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These new delays have finnished In-Running and can only be a harbinger of the end of the Exchange - it is that serious.
Something has happened recently, I can't be precise in the date, that has led to significant delays placing a bet both pre-race and in-running that makes Betfair's offering unplayable for the serious punter.
My IR systems Horse Racing are obliterated by the new delays and I'm on the verge of transferring totally to the Purple with all that goes with that.
The cricket markets are like wading through treacle.
It is interesting to ponder what the form the something mentioned earlier has taken - clearly there has been a decision at the highest levels to amend the code to build these delays in, the interesting question is why - what is the end game for Paddy?
Are they manipulating markets to their advantage would be the most serious accusation?
It cannot simply be the ineptitude we've become used to over the years from Betfair.
Or is it a long term policy to run the Exchange into the ground with increased focus on their treasured Sportsbook & Casino?
The confusion is that the Exchange must be a cash cow for them - like printing money with no risk.
Something very sinister is afoot.
Something has happened recently, I can't be precise in the date, that has led to significant delays placing a bet both pre-race and in-running that makes Betfair's offering unplayable for the serious punter.
My IR systems Horse Racing are obliterated by the new delays and I'm on the verge of transferring totally to the Purple with all that goes with that.
The cricket markets are like wading through treacle.
It is interesting to ponder what the form the something mentioned earlier has taken - clearly there has been a decision at the highest levels to amend the code to build these delays in, the interesting question is why - what is the end game for Paddy?
Are they manipulating markets to their advantage would be the most serious accusation?
It cannot simply be the ineptitude we've become used to over the years from Betfair.
Or is it a long term policy to run the Exchange into the ground with increased focus on their treasured Sportsbook & Casino?
The confusion is that the Exchange must be a cash cow for them - like printing money with no risk.
Something very sinister is afoot.
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It's over, I hardly get 2% of what I used to on here, and I'll be stopping that too, other than overnight perhaps.
every other sport decimated also, no trust in Betfair at all.
Just going to tracks more often.
It's done!
every other sport decimated also, no trust in Betfair at all.
Just going to tracks more often.
It's done!
There is no money in the windows.
Couldn't be clearer.
Couldn't be clearer.
Worse when you have several Twitter exchanges and they blame it on your internet provider,when I have one of the fastest providers you can get.
It cannot simply be the ineptitude we've become used to over the years from Betfair
Think you sort of answer your own allegation there....
Think you sort of answer your own allegation there....
connect via the API
Ive not seen any problems mentioned with it
Ive not seen any problems mentioned with it
If gruss is quick he can offer a free trial to these apparent 'pro' non API users
Probably be sorted when the football is all over,not so much then coming into the kitty.
in running is brutal..ok till last 3-4f when the race is showing its cards..then very little to back and less to lay..all controlled..they decide if what you offer, offers value..couple quid in every box to exploit over ride clickers..but,it is what it is noone is forced to play..as dusty says ..never any slow bets using gruss.
Amazing how you ignored a thread more or less telling you the score? Told/asked rico about 1.01 first in line to lay pre race not being matched in running,nothing to do with bots etc.PP as said when they bought the exchange have turned it from peer to peer to a hedging facility.
the game is up ! roy orbison its over ! last few furlongs you will only get matched if your lay or win bet is a loser .
So Foylsers - what you are saying is serious fraud is taking place that should be a criminal matter?
zero additional delay on gruss. There is no possibilty that an in running winner doesn't use gruss or another api app. Those who don't are frankly showing themselves up to be obvious losers now (although they probably won in the past).
Foyles might be bang on the money but it would take a decade to prove criminal activity on behalf of PP which I doubt is the case anyway.That is not to say that the techies could not be guilty of using their nous to profit,who watches the watchers?
My neighbour is a digital forensic investigator for GDF,says almost impossible to prove unless someone admits to such other than tracking for years,he was the one who confirmed the Gordon Elliot photo as genuine!!
My neighbour is a digital forensic investigator for GDF,says almost impossible to prove unless someone admits to such other than tracking for years,he was the one who confirmed the Gordon Elliot photo as genuine!!
not saying its fraud could be i am not computer savvy enough or quick enough to win when it gets to the last 3f or so ,whatever i will only use keep lays .
Paddy must be getting so much cream even his cat will be sick of the stuff. API users next i would imagine.
FOYLESWAR 29 Nov 22 17:31
the game is up ! roy orbison its over ! last few furlongs you will only get matched if your lay or win bet is a loser .
you will get matched if you offer 100 somethings that 20 in pink
you will get matched if you offer 1.05 something thats 1.2 in the blue..
and yes ekbalco..thats the script..but,as toby sez.. case closed
the game is up ! roy orbison its over ! last few furlongs you will only get matched if your lay or win bet is a loser .
you will get matched if you offer 100 somethings that 20 in pink
you will get matched if you offer 1.05 something thats 1.2 in the blue..
and yes ekbalco..thats the script..but,as toby sez.. case closed
and its certainly not the end..as long as its there people will continue..why? simples FOMO!
there are as many people paying for drone pics everyday as there was 9mth ago.
dont ask me how..biggest mystery since the mccanns wernt investigated.
there are as many people paying for drone pics everyday as there was 9mth ago.
dont ask me how..biggest mystery since the mccanns wernt investigated.
Worse when you have several Twitter exchanges and they blame it on your internet provider,when I have one of the fastest providers you can get
you need the quickest of everything a super fast gaming computer can cost 5k but it will beat you on your 500 laptop, even a fast keyboard costs 500, dedicated one user api costs thousands, thats what your up against plus the fastest pictures costs thousands so 10-15k to even compete
you need the quickest of everything a super fast gaming computer can cost 5k but it will beat you on your 500 laptop, even a fast keyboard costs 500, dedicated one user api costs thousands, thats what your up against plus the fastest pictures costs thousands so 10-15k to even compete
Is your fast provider fast in terms of bandwidth (handy for streaming movies, not so important for BF) or fast in terms of latency? Have you any idea what their rate of packet loss is?
(not saying BF are right to blame it on ISPs though)
(not saying BF are right to blame it on ISPs though)
i use a £400 dell desktop that i bought 12yrs ago..bt infinity with 60-70mbps..bets go in 1080-1150ms. nothing more needed.
Typing bets in IR is on the extremity of daft...but even fast API with a GUI is slower than a bot on a server in Ire
You only need see the reopening of markets after a close finish
It doesnt matter how fast you are on gruss, you will never beat the non GUI bot that triggers on the unsuspend
It doesnt matter how fast you are on gruss, you will never beat the non GUI bot that triggers on the unsuspend
Good riddance to in running betting...That aint what horseracing is meant for.
I did get cleaned out when i tried it...So probably why i hate it.
dusty..how can any bot decide if a horse had won by 1"?
Thats going to depend on the formula of the bot writer
Theres algorithmic betting that doesnt need to look at anything
Theres algorithmic betting that doesnt need to look at anything
Well that was a specific question so Ill give you a potential idea...
What if they have the GPS and it showed the two came extremely close together?
The bot could post trap bets on both
What if they have the GPS and it showed the two came extremely close together?
The bot could post trap bets on both
Theres nothing saying the bot has all angles covered, bets conventually or has to bet in every race
Rico-Dangleflaps 30 Nov 22 13:53
im struggling to grasp that scenario.
dustybin 30 Nov 22 14:01
Well that was a specific question so Ill give you a potential idea...
What if they have the GPS and it showed the two came extremely close together?
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Should that not be rico's question ?
im struggling to grasp that scenario.
dustybin 30 Nov 22 14:01
Well that was a specific question so Ill give you a potential idea...
What if they have the GPS and it showed the two came extremely close together?
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Should that not be rico's question ?
the gps is in the saddle..4-5ft behind the horses nose..impossible for any bot to know the winner..as said previously,how do huge amounts get in 1st when its won an 1"..no logic is explainable imo.
Its better than that, they can place the horse within the width of the track, it can tell if a horse pulls out for eg
Anyway it was only an example
Anyway it was only an example
besides you actually wouldnt need that
if you were the first in after the market reopens you could ask for the silliest price and some dc will match it sometimes
if you were the first in after the market reopens you could ask for the silliest price and some dc will match it sometimes
think about full time gaming games pros they play for millions, they pay fortunes for equipment to be the fastest, even the tvs are the fastest cost thousands it will beat our 399 currys low data spec tvs any day, most punters losing in running are on total cost equipment of 800 all in, the game has changed
e buyer has some good gaming computers £5,199 you can cut that down but to save milliseconds the pros on betfair are using them its not a level playing field
2 horses pass the line split by an inch..ok you can guess whats won but ive guessed dozen wrong going over live...market reopens and 10k in instantly before the slo mo..no logic wotsoever.
That doesnt make any sense, there has to be a logic to it.
Otherwise you are saying people continually to burn money for no reason.
I suspect its the former.
Especially if they goto the trouble to specifically beat everyone else in.
That takes effort, in the form of understanding how to do it.
Otherwise you are saying people continually to burn money for no reason.
I suspect its the former.
Especially if they goto the trouble to specifically beat everyone else in.
That takes effort, in the form of understanding how to do it.
been spoken about on forum for a long time..i dont know the answer..can the bot tell if there gona be an inq and the winner gets disq? course not.
no but its easy to see what prices are value over the course of history
you hav to pay for that data now, ontop of a license to use the api directly
They dont do those things for nothing
They dont do those things for nothing
*I mean bf dont ask for money for people to access that data for nothing
I still use in running but I don't try to second guess the professionals. I put up a lay price using the keep function at or before the off having decided how much of a margin I am looking for after my win bet. I choose horses that I think are over-priced of course, and sometimes ones that have shortened from big odds suggesting they are at least trying and will be prominent enough to halve in price in running. Front runners over fences are the other ones to back to lay. I lay off about 80% of my bets at lower prices.
Bf sell data to differing levels of detail, if you want the level you’d need to act without looking it would cost you around £3k annually.
That more than the average drone user pays to watch the action.
As they say, information is money.
That more than the average drone user pays to watch the action.
As they say, information is money.
I think it is i/r betting that has ruined the exchange model tbh.
If it goes we can get back to proper betting with smaller margins creamed off by the bookie and the ability to lay.
If it goes we can get back to proper betting with smaller margins creamed off by the bookie and the ability to lay.
That more than the average drone user pays to watch the action.
av 260 with 3/4 meetings..inc summer 6 a day av £7000 annually.
av 260 with 3/4 meetings..inc summer 6 a day av £7000 annually.
Are they manipulating markets to their advantage would be the most serious accusation?
where ya been 
where ya been
if you want the level you’d need to act without looking it would cost you around £3k annually.
That more than the average drone user pays to watch the action.
That more than the average drone user pays to watch the action.
average drone user
BF know the value of their product and charge people accordingly for the data.
The misconception is always that its BF alone who do the things that others struggle to beat.
BF know the value of their product and charge people accordingly for the data.
The misconception is always that its BF alone who do the things that others struggle to beat.
Can’t believe how active the IR market was there in the 155 WINC…couldn’t see a thing on the telly
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