defeat 1st time out. And, Minella Drama is doubtful too, and could be Ascot bound similar to Shishkin.

With so much prize monies up for grabs it would be folly to forego, I think.

Bravemansgame will be superfit.

Still negotiating his fee.

Rang threed Mupett.

Muppet? Pumpkin?

No meant for other thread.