constitution hill fans ...

my reasoning for the 10 lengths or more is they might want to really push him out and make a  spectacular show of it if he really is the real deal .

like last yr..the faster they go the better he is

imo

yes all the talk is of how he could be the best ever an all that , im thinking of a scenario state man goes off in front hard  hoping to burn him off, cons hill tracking him in 2nd or 3rd and like in the supreme last year nico is running all over them at the turn and goes into turbo mode and pulls right away .

no chance of burning him off..turn it into a sprint and more vulnerable.

could be rico we will see the mullins camp will have a plan, but if c hill is as good as they are all saying may not matter how they run the race !  just the 7/2 10l appealed to me.

Some mullins horse will beat it

I keep telling you Mugs.....He gets beat.

never got the gist of betting on distances,absolute mug bet unless you know the jockey.

in normal circs yes betting on distances is a muggy bet but i just think with all the hype and expectation around the horse they may well want to put up a show and see how good he really is .all about opinions tho and one mans poisen and all that ! saying that my pocket would be far more happy if one of the mullins 2 wins .

I must admit it is the only Race i am really excited about and anybody that thinks C.H only has to canter around (everybody bar me)is in for a shock.

as said acey i have backed state man at 13ave  and vauban around 20s on here  ante post months ago but the fav" could" be in  a different league and if he is then i still have a chance of a pick up.

Sounds like you have all the angles covered Foyle good luck.

Sounds like you have all the angles covered

Constitution Hill wins by 9L or less, all bets down ?

some angles covered ! then of course a complete boilover could happen  and plenny get burned ,but its gambling and horseracing and anything can happen ,nothing is certain but the uncertainty is one of the reasons why we play.

Good luck Foyles, personally i think the fav wins relatively easily, but it's all about opinions

Rico "never got the gist of betting on distances,absolute mug bet unless you know the jockey."   Yeah remember a case from Catterick in the 80's.  Long odd-on shot won a neck with jock holding on to it all last furlong. Trainers dad will have been selling distance cos it was more than a fool the h'capper job.

Rico "never got the gist of betting on distances,absolute mug bet unless you know the jockey."   Yeah remember a case from Catterick in the 80's.  Long odd-on shot won a neck with jock holding on to it all last furlong. Trainers dad will have been selling distance cos it was more than a fool the h'capper job.

And yes the likely plan is State Man trying to drop anchor in front and get first run in a speed test.  Don't think Nico will allow that if the pace is too slow he will take up the running himself.

So over 10 lengths unlikely imo just due to the nature of the race.

If they are thinking of going to AIntree & Punchestown would doubt they will want to see how far it can win by.
Once hes gone 10 clear up the run in would be nothing more frustrating to see Nico drop anchor and start waving to the crowd.
Dont think the race is going to be ideally set up for Constitution to show his true greatness.

Do i think Constitution is a 10 lengths plus superior horse . Most definetly!!

Once hes gone 10 clear up the run in would be nothing more frustrating to see Nico drop anchor and start waving to the crowd.

Geoff, don't forget stopping to light a Hamlet

I dont believe what i am reading here...I think he will fold like a cheap Tent when the Mullins pair get to work on him.

Acey

Of course there is a risk many CH backers (me included) will be deemed mugs by your goodself if he gets beaten, but you have to realise it works both ways

Of course Andrew.

Hi Andrew. I don't think anyone opposing short price horses are mugs. But I do see Acey's point. The risks are low and the rewards high. If he is successful he will dine out on it for a very long time. 

However I cannot see CH beaten at all, not because of his record but because of the opposition. I backed CH on 26th November, Fighting Fifth Day, for the CH and I can't even remember seeing State Man as a danger then. That is how poor the division is. CH has beaten stable companions on his last three starts, Might I, a maiden winner and Jetoile, a maiden winner on his other two.

I love watching and backing top class horses its just the hype is sometimes overwhelming. It was good to see on the Racing Post website 'Don't get ahead of yourself - Constitution Hill has a long way to go to join Champion Hurdle greats'.

Written by an Irishman by any chance ? If you just want to look back and have an opinion which horses were the best fine but that approach doesn't do you any good as a backer. They knew CH was something special when they pressed the button at home. Didn't need a racecourse.

Have you ever worked in stables Howard? Have you ever heard of morning glories? Possibly not?

I am not Irish, if you are talking to me? Whatever that means. CH is clearly the best around at the moment but the best against what? I would like to see him race against something decent before I crown him anything more than the best around at the moment.

Sea Pigeon won the Ebor carrying 10st, the Chester Cup twice, Champion Hurdle twice, Scottish Champion Hurdle twice, Fighting Fifth twice, Welsh Champion Hurdle among other races. He beat some truly great hurdlers in his time and goodness only knows how good he would have been if he was given the racing schedule Constitution Hill will have. I am prepared to give him time to earn his spurs but he still has a long way to go.

At least he has got us all talking brig,two Weeks Today it cant come soon enough....Super excited.

Sweetman I'm talking about. Well he's done plenty on course so we know HE is not a morning glory. But again it's two different things. Historian or punter. Fine if anyone wants to be the former. Most of these really good horses show it nearly straight away. Quite a few were on STS for the guineas. Also Nashwan. They took a view very early with class horses that were better over further.

I rode Nashwan a couple of times.

Then again most of the yard did till he became a SooopaStar.

Was Dave Blythe still the blacksmith then Acey?

I think he was Brig the name rings a bell Geordie Cambell was Head Lad.

Respect Acey   

Brilliant brigust!  What a horse.  It seems a million years ago so few have been like him since.

Talking about unbeaten horses....

Does anyone reckon someone out there had a lifetime acca on Frankel ?

Paid slightly under 70/1.

best value bet i ever had Kev was on Frankel @12/1 to remain unbeaten as a 3yr old wiv Corals - limited to £50 max stake and had to run at least 3 times for bet to stand - as we knew from that old site a few seemed to know he was a bit special even as a  2yr old

Well you're the nearest then Paul , great bet.   

Btw that date i gave you for Hospital on Feb 20th is now April 3rd , incase you're wondering how i'm still alive & posting.

no probs mate we both know how the NHS works admin wise - they recently sent me two new dates for a scan after i had had the scan two days earlier - nurse at scan mentioned that there was 1 extra date for same scan and she wud get it cancelled then postie delivered letters wiv two new dates

ps you will be ok mate - just keep being positive cos thats more than half the battle imo - nee point feeling sorry for ourselves

I've still got my private healthcare from working but won't use it , rather wait a bit longer and be treated by people i know from the past and comfortable with.

Sounds daft i know but still.

They've said i'll be in for 7-10 days so by my reckoning i'll be out for the first day of Aintree 

When did you realise Nashwan was a great horse Acey.??

Acey can stop trains, I bet he managed to get Nashwan beat on the gallops.

Machine

For a short spell of his racing life Nashwan was brilliant.  For all of his racing life Frankel was brilliant.  I would call him the "machine" personally.

Not early on that is for sure geoff big lean two Year old who just got better and better....And yes i did miss out on all the fancy prices for The Guineas.

Looks like your late cottoning on to another great as well then!!

As for the "Hill" if he does manage to fulfil all his promise and win the Champion Hurdle, in doing so he may well beat three Champion Hurdlers and three Champion Hurdle placers, as well as a Triumph Hurdle winner - that;s assuming that the horses concerned all stand their ground and run.
That would be some haul which may never have been achieved before.
I hope he does because we need a superstar to take the headlines away from less positive stuff going on at present.

Not taking anything away from the Hill but he will have to go some to beat the great Night Nurse who i think from memory he beat the winners of 7 Champion Hurdles.Plus a few placed @ least

Of course Night Nurse was special, and he raced in an era full of red hot competition when there were several very gifted hurdlers to beat.  Then only Little Owl stopped him winning a Gold Cup too.
What a horse.