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£1,000,000 minimum guarantee Placepot every day of Cheltenham:
Placepot Guarantees
Friday - Wolverhampton £100,000
Saturday – Kempton Park £250,000
Sunday - Hereford £100,000
Scoop6
Win Fund rollover £99,050
Bonus Fund rollover £24,539
Estimated combined pools £160,000
Saturday Scoop6 Races
1.50 Kempton – 2m Grade 2 Coral Adonis Juvenile Hurdle, 8 declared
3.00 Kempton – 3m Coral Trophy Premier Handicap Chase, 13 declared
3.25 Newcastle – 4m1f Vertem Eider Handicap Chase, 15 declared
3.55 Fairyhouse – 3m1f Grade 3 Tote Fantasy Bobbyjo Chase, 9 declared
4.10 Kempton – 2m5f 0-140 Handicap Hurdle, 11 declared
4.45 Kempton – 2m4f 0-130 Handicap Chase, 11 declared
Trifecta rollover race: 3.00 Kempton – Coral Trophy Premier Handicap Chase
As of last night there was a rollover of £9,087 so there should be a decent pool
ITV7 Placepot based on the ITV7:
Saturday
1.50 Kempton
1.57 Chepstow
2.05 Lingfield
2.25 Kempton
3.00 Kempton
3.25 Newcastle
3.40 Kempton
Fantasy races
Friday 24th Feb
2.00 Warwick
2.30 Warwick
3.00 Warwick
3.15 Exeter
3.35 Warwick
4.10 Warwick
4.17 Exeter
Saturday 25th Feb
1.50 Kempton
2.25 Kempton
2.45 Fairyhouse
3.00 Kempton
3.25 Newcastle
3.40 Kempton
3.55 Fairyhouse
Sunday 26th Feb
2.10 Naas
2.30 Fontwell
2.40 Naas
3.10 Naas
3.40 Naas
4.10 Naas
4.40 Naas
Placepot Guarantees
Friday - Wolverhampton £100,000
Saturday – Kempton Park £250,000
Sunday - Hereford £100,000
Scoop6
Win Fund rollover £99,050
Bonus Fund rollover £24,539
Estimated combined pools £160,000
Saturday Scoop6 Races
1.50 Kempton – 2m Grade 2 Coral Adonis Juvenile Hurdle, 8 declared
3.00 Kempton – 3m Coral Trophy Premier Handicap Chase, 13 declared
3.25 Newcastle – 4m1f Vertem Eider Handicap Chase, 15 declared
3.55 Fairyhouse – 3m1f Grade 3 Tote Fantasy Bobbyjo Chase, 9 declared
4.10 Kempton – 2m5f 0-140 Handicap Hurdle, 11 declared
4.45 Kempton – 2m4f 0-130 Handicap Chase, 11 declared
Trifecta rollover race: 3.00 Kempton – Coral Trophy Premier Handicap Chase
As of last night there was a rollover of £9,087 so there should be a decent pool
ITV7 Placepot based on the ITV7:
Saturday
1.50 Kempton
1.57 Chepstow
2.05 Lingfield
2.25 Kempton
3.00 Kempton
3.25 Newcastle
3.40 Kempton
Fantasy races
Friday 24th Feb
2.00 Warwick
2.30 Warwick
3.00 Warwick
3.15 Exeter
3.35 Warwick
4.10 Warwick
4.17 Exeter
Saturday 25th Feb
1.50 Kempton
2.25 Kempton
2.45 Fairyhouse
3.00 Kempton
3.25 Newcastle
3.40 Kempton
3.55 Fairyhouse
Sunday 26th Feb
2.10 Naas
2.30 Fontwell
2.40 Naas
3.10 Naas
3.40 Naas
4.10 Naas
4.40 Naas
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Johnny The Guesser20 Feb 23 14:23Joined: 15 Apr 02 | Topic/replies: 5,331 | Blogger: Johnny The Guesser's blog
If the Tote computer is doing what any of us could do then that would seem OK to me - they still have a huge advantage in that they get their pool deduction back.
BUT - if the computer is using knowledge of the pool and particularly the combinations already bet, to then determine what combinations to play and to what stakes then that is not "seeding" the pool - it is ripping the other punters off.
Then there is the question of timing of the seeding ? - when do they seed ? Can they cancel bets or "realign their seeding" as the time of the off in the first approaches (as the combinations bet into the pool by Joe Public shift) ?
In the name of transparency and fairness they should disclose exactly what is going on.
Johnny The Guesser20 Feb 23 14:23Joined: 15 Apr 02 | Topic/replies: 5,331 | Blogger: Johnny The Guesser's blog
If the Tote computer is doing what any of us could do then that would seem OK to me - they still have a huge advantage in that they get their pool deduction back.
BUT - if the computer is using knowledge of the pool and particularly the combinations already bet, to then determine what combinations to play and to what stakes then that is not "seeding" the pool - it is ripping the other punters off.
Then there is the question of timing of the seeding ? - when do they seed ? Can they cancel bets or "realign their seeding" as the time of the off in the first approaches (as the combinations bet into the pool by Joe Public shift) ?
In the name of transparency and fairness they should disclose exactly what is going on.
100% agree with TM, all looks very shady with you playing your own pools.
The mad thing is, the don't even have to do any of this.
If their guarantee just meant that if the pool was less than 100k (or whatever) they dropped cash into the pool (and 'bought' no tickets) the predicted dividends would be massively generous and money would pile in to back them down to something more realistic, allowing the cash top-up to be gradualy withdrawn.
If their guarantee just meant that if the pool was less than 100k (or whatever) they dropped cash into the pool (and 'bought' no tickets) the predicted dividends would be massively generous and money would pile in to back them down to something more realistic, allowing the cash top-up to be gradualy withdrawn.
..... Better still why not just leave the p/p pools alone ( especially Cheltenham ) that need no
" Boosting , seeding or Manipulating " . Just pure greed from the Totes shareholders, as if the
scandalous 28% rake off is not enough. !!!
" Boosting , seeding or Manipulating " . Just pure greed from the Totes shareholders, as if the
scandalous 28% rake off is not enough. !!!
I have copy and pasted your post TM and sent too the Tote @
https://www.uktotegroup.com/plans
.... Still awaiting an answer from a question i posed about a week ago, i will post any replies as and when.
https://www.uktotegroup.com/plans
.... Still awaiting an answer from a question i posed about a week ago, i will post any replies as and when.
I was hoping that they would leave the Cheltenham pools uncontaminated but I was wrong, Shame really.
The non transparency of it all is akin to me raffling off my house ... Then announcing miraculously i
owned the Winning ticket.!!
owned the Winning ticket.!!
G.C. I was talking about that very subject only recently!
I was explaining the dynamics (well trying to anyway) of the tote placepot to a fellow punter and used that example of actually winning your own house in the raffle after banking the dosh on top.
I'm not completely certain he understood though to be honest.
I was explaining the dynamics (well trying to anyway) of the tote placepot to a fellow punter and used that example of actually winning your own house in the raffle after banking the dosh on top.
I'm not completely certain he understood though to be honest.
To mis-quote the brilliant CJ - "I didn't get where I am today Perrin, without taking credit for other peoples work."
But it's only fair to point out that "my post" is actually a copy and paste from Johnny the Guesser who summed up some of the key questions very well in a succinct paragraph.
But it's only fair to point out that "my post" is actually a copy and paste from Johnny the Guesser who summed up some of the key questions very well in a succinct paragraph.
As i have said before, I spoke to the GC about the "Seeding " of the Totes pools by its own operatives using I assume the latest hi-tec and was told that so long as it was in their terms and conditions it was deemed acceptable, they do mention " seeding " the pools but strangely no mention on where to find by how much and with what results ?
So every punter will pay 28% from the pool all punters pay into.
Then the tote come in and pay zero percentage plus seed the pools, meaning the punter pays near 40% on his winnings, as the tote pay zero in regards the 28% other punters have to pay.
Findlay and his pals licking there chops waiting to reap the rewards on a zero percentage take out from there seeded money.
Then the tote come in and pay zero percentage plus seed the pools, meaning the punter pays near 40% on his winnings, as the tote pay zero in regards the 28% other punters have to pay.
Findlay and his pals licking there chops waiting to reap the rewards on a zero percentage take out from there seeded money.
If you saw Findlays interview with Nick Luck he actually calls the Tote owners " philanthropists" Maybe they are to him. He went down in my estimation upon hearing that.
Maybe they are to him. He went down in my estimation upon hearing that.
Same problem here, it seems impossible to get an account with them. They obviously only want certain types of customers getting the rebate accounts. Wouldn’t be that bad if they actually came out and admitted it, though as said on this thread, transparency is very much lacking. You don’t have to work for the tote to get an account there, though it probably helps.
I read that when there was 25 winning scoop tickets that one weekend, only one of them was placed directly with the tote. I think that speaks volumes. Surely if you are shrewd enough to win the scoop6, you are shrewd enough to sign up for an extra 10% on your winnings too?
It appears that the Tote is now as much of a tote, as Smarkets is an exchange.
Never thought I’d say this, but it was better when Fred had it.
I read that when there was 25 winning scoop tickets that one weekend, only one of them was placed directly with the tote. I think that speaks volumes. Surely if you are shrewd enough to win the scoop6, you are shrewd enough to sign up for an extra 10% on your winnings too?
It appears that the Tote is now as much of a tote, as Smarkets is an exchange.
Never thought I’d say this, but it was better when Fred had it.
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