Fat finger Gentleman

Christ!!!

Brown trousers all round

Some folk nearly laying 1000, others getting gubbed at 4s on. Hope not the same person

Brown trousers all round

Some folk nearly laying 1000, others getting gubbed at 4s on. Hope not the same person

8th June 2007 Metal detector, £290 matched at 999/1 after the 1st fence, Thommo said he unseated but it was Toy Boy who also had red silks. Of course Metal detector went on to win by 18 lengths

Monet on 7

glad to say the guy is still doing well would have most people out selling the big issue.

Ronnie.

Monet on 7

glad to say the guy is still doing well would have most people out selling the big issue.

Ronnie.

Monet on 7

glad to say the guy is still doing well would have most people out selling the big issue.

Ronnie.

Monet on 7

glad to say the guy is still doing well would have most people out selling the big issue.

Ronnie.

Towcester Hunt.

Were you really THAT glad, Ronnie!

well sed ronnie..rico still flying

2007 ffs dont time fly

Wasn't it Tommo that day?

I will give the guy his due a pal of mine was at Thornaby that day told me the guy took it very well. what i cant understand is why so many people like to see winners fail.

Ronnie.

Because it's an exchange. If he's winning, even after Betfair have taken their slice, then a lot of other people must be losing.

Didn't used to be like that when it was us (punters) versus them (bookmakers).

You still win from other punters not ( successful )  bookmakers. Haven't you read the first pages of Alan Potts book ?

was that wetherby wes ?  ( been cooking tea )

Quite right Ronnie . I have known many gamblers over the years who take great delight in other people losing  . It can be seen on here regularly. Also some get a real kick out of 1.01"s etc been beaten etc , and seem to post it so quickly , almost as if they are waiting for disaster to strike as the race has only finished a few seconds ago . Quite sad really .

The G Man of years gone by was a classic example of the above . Couldnt wait to post about a " Gubbage Convention "which had just taken place . It looks like it did him no good , as it looks like he was gubbed himself , and has never returned !

something in what you say sludge but I have an interest in what trades very short and for how much ( also 1000's ) to try and learn other people's mistakes.  After all anyone winning on here has taken advantage of other people's "mistakes" as a whole.

Oh i am with you on that Howard.....i appreciate its " person to person " betting and is in affect quickest, fittest, best etc . What i was really meaning was why would anyone want to make a meal of it when someone had obviously done their brains in . In fact when i used to be in the trading rooms it was an unwritten rule that there was no real comment when their was an obvious race where carnage happened . Ofcourse inside your head ( as it may have actually benefited you ) you maybe jumping for joy .....but you had the class to stay quiet .

Apr 6, 2023 -- 6:23PM, howard wrote:

was that wetherby wes ?

Yeah, 4.55

Holt called Gentleman De Mai as a faller.

thanks wes . Had a look back didn't win but nervous viewing.

Thing is I don't think many of these big players look at the forum. Rico an exception. I remember him saying on here he was the only one in office  "daft " enough.

Howard, I haven't read any of Mr Potts's books (nothing personal, we used to get on perfectly well together when we exchanged a brief opinion by the pre-parade rings).

But I'm guessing you mean that bookmakers were simply holding the punters' money and providing a medium for those punters to bet against each other. It's a lovely idea, but it's not what most of them ended up doing.

You soon got to recognize the ones who took money on the basis of getting enough in the hod at any price to pay out the winners of the last race; or the ones whose sticker-in wanted to lay one he'd been told couldn't win; or the ones who took a view on the basis of what they'd read during half an hour spent glancing through the Life in the car park beforehand; the ones who fancied themselves as paddock judges; the ones who were simply so independently wealthy that it was all just a bit of fun.

Plenty of them were punters as well as bookmakers. An exchange between the late, great Ivor Perry and his clerk one day at Newton Abbot summed it up for me ("how's the book doing , Robert?" "The book's doing fine, Ivor, but that's not the question, is it.")

As I acknowledged, some of them tried to play it straight and make a book. But they weren't the ones you wanted to bet with. Which is why it always felt a battle between us and them to me (and why it was a hell of a lot easier in those pre-Betfair days).

Screaming , very interesting stuff. I used to have a Yorkshire tracks Tatts passport for a few years in the early 80's so went racing a lot. Don't know whether the West Country weather encouraged more "hobby " bookies down there but it wasn't really an angle I thought about which I suppose was an error but in those days there was 4% tax so I knew the damage that did and pulled back from playing really big. I might have worried about not getting paid if I thought they were "gamblers"

Lovely stuff 1000 backers whoever you are 

Getting paid could indeed be an issue!

But that would be another thread altogether. Anyway, they all paid up eventually, though not everyone was so lucky (see the example of Dougie Goldstein t/a Benny Services on the rails, until five favourites went in one winter afternoon at Ascot).

Screaming.

Think that day VC had a few doubles trebles fourtimers  and a five timer with him that day.

Hope you are well.

Ronnie.

Screaming the returns of vc bet came to 56k if the last one had one had won it would have been 300k.
Dougie was never seen on the racecourse again but Victor saw him one evening in London he could not believe what he saw.

Ronnie.

Fascinating, ronnie. I never knew the background to how Dougie did so much money in one afternoon. Thanks. Hope you managed to catch a bit of sunshine today, away from the gloom of the shop.

That day was Victor Chandler Chase day - the one where Desert Orchid gave no less than 22 lb to Panto Prince and somehow rallied to beat him. He was one of 5 winning favourites on the day, and the other race went to Slalom, which, as a second favourite from the Michael Robinson yard, was probably an even worse result for the books.

The form figures of the six winners that day - what chance did a rails layer have?

Pertemps Network 1111311

Desert Orchid 211-1111

Delius 4 / 111-F1

Sondrio 111

Slalom 432-1111

Alekhine 123-111

https://www.racingpost.com/results/1989-01-14

Dougie Goldstein didn't turn up at Fontwell on the Monday (just as well, with 4 winning favourites and the other two races going to second favs trained by Peter Hedger and John Jenkins). And that was that. His aircraft-seating business was said to have crashed as well. I wonder what happened to his staff, because they were said to be betting in thousands themselves.

Screaming
was in the shop till 4 today in all day Saturday  and working bank holiday Monday so sad to say not much sun for me.Talking about Bath a guy who lives down the road from me had a runner in the second race sad to say finished last, any idea how much the cost  of transport would be for the horse from Darlo.

hope you are well.

Ronnie.

Screaming.

Pertempts knetwork  been lucky to have been invited to there box at Cheltenham many a time all very nice people.

Ronnie.

The cost doesn't bear thinking about. Especially as she was Dods' only runner of the day.

The horse looked a scrawny little thing in the paddock. Nothing like a sprinter at all.

Do trainers not share transport? Phil Kirby had two runners there and Dods horse box would pass the end of his road.