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GEORGE.B
06 Apr 23 10:13
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I've just read the Richard Forristal piece in the RP about the apparent doping of the John Butler-trained Superseded at Chelmsford in March 2020. Kevin Blake has also written about this in his ATR blog.

https://www.attheraces.com/blogs/kevin-blake/03-April-2023/doping-at-british-racecourses

Sent off at 7-2, Supersceded ran like a hairy old goat would, beaten 23 lengths in a five furlong race having never travelled. The stewards on the day ordered that the horse be dope tested and it came back positive for the sedative Azaperone, which can be prescribed by vets for pigs but is not licensed for use in horses (or humans). The amount given was described as "significant" by Butler's legal representative Rory MacNiece.

John Butler told the Nick Luck podcast that the BHA concluded from the evidence gathered that the substance was likely administered intravenously 60 - 90 minutes before the race, strongly suggesting Superseded was injected in the stable yard at Chelmsford, but the CCTV on the evening was not good enough to identify who accessed the horse's stable.

Are horses being 'nobbled' more than people might think?

There was the Viking Hoard case at Tramore in 2018. Also the two cases at Newcastle in the same year when Ladies First and Victoriano were "got at" and for which two stable yard maintenance staff were banned for 10 years after it was found they'd fed the horses a substance containing Timolol, a beta blocker.
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Report dave1357 April 6, 2023 10:29 AM BST
Midfield, dropped to rear after 1f, ridden and lost touch over 1f out, eased inside final furlong, finished 9th, disqualified - prohibited substance (following an enquiry into the gelding's performance, jockey said the gelding did not face the kickback; trainer's rep said the gelding jumped awkwardly from the stalls and was never travelling thereafter) (op 11/4)

rofl they just make up any old sh1te to tell the stewards
Report Ramruma April 6, 2023 11:01 AM BST
There is clearly a case for upgrading stable cctv so that its images are usable (and btw how long is it kept for?). That can be done more or less immediately and should not cost too much. Extending post-race drug testing for all beaten horses below a certain SP would cost more (and do the labs have the capacity?).

The BHA should be lobbying the government in its review of gambling legislation for data to be shared so that "suspicious betting patterns" can be more easily identified, although good luck extending that to unlicensed layers.
Report Ramruma April 6, 2023 11:13 AM BST
btw at the bottom of the Racing Post's report, we find:-

Separately, Butler was fined £1,000 by the disciplinary panel for failing to notify the BHA in time that a horse had been gelded, his fourth contravention of the rule.
https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/bha-urged-to-improve-racecourse-security-as-john-butler-makes-pig-tranquiliser-claim-aEgbu1W7C3PI/
Report formoftheace April 6, 2023 11:43 AM BST
Today’s technology and you get fuzzy images…..rancid imo
Report formoftheace April 6, 2023 11:45 AM BST
Harry Whittington on the Nick Luck show on Sunday morning……not good
Report DIFERENT GRAVY 12 April 6, 2023 12:01 PM BST
Everything I have bet in the last 2 weeks has been nobbled imo.
Report GEORGE.B April 6, 2023 12:18 PM BST
"no suspicious betting patterns"?

Kevin Blake writes:

"The fact that the BHA failed to unearth any suspicious betting patterns in their investigation into either case seems to have put many at ease that this wasn’t a betting-related conspiracy, but such a view is very naive. Non-traditional betting mediums based outside of the reach of the BHA and their memorandums of understandings with regard to information sharing (often in the Far East) are now very accessible to those that wish to avail of them. Money bet in these markets doesn’t tend to get back into the domestic markets to impact the odds, so a whole other world of betting driven by information that one of the fancied runners in a race has zero chance of competing could be playing out with the SP market being none the wiser."
Report formoftheace April 6, 2023 12:34 PM BST
They seem to forget,especially the people who are in the game for the love of horses……it’s cruel and dangerous….just a thought like…..

No one cares…….imo..
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