STANDARD OF JOCKEYS

Woeful mate, just have a look at Shoemark in the ,ast at Newbury. 25/1 shot wins and the presenter cant hide his jubilance, then states Shoemarks mount who he rode a shocker on is an iffy type. FFS.

8.50 epsom egan & ghiani pmsl

Probert also rode a stinker on all five of his mounts this evening, several of which were fancied.

walker horse is awkward starter also pulls if sees daylight...shoemark get pass for me on that

yes probert was brutal on that balding 2yo yellow colours

Clochette....Balding must have been furious with Probert after that nonsense.

that's the 1

Wasnt surprised when D Menuisier pulled Goldsmith out of the last with Probert booked, he must have watched Probert riding tonight and feared the worst.

In answer to the OP question. The current bunch of jockeys with very few exceptions are the poorest by a country mile that I can remember in 55 years following this once great sport. You can count the decent flat jockeys in Eng/Ire on one hand, thats how poor Jocks have become. The fact Buick is likely to be champion jockey this year sums the sport up sadly.

who are the best in your view bb?
don't have to be fashionable big names

Dettori, Keane, Moore, Tudhope, and reluctantly Buick because he is riding all the best horses nowadays.

Thought Marquand today at Haydock was exceptional, rode the track well and seemed to know the best place to challenge was up the middle, Oisin Murphy is similar hope he gets back sooner rather than later.

Oisin would be in my top five if he was still riding to be honest. Dont mind Marquand either, but he seems to have quite a few barren spells which is of concern.

In relation to OP, I concur, but why ?

What is the reason that the standard is in our opinion so bad. The amount of poorly judged rides is incredible. I would live to know the answer.

Hollie Doyle is as good as any of the current top jockeys riding at the moment. A great jockey in my opinion is one who can win on a horse that shouldn't necessarily have won.

A good jockey is one who makes very very few mistakes during a race.

There are very few of the above riding today

We don`t need good jockeys now a days ! It`s a woke world , and everyone can be what they want , no matter their ability .
So we have done away with standards , anyone who wants to be a jockey can be one if they can do the weight ,
Just looks at some of the girls & boys getting good rides that today !  They are not capable , but we have to cheer them on !

For me the things that annoy me the most are the inability to judge  the pace of the race,the lack of common sense and judgment  about  track position, and above all  the inability to relate track position  to the pace.
At the British  school of racing,they might  teach them all the technical  stuff, but  they dont teach them  how  to race ride.
Hence to many of them aint got a clue when they start riding in races and IMO dont have  the intelligence to adapt.

Missing the obvious factor, of whether they actually want to try to win the races...?

Jun 30, 2022 -- 10:36PM, G Hall wrote:

In relation to OP, I concur, but why ?What is the reason that the standard is in our opinion so bad. The amount of poorly judged rides is incredible. I would live to know the answer.Hollie Doyle is as good as any of the current top jockeys riding at the moment. A great jockey in my opinion is one who can win on a horse that shouldn't necessarily have won.A good jockey is one who makes very very few mistakes during a race.There are very few of the above riding today

Might sound odd but for me it's too much racing. Too many bad jockeys getting too many rides because if the amount of racing. Surely that practice should mean better jockeys? Not if they're riding against each other every day instead of the very best. Reminds me of a footballer going to a higher standard league/team. All things being equal that footballer will get better playing/training with a higher standard of player. Imop it's the same with jockeys. They won't improve by riding against mostly poor jockeys every day. Also it seems that these 'teachers' in the riding schools seem to think that it's more important to be 'stylish' rather than capable.

All of them are good brave Jockeys but because they are told not to win or place they can look ridiculous

I agree with Greg - they can all look pretty good when they're on the trier

1830. Agree completely. The judgement of pace is lamentable in the main.

This kind of issue raises its head every so often and it very much comes down to financial interest and being able to visually watch every race you want to see these days.

People hark on about the great era's of jockeys, I have done so myself on many occasions but they overlook the fact that bad rides still took place everyday it was just that unless you were at the course most did not see it as not so many meetings were televised.

Where money is concerned the vast majority of punters immediately look to blame others rather than accept that they made a bad selection and forums give them the perfect opportunity to vent their spleen, replacing the bookmakers where they would stand and tell anyone who would listen how crooked the race was that they had just lost their money in.

Unfortunately very few are able to wager without emotion being involved which has and will continue to be most peoples downfall, successful punters are those who learn by their mistakes and make the appropriate adjustments to their strategies, where money is involved there will always be a certain amount of skullduggery involved, identifying it, noting it and remembering it for future plays gives you a much better chance of making things pay.

To be fair the OPS point is about standard of jockeyship, not about losing money to corruption.

Good point about coverage cork. Listening to the radio commentaries we could not exactly tell whether a horse was being 'pulled' or badly ridden, just hearing the fella going through a list of runner names and shouting that almost every runner was 'running on well' at some point in the race...

To some extent I love the fact that every race is closely video covered - makes cheating just that little bit more difficult and tricky.

Does anyone really believe the extra cameras have lessened cheating?

MJK, the point I was attempting to make was that the majority of people could not rate the standard fairly before the saturation tv coverage of racing because they only had a few meetings to judge it on, consequently it is impossible to compare how good or bad the jockeys of yesteryear were unless you were a regular attendee of meetings.

From a personal point of view I went racing daily throughout the 60's, 70's and 80's and would say there were just as many poor riders then as there are now, the difference being with fewer meetings taking place then the poorer riders were not given as many opportunities unless their particular type of service's were required.

With regard to your question about extra cameras lessening cheating, certainly not, it is just that it has made it far more visible to the wider audience who are now able to see what is happening whether it be the glitz of the Derby or a seller on a cold dreary winter's day at Plumpton.

It's certainly made it more 'visible' as Cork suggests.

True Cork regarding seeing what goes on. If only the stewards could see the same pictures we do...

like i've always said the young jockeys are racing through their claims far too quickly and not learning their 'ringcraft'

Cork is spot on regarding the standard of riding today compared with the past. No hiding place these days with the luxury of us being able to see all that happens at every meeting.

Pat Dobbs needs to go back to riding school after that effort on Calling The Wild