BBC Breakfast item on gambling reform

Where's the BBC's report on the government sponsored drugs and alcohol that's killing and destroying far more lives than gambling ever will??? Let's be having THAT from the ****g snobby, sanctimonious bastards.

Apparently losing gamblers are victims with afflictions who don’t have to vouch for their own actions….
Until the legislation imposes on them new rules and if they attempt to bypass will then be judged to be responsible for the act.

Why not just save all the carnage and agree they should have been responsible from the beginning?

I know people on this bet fair Forum, don't think gambling addiction is much of an issue. But I can categorically say, particularly during and after the pandemic, the surge in people addicted to online slots and casinos grew exponentially. I have data on females aged 18-26 who during the pandemic spent way beyond their means, having not previously even seen an online slot machine/casino.

Online casinos and bookmakers made hundreds of millions, without asking people if they were alright. Yes, we all know self-help books are basically just "Help" books and at the end of the day individual responsibility is ultimately up to everyone.

However: Can't Stop, Even If You Want To Stop, is true with people who can't stop gambling, especially on fast-paced games of luck. Even 5F horse races and greyhound racing would appeal.

Money Laundering  is so prevalent in online casino and sportsbooks,  most people have no idea what's happening.

I hope people don't think I sound like a broken record on here, just something I'm passionate about. With new AI and data sets I've been using lately, I've becoming even more interested in gambling/addiction/. I hope in the future to help people the best I can.

Trident is it no longer an affliction when it’s with unregulated foreign providers?

Surely the biggest sources of problem gambling are online casinos, slots, etc ?

If there is one thing alone that makes me very angry in this whole affair, it is so many not separating out the sports betting from these random numbskull ways of gambling. As though they were all identical.

But to many, gambling is just gambling - whatever form it takes. It is true people can have great problems through sports gambling alone. But far more many are likely to have a problem due to casino gaming - where no-one ever has any chance of winning.

It should be a requirement when betting that the rake is clearly shown before placing a bet with a note explaining what it means

If only the on-line "bookmakers' had some way of identifying the potential/likely/probable "problem gamblers" - they could maybe just profile them, single them out. If only they had that data.

Another extract from the BBC - I have extracted all of the drama and bias in attempt to stick to some facts and also to protect the forums' "victims of outrage".

The subject access request from Iovation showed almost 19,000 separate items of data, tracking his Sky Bet gambling. Sky Bet says it uses this for fraud prevention.

The behavioural profiling by Signal which can be used for marketing has more than 85 categories, and James found it had 166 fields of data on him, not just from Sky Bet. To take just three of the categories profiled: it categorises him as a high-value customer; it knows he chases losses; and it knows the percentage of its emails he opens.

Sky Bet said it uses "a number of third party data providers" for fraud detection, age verification and marketing.

Ravi Naik, from the law firm AWO, helped James access his files. He says we need to understand what information we give away: "Gambling companies do not operate in a silo of data - they operate in this wider ecosystem. There's data flowing in different times and in different ways.

"The concern for our clients is that their data is being used for behavioural surveillance, understanding what you are doing, who you are and what you like."

The Gambling Act 2005 became law across Great Britain in September 2007 - and now the government is reviewing it to make it fit for the digital age.

The people that arte accusing the Govt of acting like "Big Brother", being intrusive, acting like the Stasi, etc, etc.

Everyone also needs to remember that these proposals arn’t even on the table, how could they be?
When each company hold selective data about what a customer does with that company….the cross party want a centralised database that would be a collection of all the info on all uses and an algorithm with a set calculation that’s cuts people off at a pre-agreed point.

How else could they possibly do it?
Skybet individually meet the criteria on their data upto the agreed point, then Joe bloggs moves over to b364 and does it all over again?

Having profiled and identified the most likely candidates for addiction i.e. people that are susceptible and are following the same pattern of on-line behaviour as a long line of degenerate addicts; The industry has had two choices.

1) Send them a "marketing" e-mail which states: Our algorithms have identified you as a probable degenerate gambling addict. Please find below 100 free spins to one of our products that has proven to be the most addictive and highest loss vehicles to people with your particular profile. It has been our pleasure to help you on the path to your new life of poverty and misery.

2) Send them an e-mail which states: Our algorithms have identified you as a probable degenerate gambling addict. It is therefore our duty to make you aware of the following information .....

Obviously the industry has proactively and voraciously gone with a weakly disguised version of Option 1.

But the industry is blameless! - It's those useless feckers at the GC (which of course is actually a massive contributory factor) - but what do you want them to do, now they have seen the error of their ways? Try to regulate a ruthless technology savvy industry in a digital age with a set of out of date analogue rules that were partially reliant on good faith from the industry?

It’s so easy.
Make it clear the person can take control by telling the bookie to stop.
And make the GC follow up on that demand by watching closely that the company offering the service honours that request.

Quite how much all this centralised nonsense and personal data delivery of everyone is going to cost, or the pitfalls that always happen when the state attempts at anything complex is anyone guess.

dustybin20 Feb 23 15:02Joined: 29 Dec 08 | Topic/replies: 23,981 | Blogger: dustybin's blog
so, you cant.

Get yourself on-line, try to buy a semi-automatic rifle, a kilo of heroin, 2 underage Romanian Teenagers and a contract killer.

I guess it can be done - but I think you will find it is quite difficult, possibly illegal. You might end up in trouble, get arrested, get fined, lose your job, go to prison. If only there was somebody in Govt that could make laws.

That was the answer to the posed question of how ‘victims; will be stopped betting with Russian backed operators online after getting stopped by the state here.
If that reference to purchasing contraband isn’t referring to the activity of purchasing contraband….then wtf was it?

‘End up in trouble’…these are the words used, the victim becomes criminal.

I rest my case m’lord

As I’ve said before, the Taliban wasn’t considered an issue until america stopped the responsibility of killing them and keeping the pinned down….

That’s a better second stab at it TM
But still doesn’t alter the fact that when the victim gets turned away they will attempt to find a ready provider elsewhere.

There’s plenty of evidence that Putin is asked continually to find and prosecute gangs that target British institutions and he just laughs at them

NHS now saying opportunity to bet online is causing an nhs crisis well will it end

Only the strong survive……imv…

I’m not an addict as you want to believe….true fact only the strong survive in any walk….

I am so sorry to disappoint you tho….addict ! Not a hope in hell…..

Contribution ! …..and what do you contribute ? F all apart from thinking you could control everything on planet earth

Ball sack…….

You are "punting" (pre-race) on your "fancies" - so you are basically an analogue punter in a digital age.

There are some that can still make that pay - but I can say with 100% conviction, you are not one of them, never have been - and never will be.

Even in that sphere - which can still be an interest read on the forum - you make no contribution, stimulate no discussion, invite no debate, just an endless stream - a list (if you will) of "selections".

Aye, there's a lot of sh1te about for sure - but if you're willing to wade through that, there are still some people that make for an interesting read on this forum.

I'm just pointing out that I categorise the people like you, that just make "selection lists" (no reasoning, no rationale, no logic, no knowledge, etc) in the same category i.e. producing endless sh1te that has to be waded through to get to the interesting reads. It's there for all to see imv.

CLYDEBANK29 • February 21, 2023 1:09 PM GMT
Trident you could say what qualifies you to have evidence or give an example of a common money laundering activity through a bookmaker.  I am sceptical because I don't see the how, or the why a legal UK bookie.

In the noughties, the definition of money laundering changed from the activity of hiding the source of and rehabiliting criminal funds, to a new definition of basically doing anything at all with criminal funds. So any bets placed by criminals using the proceeds of crime are automatically money laundering. Having said that some firms make it a bit too easy to deposit through one channel and withdraw in another, but I doubt that this is utilised to any degree for traditional money laundering but is used by account hackers and would be money laundering.