Was that Bryony up to her old failings?

Looked decidedly suspect horse kept a straight path until final hurdle,but u would be happy if u were on the fav

Notice ATR didn’t show replay of head on final hurdle

What definitely needs be discussed is how the vast majority of the industry seems to have written her career off. She doesn't get the rides she used to and everyone knows the reason why but it's never mentioned on either of the racing channels. Dreadful treatment for speaking up on something that definitely needed calling out.

Yes I noticed that. I never followed the old debacle at all but that looked decidedly poor. Jockey and horse could have been seriously hurt and stick in the wrong hand.

SS if you were riding the horse that fell would you say anything? Just wondered.

Feb 22, 2023 -- 1:40PM, brigust1 wrote:

Yes I noticed that. I never followed the old debacle at all but that looked decidedly poor. Jockey and horse could have been seriously hurt and stick in the wrong hand. SS if you were riding the horse that fell would you say anything? Just wondered.

Brigust: Google "Robbie Dunne". Cheers.

You can always read other peoples opinions SS but I prefer to see it for myself, thanks.

And that looked poor!!

She is a good rider just purely because she is dangerous imo.

Feb 22, 2023 -- 1:44PM, brigust1 wrote:

You can always read other peoples opinions SS but I prefer to see it for myself, thanks.

All about opinions, just because you have one doesn't mean it's 100% right. The horse that fell was wandering before coming down but whatever you're narrative has to be.

She doesn't get the rides she used to and everyone knows the reason

I know that this 100% isnt right chief.

You don't have to copy what I wrote SS. I know what I wrote. The horses were wide apart and Bryony allowed her horse to drift across the track until on the last fence she was right under its nose. It looked pretty obvious to me what happened. That may not be the same for you, c'est la vie!

Bryony not getting rides has nothing to do with Robbie. I can confirm that.

Hibore, was part of the problem Bryony allowing her mounts to drift to their left her fences?

*at her fences

McCoy did that on a regular basis.

Robbie and Bryony in same race here - keep an eye ;)

Nothing to do with her riding at all. More of a personal reason.

Thank you for making my day H.

Nothing in that really, she did let the horse drift across the track at second last then straightened up, but drifted again approaching and jumping last. Both times I thought she was just letting the horse find a stride as no horses close to her. The horse that fell was wandering about and came down independently; it was behind and too far away to be intimidated.

Agree with Sparrow, McCoy did the same on a regular basis and don't remember him getting much criticism.

Feb 22, 2023 -- 2:25PM, sparrow wrote:

McCoy did that on a regular basis.

Doesnt make it right.

No it doesn't, but I must have missed all the criticism of McCoy.

McCoy DID NOT do it a regular basis, hence the missed criticism.

I thought it was a jockey criticising her? Pointing out the fact that she allowed her mounts to drift into other horses? Which is clearly what happened here I thought.
Storm you must have been watching a different race to me. They were wide apart coming up the straight, wide apart approaching the last and her horse masked the faller at the last. If I am wrong with any of that I am sure you will tell me.

Thankfully both fallen horse and jockey got up seemingly ( and hopefully ) unharmed.
Lift the whip above your shoulder and you are automatically deprived of your livelihood for a while.
Veer across the track at the last arguably inhibiting another horse and you get a spot in the winners enclosure without comeback.
Racing today.

Glad to see you have reeled back your hatred for Bryony Honcho.You did yourself no favours previously.

I;ve told you before clown, I don;t hate the female jockey, I do however despise her, and those two things are fundamentally different.  And I couldn;t give a flying fcuk what you find good to see.
Got that dummy?

Nothing in it-they didnt bump together. They jumped different hurdle panels. Not checked did the stewards speak to her post race?

Did connections of the faller call for an enquiry or object? Surely if she is guilty of foul riding (which I don't agree she was) the other riders and trainers would be going public about it? Loads of novice hurdlers veer off a a straight line in nearly every race. It is not deliberate foul riding.

She is getting as many rides as previous seasons proportionally, but this season she has been off injured for about 7 months.
Honcho, tell me, what is the difference between hate and despise?

LoyalHoncho22 Feb 23 18:25
I;ve told you before clown, I don;t hate the female jockey, I do however despise her, and those two things are fundamentally different.  And I couldn;t give a flying fcuk what you find good to see.
Got that dummy?.....Eh ok buddy.

I have just watched the replay and at the third last, with whip in wrong hand, it ran down it and was corrected back to the rail. At the second last, with the whip in wrong hand and slapping it down the shoulder it ran down the hurdle and was corrected back to the rail. At the last with Midgley steering a clear path away from the winner, with whip in the wrong hand it ran down the hurdle all the way to the faller. Between the second and third last the commentator even said they were quite wide apart. The leader wasn't corrected at the last three hurdles. The whip wasn't switched in an attempt to correct it, the whip was still used running to the last and, though they may not have touched it would certainly have distracted the faller. They were wide apart approaching the last but they were just about upsides at the last. I have no opinion about Bryony but I thought much more could have been done to prevent the horse veering across the track and avoiding the possibility of a horse and jockey being seriously injured. At that would apply to any jockey.

I also believe had the second not fallen and finished with the winner, as it may well have done, the stewards would have said something.

Agreed. Looked a bit odd. Big veer at the last. Hard to believe she did that intentionally - but who knows in this game - actually we talk a lot about the whip, but the truth is horses respond to pretty subtle movements too .... these jockeys are professional and they very much KNOW what they're doing ..... just an opinion

It;s irrelevant whether it is intentional.  It is negligent and potentially dangerous and should be stopped - female jockey or no female jockey.  But we can't be critical of sweet little Bryony can we?  She;s an ambassador after all.

Shood I don't believe for one moment it was intentional but as the horse had veered at the third last, veered worse at the second last yet no effort was made to stop it veering at the last where it veered more severely. I do not think it touched the faller but had it stood up it surely would have. Just poor riding over the last three hurdles imo. Luckily neither horse nor jockey was hurt.

agreed

BF is probably the most scrutinised jockey riding, particularly by Honcho. I think I am right to say that she has had one two day ban for careless riding in her career, a ban Nicholl' wanted her to appeal. No ban for whip use, while others are dropping like flies. Every NH race has horses wandering, so what's the problem? Honcho, no jockey in nearly 1500 rides has been injured because of her riding. Your continued criticism is so boring. We've all forgotten about the Dunne business, get over it.

I am over it because I was never under it.  At least not any more than you were who posted on the subject as often as anyone as I recall.  It is you who feels the need to keep trolling it.
When she causes a serious accident - and I vehemently hope it never happens - I won;t be slow in telling you that I warned you.

Just putting the other side of the argument. Yes, I hope no serious accidents happen too, but horses fall. Presumably when an accident does happen you will tell us, no matter who the jockey is, who caused it.

Yeah Honcho's hatred of Bryony is off the scale i think the man needs therapy.

No No, it's not hate, Honcho despises her. Apparently there is a difference.

Wac

Two very clever chaps.  Take a bow.

Frodon tomorrow:  I hope horse and jockey get round safely. in last place, having caused no interference in  the race.

I have watched that finish several times and have literally no idea what you everybody is going on about!!!!!!!!

LoyalHoncho 24 Feb 23 20:18 
Frodon tomorrow:  I hope horse and jockey get round safely. in last place, having caused no interference in  the race.


Oh dear !

So would you rather they didn;t get round safely and did cause interference in the race?

Frodon ran his usual brave race to be third and earn his connections another £16,000. £1.1 million and counting.

Frodon ran a great race.  Great to see another stalwart who is just unable to really excel at the top level now, Kemboy, win today too.  Great to see.

Agreed Honcho, two honest brave horses, as you say, great to see.

This very moderate Foillmore, ridden by the female here at Hereford, will surely never have a better chance to record a win.
She must be going to dad's for Sunday dinner!  Her last two runs for pop have been spectacularly unsuccessful.

What a mule of a racehorse!  She had no chance on this and it begs the question why such horses are kept in training.
Poor Alan Johns.  Did a Ruby at the last.

I know. Her Dad hasn't been close to training a winner for about two years.

Pretending:  Today, and previous run.  Final two flights.
She is an accident waiting to happen.

Mar 3, 2023 -- 2:43PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:

Pretending:

Honcho, you are having a very long wait! You've been saying it's going to happen for ages, but it hasn't.
But if it does, you'll no doubt say "told you so".

Pretending is a far flat horse, but can't cut it over hurdles. Happens a lot.

Pretending drifted left at both the last two flights. No attempt made to straighten up.

So what? Was there a stewards enquiry? Did anyone get brought down? No.
Honcho admits to detesting her and wants her career to fail. As long as he continues his detestable campaign, I'll keep replying to him.

Sorry, he admits to despising her, not detesting her, if there is a difference.

You;re another liar chadfan  I have never ever averred to detesting - and nor do I - the female jockey, ever, nor have I ever used that word.  Which makes you a liar.  Your resistance is weakened by your lie.
"So what"?  So I'd rather never see a serious accident being caused than wait for one to happen.
People are beginning to see now just how hazardous this jockey can be to other riders and it is about time she was sent back to jockey school to be taught how to, and the absolute necessity of, keeping a tired horse straight.
Chadfan, the man who wants an accident before a stewards action!

I corrected it to despise, or do you deny that too?
Your therapy isn't going well, is it?

I don;t need therapy but you clearly do if you want an accident before a stewards action.  Shame on you.  There is support, then there is blind stupidity.

You despise her still. I don't know why.
I despised Man Utd last Sunday, but I'm over it now.
Get over it man.

It’s getting rather boring now….

Tiny Tantrum - 4.10  Hunt.  Almost every flight, and at two markedly, the horse is allowed to take its own route into and over and slews to the right.
I don;t know how she gets away with it without steward comment.
If you doubt my word watch the race yourselves.

I will

Listen to Saxon farm - BORING