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Are the BHA plain out of touch? Perhaps they are stupid, or perhaps they simply don't know what to do?
But after 50 years of betting and following racing - since I was 12 - I cannot remember the sport in such trouble.
In no order of 'preference' the pending gambling review, small fields (Donny on Saturday is a sad, sad example), so many horses sold to race abroad (surely,one of the major reasons for small fields) the rise and rise of the yob culture on the racecourse, poor prize money (which is why so many horses are now raced abroad), the dependence upon a levy funded from bookmakers who, in turn, until recently were so reliant on FOBT profits, a soon-to-arrive economic catastrophe in the UK, I could go on and on...
YET, the BHA are seemingly 99% concerned with what racing LOOKS like to minority groups etc rather than what it actually IS like to the wider public and, most of all, to its loyal fans.
And what is it like? Heading towards a last hurrah with some tracks appearing to realiase this and milking as much money out of certain festivals as they can.
For god's sake BHA, get on the case and stop employing marketing people in the top jobs. Instead employ people who know the sport!! As just one example, contact the trainers of the horses unable to run in the Lincoln on Saturday and ask them why they are not running their horses in the Spring Mile! Nine for that race is a stunning failure somewhere along the line.
I fear, though, things have already gone too far and horse racing is heading the same way as the greyhound industry.
But after 50 years of betting and following racing - since I was 12 - I cannot remember the sport in such trouble.
In no order of 'preference' the pending gambling review, small fields (Donny on Saturday is a sad, sad example), so many horses sold to race abroad (surely,one of the major reasons for small fields) the rise and rise of the yob culture on the racecourse, poor prize money (which is why so many horses are now raced abroad), the dependence upon a levy funded from bookmakers who, in turn, until recently were so reliant on FOBT profits, a soon-to-arrive economic catastrophe in the UK, I could go on and on...
YET, the BHA are seemingly 99% concerned with what racing LOOKS like to minority groups etc rather than what it actually IS like to the wider public and, most of all, to its loyal fans.
And what is it like? Heading towards a last hurrah with some tracks appearing to realiase this and milking as much money out of certain festivals as they can.
For god's sake BHA, get on the case and stop employing marketing people in the top jobs. Instead employ people who know the sport!! As just one example, contact the trainers of the horses unable to run in the Lincoln on Saturday and ask them why they are not running their horses in the Spring Mile! Nine for that race is a stunning failure somewhere along the line.
I fear, though, things have already gone too far and horse racing is heading the same way as the greyhound industry.
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The issue with the Spring Mile is simply a knock on from the lack of higher rated runners in the Lincoln. Three years ago, the lowest rated runner in the feature was running off 96 - tomorrow the bottom weight is rated 86. I'd guess that the last five or six that got into the Lincoln were amazed to find themselves in that rather than the consolation race.
Where have all the 100+ mile handicappers gone - sold abroad as you say.
Where have all the 100+ mile handicappers gone - sold abroad as you say.
Yet still a far cry Anorak from the days when horses would carry around 8 stone or less to win that race and not that long ago either.
2 runner hunter chase at Ascot on Sunday, where have they all gone ?
People voting with their feet for ownership surely?
Again surely nobody owns a horse to turn a profit but what is the chances of turning a profit now against 20 years ago? 1% chance v 10%?
Again surely nobody owns a horse to turn a profit but what is the chances of turning a profit now against 20 years ago? 1% chance v 10%?
Proper racing back tonight with only race less than 3 places to be paid.
Relax, Sire, it's not just racing, its the whole of Western civilisation. Enjoy the Decline
The Knight you pose some interesting questions , although I'm inclined to think a little differently re the small fields , I doubt the main reason is selling abroad , I'm involved with a horse who won a 2yo maiden at the Curragh last year but were offered a lot less then we were willing to sell for , so not every horse is been sold abroad . I fully agree with you about the obsession of people pleasing ,especially pleasing those who neither care yet the BHA bends over backwards to please these people to the detriment of our wonderful game...It seems if you KNOW anything about racing you need not apply...
two all weather tracks tommorrow, maybe should cut down and force these horses onto the turf.
I'm not sure how many of the issues you listed the BHA have any real control over. They're fighting their corner on the Gambling Review but the decision is Government's. On prize money they are tied to a Levy by Government Act and also to the 10% of bookmaker profits though again they seem to be lobbying for this to be increased. Poor prize money and now shortage of runners does flow from the meagre Levy but racing has also been hit hard by Covid which is outside the BHA's hands. If anything I'm surprised prize money has recovered so quickly this year although I don't know if that's sustainable, probably depends upon on how the new media right agreements the racecourses have fare.
The BHA are it seems spending a lot of time on image issues but they have to as the anti-racing lobby is getting quite vociferous.
The BHA are it seems spending a lot of time on image issues but they have to as the anti-racing lobby is getting quite vociferous.
sparrow..six races all on a straight sand track is far from "proper racing".
the viewing figures for flat and jump racing show which discipline the public want to watch most
the viewing figures for flat and jump racing show which discipline the public want to watch most
ThePies,
Looking at your defence of the BHA..well, what are they there for then?
They never had their eye on the ball with regard to levy / bookie profits coming from FOBT's. And the reduction of stakes on those dreadful machines put the boot into racing's prize money quite hard.
Also, they are not lobbying that much about the gambling act review either. Asking people to write to their MP is pretty tame. I did so and the reply was a standard letter mostly defending the review. Perhaps they are lobbying much louder behind the scenes, but they need to be because that is their role - to look after racing.
Of course, you are quite right about Covid and to be fair the BHA did very well to have it back on June 1st 2020, albeit under strict control.
But these 'image' issues are often plain daft. One thing we do in the UK so stupidly is to start listening to minority views and then start making more and more fuss about them in an effort to head them off - in effect furthering the publicity and cause of the minority groups. This is exactly what the BHA is doing, sometimes trying to put out fires where none exist.
As an example of the latter, I live 14 miles from Doncaster racecourse. It has been warm and sunny here for 7 days now, and that is after a mild and dry winter. So, how on earth can the Donny going tomorrow be Good to Soft? Probably because of sheer fright about horses picking up injuries on big Saturdays like Lincoln Day and so counter-acting that with over-watering.
To that end, I rarely miss a meeting at Donny and have seen one of the most stupid things EVER this winter with regard to where the placed horses go after the race. Most will know that at Donny the winner's enclosure is within the parade ring and so are the berths for 2nd, 3rd and 4th. For a reason that defies belief the 2nd, 3rd an 4th berths are now subject to being moved to where the public cannot access them. I cannot say why because it would betray a serious confidence over how I found out the information, but believe me if that is what the clerk of the course is worried about we really are in trouble!
What I want the BHA to do is grow a pair and start kicking back at the minority groups who have racing in their cross-hairs. But no, they simply scurry around trying to please them without realising the more they give the more they will be asked to give.
And don't start me over the BHA employing someone full time on 'diversity issues'. I saw their efforts here in action last summer at three Yorkshire tracks. It appeared the tracks had press-ganged random ethic groups into a visit. They rushed round behind them trying to explain all aspects of racing, handicapping, breeding and much else to some pretty bewildered people. It was pathetic. Now, nothing wrong with encouraging various ethnic groups to go racing with cheap / free tickets but not force the issue to the extent they appeared to be! It plainly did not work but, no doubt, it ticked the BHA's box.
Sorry, but I think the BHA are poor and frequently let down the sport we all love.
Looking at your defence of the BHA..well, what are they there for then?
They never had their eye on the ball with regard to levy / bookie profits coming from FOBT's. And the reduction of stakes on those dreadful machines put the boot into racing's prize money quite hard.
Also, they are not lobbying that much about the gambling act review either. Asking people to write to their MP is pretty tame. I did so and the reply was a standard letter mostly defending the review. Perhaps they are lobbying much louder behind the scenes, but they need to be because that is their role - to look after racing.
Of course, you are quite right about Covid and to be fair the BHA did very well to have it back on June 1st 2020, albeit under strict control.
But these 'image' issues are often plain daft. One thing we do in the UK so stupidly is to start listening to minority views and then start making more and more fuss about them in an effort to head them off - in effect furthering the publicity and cause of the minority groups. This is exactly what the BHA is doing, sometimes trying to put out fires where none exist.
As an example of the latter, I live 14 miles from Doncaster racecourse. It has been warm and sunny here for 7 days now, and that is after a mild and dry winter. So, how on earth can the Donny going tomorrow be Good to Soft? Probably because of sheer fright about horses picking up injuries on big Saturdays like Lincoln Day and so counter-acting that with over-watering.
To that end, I rarely miss a meeting at Donny and have seen one of the most stupid things EVER this winter with regard to where the placed horses go after the race. Most will know that at Donny the winner's enclosure is within the parade ring and so are the berths for 2nd, 3rd and 4th. For a reason that defies belief the 2nd, 3rd an 4th berths are now subject to being moved to where the public cannot access them. I cannot say why because it would betray a serious confidence over how I found out the information, but believe me if that is what the clerk of the course is worried about we really are in trouble!
What I want the BHA to do is grow a pair and start kicking back at the minority groups who have racing in their cross-hairs. But no, they simply scurry around trying to please them without realising the more they give the more they will be asked to give.
And don't start me over the BHA employing someone full time on 'diversity issues'. I saw their efforts here in action last summer at three Yorkshire tracks. It appeared the tracks had press-ganged random ethic groups into a visit. They rushed round behind them trying to explain all aspects of racing, handicapping, breeding and much else to some pretty bewildered people. It was pathetic. Now, nothing wrong with encouraging various ethnic groups to go racing with cheap / free tickets but not force the issue to the extent they appeared to be! It plainly did not work but, no doubt, it ticked the BHA's box.
Sorry, but I think the BHA are poor and frequently let down the sport we all love.
A fundamental problem is the division in the sport. The BHA do not control betting, they do not control racecourses, and they control very few of the fixtures. Meanwhile, racecourses, trainers, owners and jockeys are all special interests that spend much of their time fighting each other, rather than working collectively for the good of the sport. Petty sectional interests are usually prioritised over the greater good.
Three races at Newcastle tonight running for a first prize of ££2,970.
Tells you all you need to know about British racing and certain track owners.
Jimmy Lindley died this week. He probably never raced for less.
Tells you all you need to know about British racing and certain track owners.
Jimmy Lindley died this week. He probably never raced for less.
isleham 25 Mar 22 20:51
sparrow..six races all on a straight sand track is far from "proper racing".
the viewing figures for flat and jump racing show which discipline the public want to watch most
What the public might want to watch and what owners want to spend their money on are now two very different things.
sparrow..six races all on a straight sand track is far from "proper racing".
the viewing figures for flat and jump racing show which discipline the public want to watch most
What the public might want to watch and what owners want to spend their money on are now two very different things.
Are the 2nd, 3rd and 4th still in the parade ring?
lots of reasons for the malaise but bear in mind that point to points still attract runners and large crowds with no hope of getting their money back. Racing must be an entertainment, not a business opportunity, to succeed.
On field sizes
Big fields do not guarantee competitive racing.
A look at Ireland would tell you that a Mullins horse in a maiden hurdle is likely to go off even money. If youre lucky.
Uk horse racing is dependent on the bookmakers levy and the books demand lots of handicaps. So punters dont get too many odds on favourites.
At the moment the only races that can guarantee big fields are sprinter/miler hcaps on the flat and staying hcap chases over jumps.
You cant have a card made up of just those type of races.
Tho lord knows plenty of courses seem to try.
I should think over the next ten years or so we will witness the demise of the traditional bookie shop. Which will have a knock on affect on racing. You would hope that whatever arises out of what is going to be a challenging situation the british horseracing authorities take a hard look at their program book.
For me there is no need for so many low class handicaps. In the States, their system of optional claimers and allowance races offers a simpler pathway.
They also promote their pools betting over there, which leads to big dividends. Which ought to appeal to the lottery punters here.
Big fields do not guarantee competitive racing.
A look at Ireland would tell you that a Mullins horse in a maiden hurdle is likely to go off even money. If youre lucky.
Uk horse racing is dependent on the bookmakers levy and the books demand lots of handicaps. So punters dont get too many odds on favourites.
At the moment the only races that can guarantee big fields are sprinter/miler hcaps on the flat and staying hcap chases over jumps.
You cant have a card made up of just those type of races.
Tho lord knows plenty of courses seem to try.
I should think over the next ten years or so we will witness the demise of the traditional bookie shop. Which will have a knock on affect on racing. You would hope that whatever arises out of what is going to be a challenging situation the british horseracing authorities take a hard look at their program book.
For me there is no need for so many low class handicaps. In the States, their system of optional claimers and allowance races offers a simpler pathway.
They also promote their pools betting over there, which leads to big dividends. Which ought to appeal to the lottery punters here.
thelatarps Joined: 13 Jul 02
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At the moment the only races that can guarantee big fields are sprinter/miler hcaps on the flat and staying hcap chases over jumps.
Also Class 6 handicaps on the AW almost always have to be split.
Replies: 426827 Mar 22 11:02
At the moment the only races that can guarantee big fields are sprinter/miler hcaps on the flat and staying hcap chases over jumps.
Also Class 6 handicaps on the AW almost always have to be split.
lincoln /silver lincoln
in a historical open handicap as well as the 8 runner consolation race in lincoln it self we had
5 x 50,s shots
2x 80,s shotsa
125 shot and a 150,s shot,
which probably meant 7 or 7 100 plus shots on betfair,
full field in name only
in a historical open handicap as well as the 8 runner consolation race in lincoln it self we had
5 x 50,s shots
2x 80,s shotsa
125 shot and a 150,s shot,
which probably meant 7 or 7 100 plus shots on betfair,
full field in name only
I guess you have to ask yourself why are there so many class 6 handicappers?
Mark Johnston once said that as a trainer you really ought to be able to train most horses up to an Official Rating of 80+ at least.
Its sort of like school.
You get a handful of kids at the top and bottom end of the curve, while the majority are in the middle.
I appreciate most trainers are not of MJo's level.
But the uk system of handicaps seems to promote some sort of comfort zone of bad racing in handicaps, with no encouragement to better yourself or your horses.
The aim appears to be get your horse down to a low handicap mark by running deplorably badly. Then when the OR is sufficiently poor you try to pull a stroke in the betting markets if your horse does somehow manage to finish with its head in front.
Thats not right.
As for the Lincoln, well one of those horses trading at 50/1 for a good part of the day did manage to win. The Linc seemed to follow a trend of recent years. The market concentrating on a bunch of lightly raced 4yos whose ability was said to be that of the mythic 'Group horse in handicappers clothing'.
Following that line had paid off in the last 3 runnings.
I suppose if you look at it, Johan wasnt winning out of turn. He was a solid performer in heritage hcaps. The fact that he left Haggas for Channon was a red flag for me. But when you heard Mick's son say it was just a change of scenery the horse required it all seemed to make sense.
Oh well.
Mark Johnston once said that as a trainer you really ought to be able to train most horses up to an Official Rating of 80+ at least.
Its sort of like school.
You get a handful of kids at the top and bottom end of the curve, while the majority are in the middle.
I appreciate most trainers are not of MJo's level.
But the uk system of handicaps seems to promote some sort of comfort zone of bad racing in handicaps, with no encouragement to better yourself or your horses.
The aim appears to be get your horse down to a low handicap mark by running deplorably badly. Then when the OR is sufficiently poor you try to pull a stroke in the betting markets if your horse does somehow manage to finish with its head in front.
Thats not right.
As for the Lincoln, well one of those horses trading at 50/1 for a good part of the day did manage to win. The Linc seemed to follow a trend of recent years. The market concentrating on a bunch of lightly raced 4yos whose ability was said to be that of the mythic 'Group horse in handicappers clothing'.
Following that line had paid off in the last 3 runnings.
I suppose if you look at it, Johan wasnt winning out of turn. He was a solid performer in heritage hcaps. The fact that he left Haggas for Channon was a red flag for me. But when you heard Mick's son say it was just a change of scenery the horse required it all seemed to make sense.
Oh well.
The Class 6 handicappers are numerous and those are the horses people own and spend thousands of pounds keeping them in training and many stable staff employed in the industry. The idea that these horse can rise to a mark of 80 is laughable in most cases and people need to face reality. Heritage handicaps are just a one day a week thing and not many trainers have them.
How do the US meetings do it, 40k maidens at quite a few of the meetings - really enjoyed this winters racing there, if UK goes to ****, it's definitely a viable option, especially if you only play the flat stuff - nice 7 meetings tonight 
I think Mr Always Trying might find things a bit more difficult if he didn't have a load of 0-60s and 0-70s in which to run his 80-rated horses.
I have no desire to belittle people in the industry. There are a couple of yards near where i live and of the few people i have met they are genuinely among the most polite individuals with whom i have had the privilege to speak.
Do we really need the stigma of class 6 tho?
In ireland they just have handicaps, 0-60, 0-75, 0-109 over hurdles etc.
I guess of c6 hcappers, a number are going to be older horses at the end of their career who were once upon a time capable of running to a mark of 80. A number are going to be just not that good. And there will be a number of younger horses who were held up out the back of novice races in order to get a low handicap mark.
Its that i am talking about. Risible business.
Do we really need the stigma of class 6 tho?
In ireland they just have handicaps, 0-60, 0-75, 0-109 over hurdles etc.
I guess of c6 hcappers, a number are going to be older horses at the end of their career who were once upon a time capable of running to a mark of 80. A number are going to be just not that good. And there will be a number of younger horses who were held up out the back of novice races in order to get a low handicap mark.
Its that i am talking about. Risible business.
to be fair loads of mjk 80 rated horses were once bred/paid 100,s of thousands of £,s to be 100 plus rated horses,
he,s failing downwards or like people with huge fortunes turning it in to smaller fortunes
he,s failing downwards or like people with huge fortunes turning it in to smaller fortunes
bit like dermot weld multi 100,000 nhorse bred in the purple target galway handicaps and chapper,s et al thinking he,s the worlds best trainer
I'm speaking from experience here, that the only horse I've ever owned was one I bought as a yearling for £3,000. She was never rated higher than 60, but I managed to get four bad races out of her.
But without the knowledge that there were those bad races out there for a 60-rated horse, I would never have taken the £3,000 punt on her in the first place, plus all the associated costs. And I don't think anyone else would have either. So what would have happened to her? And what breeders would bother in the first place, unless there were those incentives for people to buy ones which turn out as small as my one was? No breeder sets out to produce a 60-rated horse who fetches only three grand. It's just too expensive a business to do that. But the fact is that they do happen, and there needs to be a race programme and a market for them.
But without the knowledge that there were those bad races out there for a 60-rated horse, I would never have taken the £3,000 punt on her in the first place, plus all the associated costs. And I don't think anyone else would have either. So what would have happened to her? And what breeders would bother in the first place, unless there were those incentives for people to buy ones which turn out as small as my one was? No breeder sets out to produce a 60-rated horse who fetches only three grand. It's just too expensive a business to do that. But the fact is that they do happen, and there needs to be a race programme and a market for them.
Well Screaming,
To quote Jack Nicholson in the film A Few Good Men..
'Dont I feel like a real ****'
You make a good point, there does need to be a market for such racehorses.
As for MJo and DK Weld. Its probably worthwhile to remember that tho they do enjoy patronage from wealthy individuals from the Maktoum family and the Aga in Dermot's case. But for the most part they are having to do the Delboy bit of having to play wheeler dealer at the sales.
They have got where they are by being smart businessman as well as smart horsemen.
To quote Jack Nicholson in the film A Few Good Men..
'Dont I feel like a real ****'
You make a good point, there does need to be a market for such racehorses.
As for MJo and DK Weld. Its probably worthwhile to remember that tho they do enjoy patronage from wealthy individuals from the Maktoum family and the Aga in Dermot's case. But for the most part they are having to do the Delboy bit of having to play wheeler dealer at the sales.
They have got where they are by being smart businessman as well as smart horsemen.
thelatarps 27 Mar 22 18:04
Do we really need the stigma of class 6 tho?
Clearly you don't seem to care about the thousands of people employed in the industry looking after these horses let alone how many meetings we would lose. Stigma? what a disgusting way to describe something that gives so much pleasure to so many people.
Do we really need the stigma of class 6 tho?
Clearly you don't seem to care about the thousands of people employed in the industry looking after these horses let alone how many meetings we would lose. Stigma? what a disgusting way to describe something that gives so much pleasure to so many people.
Sorry you feel that way Sparrow
No offence meant. If any was given i do apologise.
As for the States and their 40k maidens, one imagines that the racecourse has a monopoly on the wagering. So a good proportion of it can get ploughed back into prize money.
Maybe with the liberalisation of bookmaking in certain states over the pond they might well end up with a similar problem, funding wise, to us.
No offence meant. If any was given i do apologise.
As for the States and their 40k maidens, one imagines that the racecourse has a monopoly on the wagering. So a good proportion of it can get ploughed back into prize money.
Maybe with the liberalisation of bookmaking in certain states over the pond they might well end up with a similar problem, funding wise, to us.
Ok, fair enough latarps. But my point is that there are some classes of Racing that I personally dislike but appreciate that others enjoy it and with regard to the future something needs to be done about prize money distribution and the influence and domination of the bookmakers.
This industry needs to be able to operate without the dependance on bookmakers and move to a better Tote system and of course exchanges to keep more of the revenues within Racing.
This industry needs to be able to operate without the dependance on bookmakers and move to a better Tote system and of course exchanges to keep more of the revenues within Racing.
Amazing how M Johnston always manages to forget his early days - I had a debate with him on the Post letters page may years ago about his views on eliminating races for lower rated horses.
As I pointed out then, in 1988, he produced a total of five winners from his base in Lincolnshire. Three of those were in 2yo maidens at Ayr, Beverley and Catterick. The other two came from a filly who won handicaps off 62 and 67. There were also a gaggle of horses that failed to win, which included one that ended the season finishing second in a Warwick selling handicap off a mark of 41, and another that was out of the washing in a 5F selling handicap at Musselburgh off a mark of 29.
One of the horses that made his name back in the mid 90's was Star Rage - his first win came in a Mussleburgh claiming handicap off a mark of 39.
All this is in the form book, anyone can check the facts, but MJ prefers never to be reminded of his humble origins.
As I pointed out then, in 1988, he produced a total of five winners from his base in Lincolnshire. Three of those were in 2yo maidens at Ayr, Beverley and Catterick. The other two came from a filly who won handicaps off 62 and 67. There were also a gaggle of horses that failed to win, which included one that ended the season finishing second in a Warwick selling handicap off a mark of 41, and another that was out of the washing in a 5F selling handicap at Musselburgh off a mark of 29.
One of the horses that made his name back in the mid 90's was Star Rage - his first win came in a Mussleburgh claiming handicap off a mark of 39.
All this is in the form book, anyone can check the facts, but MJ prefers never to be reminded of his humble origins.
The National Hunt horses have Point to Point races for the enthusiats and those horses that do not make the grade and as mentioned earlier by someone most are happy with their lot. It provides a place in the sport for the owner breeder, amateur jockey and fun days out. This is where the flat falls down it is a one fits all system with too many at the bottom. Class 7 races werer tried and proved not to be the answer. No one seems to know what is. Perhaps we should have a few more sellers and claiming races. Many class 6 horses are finding a home in the winter on the six all weather tracks and maybe this is the way it will go.
I understand that if betting is allowed on races, there have to be strict rules and essential costs of security and so on. The beauty of point to points is that they are available to those on a much lower budget and, although there are rules, they do not cost millions to administer. No such cheaper version of flat racing exists here. The costs of flat racing have become higher and higher while prize money has risen much more slowly if at all. Without foreign owners, it would fold very quickly.
Sage, spot on about the flat having no "cheaper" alternative, like ptp for us jumps fans
Can't see how this can be resolved anytime soon
Btw, had a trip out to Shapwick the other morning, lovely weather, and gave my shock absorbers a nice workout getting there
Can't see how this can be resolved anytime soon
Btw, had a trip out to Shapwick the other morning, lovely weather, and gave my shock absorbers a nice workout getting there
Was that a reconnoitrer - or dummy run - for the forthcoming Glastonbury - Reg ?
Horseracing must not be run to suit or pander to bookies; bookies are dictating how horseracing is run. If in doubt look at the potential sponsors not wanting to be tarnished with the same brush as the fobt peddlers.
Until the BHA grasp this reality horseracing will continue its present spiral decline. It's not rocket science.
Until the BHA grasp this reality horseracing will continue its present spiral decline. It's not rocket science.
Onlooker, neither, it's a bird wildlife place on the Somerset levels where I know sageform frequents, as do I myself
Ironically, it is also a back route to avoid Glastonbury traffic when the festival is on
Ironically, it is also a back route to avoid Glastonbury traffic when the festival is on
Did you use the Shapwick-Westhay road Reg? we have to keep it bumpy to reduce the rat runners
@thelatarps
"As for the States and their 40k maidens, one imagines that the racecourse has a monopoly on the wagering. So a good proportion of it can get ploughed back into prize money.
Maybe with the liberalisation of bookmaking in certain states over the pond they might well end up with a similar problem, funding wise, to us."
My understanding is the recent legalisation of sports betting in the USA (state by state) does not include betting on Racing.
"As for the States and their 40k maidens, one imagines that the racecourse has a monopoly on the wagering. So a good proportion of it can get ploughed back into prize money.
Maybe with the liberalisation of bookmaking in certain states over the pond they might well end up with a similar problem, funding wise, to us."
My understanding is the recent legalisation of sports betting in the USA (state by state) does not include betting on Racing.
Sageform, exactly that route, can't think of a worse surface anywhere
I wouldn't want to drive an expensive car along it, it's OK for my old van
I wouldn't want to drive an expensive car along it, it's OK for my old van
Cheers Longbridge
Ahead of the game, the Yanks.
Ahead of us at least.
Ahead of the game, the Yanks.
Ahead of us at least.
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