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leif
12 Mar 22 20:33
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This lot on psychotropic drugs or merely 'AT IT'?

https://www.thetipsterleague.com/best-horse-racing-tipsters

The leader with a £10,580.10 profit accrued this since Feb 20 [£24.99 a month if you want his expertise] - coincidentally the same month this Englandbarnes character joined twitter [see below]





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Report leif March 12, 2022 8:44 PM GMT
About Value Odds Racing Analyst
Q.

How are bets sent out and how do I access them?

A.
The instant I publish a tip, you will receive an email notification that includes a link to view the tip on The Tipster League. I always email subscribers when the first bet of the evening is on the way and I also inform subscribers when the final bet of the evening has been sent.

How many tips are sent out?

A.
6-7 tips are sent out during the busy summer months, but after the traditional flat season has finished and the number of flat races reduces, the daily number of bets will come down to around 3-4

Shocked 6/7 tips maybe 3-4 -
Report tanglefoot March 12, 2022 8:53 PM GMT
Tipsters claiming 5/1 on a 5/4 pony
Report tanglefoot March 12, 2022 8:55 PM GMT
They may even add a BOOM Laugh
Report leif March 12, 2022 8:57 PM GMT
Where can I view your past results?

A.
All my results are independently verified and recorded by The Tipster League which you can view further down this page. You can see a detailed breakdown of my results dating back to February 2020 when my service started. The Tipster League records a wide range of results that you may find of interest.

If you are part of the jiggery-pokery you verify your own jackanories.
Report Andrew.in.Sweden March 13, 2022 10:09 AM GMT
Tipsters claiming 5/1 on a 5/4 pony

Correct, and posting the previous day at fantasy odds where you would only get buttons on.
Report sparrow March 13, 2022 10:11 AM GMT
Just another bunch of con artists.
Report GLASGOWCALLING March 13, 2022 10:27 AM GMT
" Although I have stopped playing of late due to them changing the format "

  ..... Thinly veiled I was doing my nuts in and didnt want the world to see. !!
Report GLASGOWCALLING March 13, 2022 10:35 AM GMT
LaughGrin  This fellas is still asking for " Subscribers "  !!!!

   MrGreenUp    3989    -11.09%    -£5,268.70
-526.87pts
Report sparrow March 13, 2022 10:42 AM GMT
I find it incredible that any punter with even the slightest knowledge of horse racing would bother with this sort of nonsense.
Report leif March 13, 2022 10:47 AM GMT
I find it incredible that any punter with even the slightest knowledge of horse racing would bother with this sort of nonsense.

As P.T Barnum once said -There's a sucker................
Report GLASGOWCALLING March 13, 2022 10:47 AM GMT
Its simple Maths Sparrow, I am not on Twitter but  330 MILLION people are, you only need a tiny fraction to Subscribe.
Report sparrow March 13, 2022 10:55 AM GMT
We all know that Glasgow but I still find it incredible that people fall for this.
Report The Management March 13, 2022 11:01 AM GMT
All "tipsters" have moved on and changed their Modus Operandi. The days of pretending you have inside info have been replaced with the new "Holy Grail" (fuelled by some high profile names like Tom Segal and Hugh Taylor etc) is after-timing fictional prices.

Prices that never existed.
Prices that only existed with "bookmakers" that don't take bets (casino/slots operators masquerading as bookmakers).
Prices that only existed for a fraction of a second to £2 stakes.

Segal and Taylor are among the more reputable and knowledgable - but it's the same MO for all these scam sites and charlatans on social media.

If you are a loser, you can try it for yourself. Review all of your bets that show you are an overall loser, now add one point onto the SP of all your shorter priced winners, three points onto the SP of all your medium/middle priced winners and between 6-12 points onto all you winning long-shots - If you are still not in profit, you need to give the game up - but you will probably now be in regular profit.

Ironically by advertising their false Holy Grail - at least they are pointing you in the direction of the real Holy Grail.

Price is the only thing that matters - the difficult bit (even with your own selections) is actually obtaining the prices and the much more difficult bit is obtaining them to scale. With somebody elses selections you'd have little chance of obtaining the price and absolutely zero chance of doing it to scale.
Report The Management March 13, 2022 11:17 AM GMT
Specifically with regard to ENGLANDBARNES1, it's a very interesting thread imo  - but all you need to know is that he admitted his own stakes are under £10. Not only does he still have accounts with a host of on-line bookmakers, he also still receives concessions from them - so you can make your own mind up from that as to whether he is winning to scale or effectively just "paper trading".
Report leif March 13, 2022 11:53 AM GMT
ENGLANDBARNES121 Feb 22 16:29Joined: 24 Mar 09 | Topic/replies: 726 | Blogger: ENGLANDBARNES1's blog
In other news, I’m still trying to work out how best to advertise my expertise so have started a Twitter page with my (normally) daily selections on.

I’ll continue on here alongside that for the time being, but will see how things go as I may struggle for time getting my selections up here in March, where as in Twitter, I can just take a picture of my notes on my phone when using Twitter.

Anyway, my Twitter handle is @JumpsRacingTips4 if anyone would like to continue following my selections. Thanks for your support.


That highlighted bit sounds like the oracle that is Gaze.

With regard to @JumpsRacingTips4:

Have you tried searching for his twitter account?
Report leif March 13, 2022 12:03 PM GMT

https://twitter.com/valueoddsracing/with_replies

This just posted on Valueoddsracing [the guy who is 10k up since Feb 2020

Panic PR post?
Report The Management March 13, 2022 12:04 PM GMT
Hi leif - I don't think there is much chance that Gaze and EB1 are the same character. Undoubtedly what they have in common is that they are both trying to recruit subscribers (under false pretences) but I don't see many other similarities. There's a lot of it about!
Report leif March 13, 2022 12:11 PM GMT
EBI has deleted his @JumpsRacingTips4 twatter account?
Report tanglefoot March 13, 2022 10:20 PM GMT
Like most tipsters they are trying to monetise their selections,the reason is it’s much easier to have subscribers paying a steady amount to u ,than actually going head to head with the bookmaker fraternity,plus u can inflate your prices that u get on at.Laugh
Report ENGLANDBARNES1 March 13, 2022 11:05 PM GMT
What an interesting thread!

I was putting my selections up on The Tipster League with some success during last season’s Jump Racing season.

My selections were put up win or ew with a points ratio depending how much I fancied it.
During the summer (when I don’t really bet due to having no interest in flat racing or class 5 jump racing), they changed the structure to win only rather than ew, and then again to just the one selection per day. For someone like myself who likes to mainly bet ew, I didn’t see the point in continuing so thought I would post my selections elsewhere.
And yes the majority of my bets are low in comparison to some people, but that’s just because I’m tight with my money and always have enjoyed gambling in this style.
In answer to the other question, I am still on Twitter, again offering my selections free and keeping P and L under the same name.

As for people paying for selections, I have the time to go through form in much more detail due to it being being my hobby and passion where as others with busier life’s may prefer to pay for someone else to do the hard work.

I’m sure better tipsters exist than myself, but I know many worse ones also do. Everything I do is with the upmost honesty and the highest morals. All the best, and I hope we all have a profitable four days next week ;)
Report Life-Lucky March 14, 2022 7:55 AM GMT
I'm a self-confessed mug punter but under no circumstances would I pay for 'tips'. As for seemingly worshipped figures like Hugh Taylor et al ok they make a profit on turnover but its not huge and, really, does anyone have the self-discipline to only bet as they suggest?
Report The Management March 14, 2022 11:26 AM GMT
ENGLANDBARNES113 Mar 22 23:05Joined: 24 Mar 09 | Topic/replies: 730 | Blogger: ENGLANDBARNES1's blog
Everything I do is with the upmost honesty and the highest morals.


I don't doubt that you are showing a profit from 'paper trading" because that is very easily done. If you aren't really placing any bets (or are betting to £2 stakes) then the prices you are claiming might be briefly available - but they won't be available to anybody else (your subscribers), especially if they want to bet to scale (i.e. more than £2!). 

From your Daily Fancies thread - you are expecting people to believe that you have active accounts with Bet356, Korals, Billy Mountains, Slybet, BF Sportsbook, Sadbrokes, and Paddy. That you are taking advantage of their (night before) price ricks & standouts (via oddschecker) and getting bets on at those prices and making a regular profit without account restrictions or account closures.

You are presumably expecting your subscribers to mirror your P&L - i.e.to be allowed to exactly copy your selections and get the same (fictional) prices without getting closed down or restricted (and they would need to do this to some scale just to cover the cost of subscribing).

That's not honest it's just pure fantasy. The difference between "paper-trading" (pretend bets or tiny bets) versus betting profitably to scale is massive and you will know this. So to imply/pretend they are the same, in order to attract subscribers is not honest or moral imo.
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