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trying ten furlongs tomorrow.
all roads lead to the Breeder's Cup Classic.
all roads lead to the Breeder's Cup Classic.
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Supposedly been working the house down at Del Mar every Saturday since his last race.
I’m on County Grammer eachway. He’s a dual G1 winner over 10 furlongs on dirt and warmed up for this with a pleasing come back at the course over 8.5. So if for whatever reason Flightline goes all One Man in the Gold Cup in the final furlong then I’m sure County Grammer will get him. |
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Cannot find any markets on here for such a big meeting.
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In in the Sportsbook…select horse racing, Sunday, Del Mar and you’ll find the Saturday races that are off Sunday our time.
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this will be very interesting. over a mile, hes a machine. last time he missed the break and got pushed back on the inside but still won by a big distance v a good horse.
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had never heard of it till seen its last races on atr in between wolves..looks useful
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ok thanks will have a look
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Will probably win but 1/4 running over a new distance a bit short price for a bet,would consider 4/9.
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Won very easy must be a cert for the Breeders Cup
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incredible for his first run over 10f
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This is the best horse since secretariat. It must be a rating over 140?
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looked about 15 lengths....he is 9/4 with betfair sportsbook for the classic but will he run?...........
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Should be 1/5 with a run. Take it.
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Should be 1/5 with a run. Take it.
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Should be 1/5 with a run. Take it.
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2nd fastest time ever for this race.........candy ride in 2003 did 1.59.11.............flightline is a machine.
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fckn ell..no idea of the strength of the form but that was specacular.
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That was some performance.
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Could have smashed that record if the jockey wanted, geared down for the last 1/2F.
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Arrogate was the same. Looked unbeatable. Never contested the classics. Beat Gun Runner 15 lengths. Won Dubai Gold Cup. Greatest ever and all that. Are they on drugs? How can you compare? Ended in a heap.
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I was actually more impressed with Arrogate because a horse moving through a field is always going to look more impressive to the eye than one that gallops the oposition into the ground. The time becomes more exciting than the visual performance. That's just the way of US racing. Not in this case, but often good horses look like they are walking the last furlong.
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something had to have went wrong with arrogate..went from looking a superstar to a one paced plodder wen it was beat at 1/33.
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Wow knockout bestest Horse in the World bar none.
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Baaeed V Flightline pay per view lets get it.
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useful tool. reminiscent of Secretariat when winding up to go a street light or two clear on the bend.
has to be the headline act at the Breeder's. |
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reading the trainers post race interview is worrying........seems this horses few appearances is not because of injuries but because trainer just didnt want to run him and its a strategy to only have a few runs......so he has had 5 by now. i would be surprised if he stays in training next year. 2 more runs likely........one before the classic and then the classic..........this type of horse only comes around once every 30 years. i will never understand why you would do this with such a superstar. he should be running 7/8 times a year for 3 years running and if something goes wrong, SO WHAT......at least frankel had 14 runs.......
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“Nothing too big, but a series of small things,” says Sadler. “He has a significant scar on his right hip near his tail, he caught his back end on a door latch down in Ocala and it was quite a deep wound. That was part of the reason he didn’t run at two.
“He picked up a crack in his foot that meant we had to wait out last summer, and he strained a hock this February, hence he didn’t run until June. I like to say he only loses to inanimate objects, a door latch, a wall. |
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This shows why trainers are reluctant to run their horse too often. Flightline has run only 5 races in 18 months. Frankel ran 5 races in 26 weeks as a three year old and 5 races in 23 weeks as a four year old. If Baaeed runs in Champion Stakes that will be 5 races in something like 22 weeks. Sea Bird II ran 5 races in 25 weeks. Running horses less often offers the opportunity of better individual performances. If Flightline runs in the Breeders Cup Classic that will be four runs in 21 weeks. On dirt I guess horses need more time between races. Dancing Brave ran his first 5 races as a three year old in 15 weeks then had a break before the Arc of 11 weeks. He then ran in the Breeders Cup three weeks later and was beaten. As a 4 year old Brigadier Gerard ran 5 top class races in just 9 weeks culminating in the King George. That is not enough time between races.
Nowadays with so many top class races to run in the best horses can be allowed time to have good breaks between their races. Fresh horses is the answer, I believe. |
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Dancing Brave ran @Goodwood before the Arc.
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As a 4 year old Brigadier Gerard ran 5 top class races in just 9 weeks culminating in the King George. That is not enough time between races.
sound of iona just ran 3 times in 3 consecutive days and ran blinders in all. |
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And do you think the American would win an Arc
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Pen I know he ran at Goodwood in a mickey mouse race. He was long odds on and won by 10 lengths. I mean top class races.
Rico I know horses run more regularly but I am talking about champions. Goodness it is hard work sometimes. I am just trying to explain why I believe top class horses, although there are loads more opportunities today than there used to be, run so infrequently. Also it is hugely financially beneficial. In the 70's a horse going to stud would cover 30 mares a year. Today they cover up to 5 times that number. The risk of defeat if far more costly. |
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Plus, of course, when horses run less often they are more likely to put up better performances. The effort of previous performances are no longer in their legs.
Form, I doubt he would be able to run in France using drugs. I think horses have previously been offered a 12lb allowance not to run on drugs in the US and they turned it down. Therefore when an American star runs on drugs the ratings should be dropped 12lbs because that is what difference the Americans believe there is with the the use of drugs. I think I have got that right. I am sure I will be corrected. |
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"I think horses have previously been offered a 12lb allowance
not to run on drugs in the US and they turned it down" I am astonished to read that - I've never heard anything about it at all though I'm in no way correcting you as it's just never been on my radar. I'm now weighing that up in relation to some great European performances over the years, though I haven't got a clue which ones ran with/without medication - I wouldn't even know if something as iconic as that Pebbles win was after having a booster! Is there anywhere online that tells us such information? It really should be in the RP form - yet another 'oversight' from them. |
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Goldikova ran in the Breeders Cup on bute or lasix.
This was taken from an article about drugs and the Breeders Cup. 2009. I think that you will find nearly all the European winners were on it, the Godolphin's were and so was Conduit, in fact I think I'm correct in saying that the only Aiden O'Brien winner was actually on the drug, but all the ones that didn't perform were not. |
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Thanks mate - would you happen to know if Arcangues ran bald as I have a vague recollection
he did - it was a staggering result at the time (formwise) but I think the reason it sticks in my mind was because he did it 'assistance-free' though I'm not too confident of that. PS - Aidan's ONLY winner?  |
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PS - wouldn't it be obvious to make an assumption that a giant improvement
in Arcangues' form would suggest that it was due a stimulant of some sort? That's precisely why I though it was a 'clean' victory. |
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The widespread use of drugs in America leads Timeform to ask, in their essay on Breeders’ Cup Turf winner Talismanic, “can racegoers and punters really believe everything they see in North American racing”? The ubiquitous use of lasix prompts another poser: “What difference does its use make?” Their answer, based on the Pegasus World Cup, is “that American trainers think it’s worth more than 7lb, seeing that was the allowance in the race conditions for running without lasix. None of the connections took it up!”
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Considering Timeform's stance on drugs any American horse running on drugs should be penalised at least 7lbs, I am sure it was 12lbs elsewhere, otherwise they are not backing themselves. It will be interesting the rating they give Flightline considering the US could be a big market for Timeform.
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Winx ran 7/8/9 times a year for 4/5 years in a row.......did her no harm..........
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