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ribero1
29 Mar 23 10:26
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Remember when you used to get the odd gamble landed with a cheap speedy early 2 y o,then it became the domain for the likes of Mick Channon and Richard Fahey,just looked at the entries,Boughey with a 100k purchase but the stand out is 3 horses (obviously probably only 1 will run) under the AMO banner with a combined sales total of 700k euros all trained by Dominic French-Davis.

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By:
TheAnorak
When: 29 Mar 23 11:18
Not to mention the 140,000 gns one from Palmer with the odd name - The Bitter Moose. Sounds like a remote Canadian pub.

Mr Ffrench-Davis once trained a 2yo maiden winner at Salisbury. As I walked past the weighing room, the Racing UK presenter leaned against the rail, called me over and whispered 'Do you know what Dominic Ffrench-Davis looks like?'
By:
ribero1
When: 29 Mar 23 11:52
Hi anorak,yes I forget the Palmer one,didn't realise French-Davis had been added to the AMO roster? in no uncertain terms either,see he has one in the maiden previously with David Loughnane,I too would have to ask you the same question as Racing TV guy.
By:
GLASGOWCALLING
When: 29 Mar 23 11:56
Wouldnt have connected DFD with AMO if I had a Thousand guesses. Strange one imo.
By:
acey deucy
When: 29 Mar 23 12:41
Probably for the first time ever i could not care less about the start of The Flat Season.
By:
jimnast
When: 29 Mar 23 13:07
Funny you say that acey I am totally the opposite for the first time in many years I am really looking forward.
By:
acey deucy
When: 29 Mar 23 13:14
I think it's an age thing you spend Years losing Money and in the end you say what is the point.Grin
By:
acey deucy
When: 29 Mar 23 13:14
I think it's an age thing you spend Years losing Money and in the end you say what is the point.Grin
By:
DIFERENT GRAVY 12
When: 30 Mar 23 15:42
18 declared

Crystal ball required!
By:
acey deucy
When: 30 Mar 23 15:59
Just had a look at the card and i am going nowhere near it.Scared
By:
truehoncho
When: 30 Mar 23 16:48
They may have cost a lot of money but they are still early season cheapies. It looks a good renewal on paper and recently some have done well out of it but I doubt we will see a superstar.
By:
barstool
When: 30 Mar 23 17:21
Back in the day today would have been the first day of the new flat season.

First race used to be an apprentice handicap, if my memory serves me well.

Think Doug Smith won it with his first runner as a trainer.

Would appreciate knowing the name if anyone can unearth it.
By:
leif
When: 30 Mar 23 17:38
18K to winner this year as opposed to just 6K last.
Devans has two in it one of which is a Jan 5th colt that's had its nads chopped off and is both tongue tied and hooded. Pedigree doesn't suggest it's a sprinter though.
Balding's hoss well bred.
By:
formoftheace
When: 30 Mar 23 18:08
One word sums up


Nightmare….imo.
By:
Llamedos
When: 30 Mar 23 18:53
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Back in the day today would have been the first day of the new flat season.

First race used to be an apprentice handicap, if my memory serves me well.

Correct Barstool. The winning Apprentice would get a lot of press the next day as he would have been leading the jockey's championship for at least one race.
By:
MJK
When: 30 Mar 23 19:04
Could be a long day when you already have those that run the track apologising in advance re the state of the surface
By:
blackbarn
When: 30 Mar 23 19:35
barstool - Doug Smith = Owen Anthony.
By:
barstool
When: 30 Mar 23 19:41
Thank you blackbarn.

Would that of been late sixties?
By:
barstool
When: 30 Mar 23 19:43
1968

just answered my own question.
By:
blackbarn
When: 30 Mar 23 19:58
Well done!Cool
By:
onlooker
When: 30 Mar 23 20:14
Doug Smith inherited Owen Anthony, and several other horses, from Trainer Geoffrey Brooke, when Brooke retired.

Doug Smith often rode for Geoffrey Brooke; he my even have been retained stable jockey.

Geoffrey Brooke trained at Clarehaven Stables - now the Stables of John Gosden
By:
barstool
When: 31 Mar 23 10:26
Thanks onlooker.

Did Geoffrey Brooke train Raffingora before it won all those races for Bill Marshall?

Have a feeling Doug Smith was beaten on it when long odds on in a two horse race in the north somewhere.

Then again, it might have been another horse knowing my memory.

Doug Smith was my favourite jockey back then. Used to wait eagerly for the Lancashire Evening post to see how many winners he had. Happy days.Happy
By:
blackbarn
When: 31 Mar 23 12:09
I don't know who trained Raffingora in his 2yo season when he won twice in six runs (probably Brooke), but Doug Smith trained him in his 3yo season when he won once in nine starts. Ended the season with a Timeform d rated 109 and sold for "only 1800gns Newmarket Autumn Sales". Following season trained by the great Bill Marshall, rated 125 and the rest is history. For what its worth, my uncle Jack said Doug Smith couldn't train ivy up a tree.
By:
onlooker
When: 31 Mar 23 12:10
Yes -barstool  - I seem to recall that thought from the depths of the back of my mind, too.

Raffingora was foaled in 1965 - so would be a 2-yr-old in 1967.

Geoffrey Brooke retired at the end of the 1967 season.
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I believe that there was also an old codgers racing saying of ...

'Always back Doug Smith at Manchester' - and, apparently, he had an excellent strike-rate on that Castle Irwell
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To the contrary - Another old-timer once told me a story ...

  The Daily Mail used to run a Bet called - The Daily Mail 'Roll-Up'

The idea was to Tip an around EVENS Winner each time  - in a 20'Horse Accumulator - Starting with a £1 Stake.

There was Not a Selection every day - and the Daily Mail Racing pages often proclaimed ... 'ROLL-UP' - NO Selection Today.

The furthest that they ever got was about 13 or 14 Winners - and everybody was getting excited - as the Stake had grown to around £5,000 (13 Winners) or £10,000 (14 Winners) - a massive amount in the 1960s

Punters were waiting with bated breath for the next Selection - and one, typically negative, Punter was said to say ...

'They've done well so far - But he hasn't chosen one ridden by Doug Smith, yet'.

Sure enough - The next Selection Was ridden by Doug Smith .... and the exciting sequence came to an end. Sad
By:
blackbarn
When: 31 Mar 23 12:13
http://theapprenticejockey.blogspot.com/2011/12/it-will-be-long-time-before-we-see-his.html

Raffingora!!
By:
onlooker
When: 31 Mar 23 12:14
*  ^  The idea was to Tip an around EVENS Winner each time  - in a 20-Horse Accumulator - Starting with a £1 Stake  ...

- and trying to Win £1 Million  for the 'Roll-Up'  sequence.
By:
second again
When: 31 Mar 23 12:14
Crown sponsored the opening apprentice race for a few years,I think it was the first race in a series with a final later on in the year.
By:
onlooker
When: 31 Mar 23 12:22
Correct - second again = Crown Paints
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 31 Mar 23 12:32
The sort of race where a sole lucky pin isn't sufficient and maybe several wouldn't be.

Not a race to bet in really unless you were privy to stable information, but amongst the outsiders i thought the Grant Tuer trained filly Bellarchi could surprise around 25/1 with the books. A £30,000 yearling, speedily bred (dam won over 5f) and a mid-field draw. Trainer stats with 2-year-old newcomers a negative, but that could be said for many here. Good luck whatever you play.
By:
clacton
When: 31 Mar 23 12:52
Onlooker I can remember the Daily Mail Roll-up.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 31 Mar 23 18:53
I doubt I'll have a bet but further to Andrew's post, Bellarchi's dam won on its debut.  Mehmas 2yo's are 16% on soft.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 31 Mar 23 20:14
Bellarchi N/R
By:
11kv
When: 31 Mar 23 20:37
Hearts of Fire was my last bet in this race,from Pat himself biggest bet ever had on a horse,Hughes and Mulrennan were riding out there and word got out Pat was not amused.Saw the horse on the gallops most days in the lead up to the race and it was a machine.And they knew it.Happy days.2009

RIP Pat.
By:
Andrew.in.Sweden
When: 31 Mar 23 20:38
I agree with Nick

Bellarchi's dam won on its debut

Sire, dam and dam-sire all won on 2 year old debut

A pity it's been pulled out, an interesting runner.
By:
i_agree_with_nick
When: 31 Mar 23 21:58
Yes.  Also, part-owned by Grant Tuer.
By:
sageform
When: 01 Apr 23 12:52
Not noted for early 2yos but Andrew Balding is steadily getting more early types in the last 2 years. Loaded Gun is his runner in the Brocklesby.
By:
Trident
When: 01 Apr 23 13:16
Pin Job. Wouldn't be surprised if a real upset this year.
By:
sageform
When: 01 Apr 23 14:01
Winner not favourite but backed. Second was favourite so the market was not far wrong.
By:
acey deucy
When: 01 Apr 23 14:04
Shame the fav just got beat i really wanted it to Win for the Trainer and the punters of course.
By:
GEORGE.B
When: 09 Apr 23 14:33
The form gets its first test with two of the also rans turning up in the next at Southwell. Hugh Taylor has tipped Tees Douge, who finished behind Part Time Britain, when they finished 10th and 11th.
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