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FOYLESWAR
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on bbc news today the gist of it is ............40 yo takes own life after being furloughed and getting lured back into online gambling ,free bets being offered after he appeared to have taken control of gambling lured him back in .obviously his own decision as to start gambling again but a tragic outcome.
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Report barstool August 23, 2021 12:12 PM BST
Very sad but mental health illness probably the cause with gambling along with other things such as gambling a factor. Tragic which ever way it is.
Report the dealer August 23, 2021 12:38 PM BST
What about the other 17 or 18 committing suicide on average daily, do they not warrant a mention from the BBC.
Tragic story but let's get it into a sense of perspective
Report Wesdag August 23, 2021 12:51 PM BST
correct
Report BARROWBOY August 23, 2021 1:48 PM BST
Tragic indeed.friend of mine topped himself 6 or 7 years ago was addicted to the fobt roulette machines,cost him his job,wife & finally his life.felt very guilty at the time as he’d asked me for a loan a few weeks before, he was already into me for a few k so I told him no way if it was going into a roulette machine.incredible really how a very intelligent person can get sucked in by those machines.
Report saddo August 23, 2021 1:58 PM BST
barstool 23 Aug 21 11:12 
Very sad but mental health illness probably the cause with gambling along with other things such as gambling a factor. Tragic which ever way it is.


...........

I think there are far more people developing mental health problems through gambling, than mentally ill people falling into gambling.
Report stu August 23, 2021 2:39 PM BST
I think I followed this case quite closely (his wife posts a lot about it on twitter).

Pretty sure, as saddo says, he was fine until gambling debts, payday loans he couldn't pay, and desperation got to him in the end. He'd had gambling addiction years before, it prob never left him but got worse in recent times.
Report Ramruma August 23, 2021 5:58 PM BST
Isn't part of the trouble that once you are sucked in, and way over your head in debt, the only rational course once all other sources of funds are exhausted is to keep gambling, or so it must seem, until that one big win? And if you are offered free bets, where's the possible harm?

It is wrong, of course, but not as obviously irrational as that lunatic who thought he'd made a pact with the devil to kill women in exchange for a lottery win. It could happen, and at a far smaller scale, who among us has not been on a long losing run before getting out on the last?

What's the answer? No idea. Games are designed to be enticing but I cannot see how you can stop that. The government can hardly create an enticement limit like a speed limit. There are already affordability checks, or are supposed to be, and god knows they are a PITA for the rest of us.

RIP and best wishes to those left behind.
Report differentdrum August 23, 2021 6:03 PM BST
I hope not too many 'problem gamblers' were on Audarya yesterday.
Report dustybin August 23, 2021 6:15 PM BST
I've just finished the book 'Promise me you'll shoot yourself'
About the epidemic of suicides that went through Germany when they realised they'd lost WW2.
Good book. It was mainly women killing their children then trying, and in many cases failing to drown themselves.
They were bumping themselves off at a fair lick even by the start of the war; 23,000 a year.
Report stewarty b August 23, 2021 6:15 PM BST
I read this story before and although I've been punting since 13 (bookies) I was always gutted but able to take it on the chin. Read about a man who got way in over his head and the whole family was up for eviction. His wife basically said he brought all of this trouble on us and he took the easy route out. She was left with everything to sort out, even debts she had no idea about.



As the dealer said....


What about the other 17 or 18 committing suicide on average daily, do they not warrant a mention from the BBC.
Tragic story but let's get it into a sense of perspective




I often wonder what what % of these men got over their heads by gambling.




Alcohol, drugs and gambling is no respecter of people whether you be a labourer , doctor or solicitor.




If it gets a hold of you you can be doomed. Had I not have got a strategy of sorts I could be living in a bedsit drinking cheap wine after doing my dough in. Thankfully IF I don't make a few bob on here I have a second income that pays the bills etc but that wasn't always the case.

I'm slightly  more responsible now but I know how it feels to be potless.
Report stu August 23, 2021 6:18 PM BST
The thing about these type of cases (and there are many similar) I often think is - how terrified an individual can become in front of their own wife/husband/family.

That taking their own life is a better option than a 'mea culpa'.

It shows the level of fear they are really feeling at that time.
Report stewarty b August 23, 2021 6:21 PM BST
** Always feel sad when someone takes their own life. Sadly, they usually feel very happy before the event because, apparently they know their torture is going to end so there's no way of telling.



The only other thing on the subject I would like to mention is that nobody's immune.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps August 23, 2021 6:41 PM BST
the amount of people with gambling addictions in this country since the introduction of smartphones will be nothing short of frightening.
Report impossible123 August 23, 2021 6:56 PM BST
Individuals with a lower threshold of addiction will get hook-in by free bets and other promos eg hospitality. It's not refuted bookies prey on the weakest to maximise their profits. The present day bookies esp those online are nothing but scumbags; problem gamblers is merely a number to them...until they're brought to book.

Sometimes I wish those head honchos (not founders) of betting firms or their families will get their comeuppance in later lives. I honestly believe until then they'll have no idea as to what adverse gambling consequences are until they experienced them themselves.

Every form of gambling must monitored and policed some more closely; limit the number of betting entities on the high street and online; ban all forms of advertising esp mobile; computer and tv (the midnight tv adverts) sicken me to the core when some are at their most vulnerable eg alone in the middle of the night.
Report Ramruma August 23, 2021 7:07 PM BST
Perhaps the law should distinguish between matters of skill, like racing or football betting, and games of pure chance like FOBTs and cartoon betting. Allow the former but severely restrict the latter, as in the old days when amusement arcade slot machines could pay out a pound or so.

It is games of chance that have been highly developed to suck in the foolish, and that allow the speed of play to empty an account in short order. More subtly, I suspect but cannot prove that these games of chance are more susceptible of irrational beliefs like god-granted luck.
Report dustybin August 23, 2021 7:09 PM BST
Losers always find a way to lose.
They are persistent.
Report barstool August 23, 2021 7:46 PM BST
Night after night you can see ads for on line Casino's . A major  high street bookie is advertising "play for free and win". Another on line firm has £2,000,000 jackpot waiting to be won.  At the same time they surreptitiously close down winning accounts or restricting stakes to selective punters.

It really is time that games of chance were restricted to Casino operated license holders only, where only paid up members can play. Likewise a bookmakers license should be only be for betting on actual sports. Not the lottery, cartoon stuff and fobts.

Tony Blair and Tessa Jowell well and truly let the Genie out of the bag with their 2005 Gambling Act. Advertising went through the roof and there are now well over 30 million on line betting accounts in the Uk.

That genie will be a tough nut to tame now.
Report barstool August 23, 2021 7:49 PM BST
Apologies Ramruma, had not read your thread. We are somewhat on the same lines I guess.
Report Ramruma August 23, 2021 8:03 PM BST
No problem, @barstool. It is encouraging.

Re the Gambling Act, I spoke to a Conservative MP on the Select Committee about this. He said they did not foresee a problem because competition between operators would take care of it. Both parties at the time (and maybe even now) had a blind faith in free markets to solve any problem. I say blind faith because even a moment's thought would have told the MPs (and Ministers) that competition would not optimise consumer protection, just the opposite!
Report impossible123 August 23, 2021 9:11 PM BST
The former head honcho at the Gambling Commission jumped before he was pushed. His stewardship of Football Index was the last straw. A radical review of the present Betting/Gaming Act is long overdue.

Banning betting adverts on popular social devices and platforms is a good step forward.
Report FOYLESWAR August 23, 2021 9:34 PM BST
when the fobts had just started  outside my local laddies saturday morning 2 attractive young birds with a little table with balloons and decorations  giving out free bets for the fobts saying to anyone who was going in or just passing free £5 bet you cant lose ,fair enough passers by choice wether to take the offer up but i just wonder how many got hooked who would othewise walked straight by the bookies .not blaming the girls of course but the firms knew full well what they were doing
Report ronnie rails August 23, 2021 10:55 PM BST
Very sad to say but since the shop opened up again i have seen an awful lot of people who in my opinion have a problem,trying to talk to them is impossible instead of them realising i am trying to help them they give me abuse.when the 2quid limits came in people thought that people could not do there cash in, take it from me people still do there cash in on them, had many a guy in today who played them for HOURS.a very sad situation it is, no doubt i will get some stick but i dont think there is an answer.

regards
Ronnie.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps August 24, 2021 12:08 AM BST
no there isnt an answer..the buzz is addictive.
Report Blackrock August 24, 2021 12:34 PM BST
Certainly do not see why the BBC should highlight a suicide linked to gambling, when they don't for other reasons.

Gamblers have the choice whether to play or not. If your gambling begins to put your family at risk, then weigh up the options. Either walk away from it and have peace of mind or selfishly carry on and put your whole world in danger of falling apart.

Not a difficult choice is it? But peoples weakness and selfishness is put down to addiction. Not my fault guvnor, its the bookies offering me free bets. Suicide is a terrible tragedy for the people left behind, but i have less sympathy for gambling being blamed than i would for other reasons.
Report DIE LINKE August 24, 2021 1:37 PM BST
Betfair got around the opt out on marketing mails by putting the bonuses directly into his account and claimed everyone is eligible for such bonuses. Confused
Report dave1357 August 24, 2021 1:47 PM BST
Tony Blair and Tessa Jowell well and truly let the Genie out of the bag with their 2005 Gambling Act. Advertising went through the roof and there are now well over 30 million on line betting accounts in the Uk.

First: the Act had all party consensus because it had to be passed in time for an election.

Second: internet gambling was already well up and running at the time of the Act.  The Act limited advertising to EU and a few other areas.

Third: the Act gave the UKGC every power it needed to restrict licencees, they didn't use them almost def because of government policy.
Report barstool August 24, 2021 2:23 PM BST
Sorry, but the Labour party carries the can on this.

It was a Labour Bill introduced by Tony Blair and Tessa Jowell.

On line Gambling was less than 10% of the population in 2008.

31 million live accounts in the UK now. Up to 47% of the population bet on line.
Report themightymac August 24, 2021 2:25 PM BST
Online bookies have no moral compass. Their objective from the outset is to get customers hooked on online casinos. Like drug dealers giving free drugs to get folk hooked. Gambling is more addictive than crack cocaine.

This is where they make their big profits from. Addicted problem casino gamblers.

The same companies that shut or severely restrict winning accounts from selective winning gamblers.

As gamblers, many of us have known of similar cases happening to close friends and family who are no longer here.  Very very sad story. Condolences to his family and friends.
Report casemoney August 24, 2021 3:09 PM BST
Night after night you can see ads for on line Casino's

Yes, we have the new Crop of Awareness and take time out Adds  from the bookies , Complete shyte  , Back door advertising

The worse Adverts have to be the pathetic Hills adds ,People in a chip shop on roulette, Barbers the same ,and Tone Muckoy pointing  out a winner

in a newspaper,he cant get enough money  , all to the pathetic Caroline Background music ..
Report dave1357 August 24, 2021 3:11 PM BST

Aug 24, 2021 -- 2:23PM, barstool wrote:


Sorry, but the Labour party carries the can on this.It was a Labour Bill introduced by Tony Blair and Tessa Jowell. On line Gambling was less than 10% of the population in 2008.31 million live accounts in the UK now. Up to 47% of the population bet on line.


Explain what part of that bill caused an increase in online gambling.

Report casemoney August 24, 2021 3:13 PM BST
I have known a lot of Gamblers in my Time ,there are not many I know that have not done their Bollix at some stage , Myself included Sad
Report casemoney August 24, 2021 3:14 PM BST
All part and parcel
Report casemoney August 24, 2021 3:17 PM BST
Not sure why politics has been brought into this , most Politicians know foook all about gambling and care less , as Ronnie has stated the 2 quid machine business has probably made no difference ..
Report the dealer August 24, 2021 3:20 PM BST
Where do we go next..

No cheap booze in supermarkets(already in scotland)

No pub happy hours or cheap shots

No 2 for a £1 yum yums, or meal deals  in greggs

Alcohol abuse and Obesity a massive issue also.

Its the million dollar question, should the majority who gamble, drink and eat responsibly suffer because of the minority who cant or dont.
Report barstool August 24, 2021 3:29 PM BST
The 2005 Act removed restrictions on advertising (which has increased 600% since.)

A total explosion in advertising, tv, on line, the high street, press, everywhere you turn

That is the part of the Bill which caused the mess we are in now.
Report dave1357 August 24, 2021 3:30 PM BST
the thing is, I drank and gambled irresponsibly sometimes at the dame time when I was young. I learned not to do both (mostly). So most of the majority are the minority from time to time.
Report dave1357 August 24, 2021 3:31 PM BST
barstool • August 24, 2021 3:29 PM BST
The 2005 Act removed restrictions on advertising (which has increased 600% since.)

A total explosion in advertising, tv, on line, the high street, press, everywhere you turn

It most def did not, in fact it introduced restrictions.
Report DIE LINKE August 24, 2021 3:31 PM BST
Basically the site we are using right now offered bonuses (which 99% of account holders do not receive) to an obviously vulnerable punter with a history of huge losses.
Report dave1357 August 24, 2021 3:35 PM BST
Here is the tory repeal of the restriction on advertising in 2014

Repeal of existing offence of advertising foreign gambling
(1)Section 331 of the Gambling Act 2005 (offence of advertising foreign gambling) is repealed.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2014/17/section/3
.
Report themightymac August 24, 2021 4:16 PM BST
People should be able to do what they want, as long as it is legal. Of course they should.

If I walk down the street and decide to go in a betting shop and lose my lot, then that is a self conscious choice I made.

If I decide to go to a racecourse and gamble and lose my lot, then that is a self conscious choice I made.

If I walk through the city and decide to enter a Casino and gamble and lose my lot, then that is a self conscious choice I made.

But online bookmakers sending me texts and emails many times a day offering me free bets on casino games in an effort to addict me to online gaming, is morally wrong, imo. I have no interest in gaming so just bin them but many don`t and if the allegations in the opening post are correct, then this is partly responsible for the tragic death of this young man.

Advertising should be banned for online bookies, just like they ban or restrict winning customers.
Report themightymac August 24, 2021 4:35 PM BST
Guy in pub today. £5 double online. First one wins 5/2. Second one to come is 20/1. Bookie offers a Cash Out of £4.50. Now that is immoral too imo. Daylight robbery.
Report themightymac August 24, 2021 4:38 PM BST
Guy in pub today. £5 double online. First wins at 5/2.  Second to come is 20/1. They offer him a cash out of £4.50.  Now that is daylight robbery and morally wrong too imo.
Report dave1357 August 24, 2021 4:44 PM BST
seems bad but if he took 20s and it's now 50s
Report themightymac August 24, 2021 4:48 PM BST
Not sure Dave but I think he took 16/1. He has bet a winner and they are giving him less than his stake back. Hope it wins.
Report Lucky Luciano August 24, 2021 5:20 PM BST
I agree about personal responsibility I’ve been gambling for 50 years and have done so responsibly most of the time alcohol being the catalyst for going too far a few times but never so it affected my life. mate, same age has had high earning jobs massive redundancies always found another job, and has lived with his mum all his life, thought nothing of doing 500 quid in a lunchtime at work but walk extra 100 yards to save 50 p on a sandwich.
Out of work now He is potless doesn’t own anything of note but still enjoys a gamble to smaller stakes but doesn’t want any sympathy he knows and blames no one else.
Problem today is the ease to which the younger people can start gambling, all so easy to download  the app and that sense of missing out the fun your mates are having. Unfortunately it’s not for everyone addiction is a terrible thing and we all know the demon of chasing your loses
The answer I don’t know but I would ban all gambling advertising on tv especially the on line firms, all them friendly faces trying to lure you in like the lights and bells on a fruit machine. They’re getting well rewarded I’m sure the likes of rednapp winstone etc
Report impossible123 August 24, 2021 6:42 PM BST
I used to get loads of promos from 'billies' eg free spins, and won almost every time - I firmly believe it was engineered for me to win. Each time I'd spend the winning on horses or withdraw. Now I cannot even win on Scratch of the Day with them.

Here Id opted out of promotion yet every now and again I'd be offered free spins. If I took them up they'd stop after a while. They'd then ask me to opt in. When I refused the promotion would stop. This cycle would repeat itself.

The above is their way of grinding you down eventually. I'm sure a high percentage of punters would succumb otherwise the bookies would not have bothered.
Report acey deucy August 24, 2021 6:49 PM BST
What about the other 17 or 18 committing suicide on average daily, do they not warrant a mention from the BBC.
Tragic story but let's get it into a sense of perspective...Good point,there is not a week goes past that someone does not throw themselves off Beachy Head.
Report JetLoneStar August 24, 2021 6:55 PM BST
Not to be insensitive, but how is this different to people developing alcohol and drug addictions and ending up committing suicide (of which there are far more cases), both which are freely available?
Report DIE LINKE August 24, 2021 6:57 PM BST
don't think you give a fck about them either, do you acey?
Report acey deucy August 24, 2021 7:00 PM BST
Fook off ****.
Report Celtic warrior August 24, 2021 8:28 PM BST
Disgrace. Free casino bets. Bookmakers should be banned. Countrywide betting exchange only. Strictly no casino.

How much did this poor soul lose?
Report stewarty b August 24, 2021 10:35 PM BST
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I agree about personal responsibility I’ve been gambling for 50 years and have done so responsibly most of the time alcohol being the catalyst for going too far a few times but never so it affected my life. mate, same age has had high earning jobs massive redundancies always found another job, and has lived with his mum all his life, thought nothing of doing 500 quid in a lunchtime at work but walk extra 100 yards to save 50 p on a sandwich.
Out of work now He is potless doesn’t own anything of note but still enjoys a gamble to smaller stakes but doesn’t want any sympathy he knows and blames no one else.
Problem today is the ease to which the younger people can start gambling, all so easy to download  the app and that sense of missing out the fun your mates are having. Unfortunately it’s not for everyone addiction is a terrible thing and we all know the demon of chasing your loses
The answer I don’t know but I would ban all gambling advertising on tv especially the on line firms, all them friendly faces trying to lure you in like the lights and bells on a fruit machine. They’re getting well rewarded I’m sure the likes of rednapp winstone etc





Superb post LL.
Report ballyregan August 24, 2021 10:50 PM BST
I have an idea just ban online casinos and the silly online games stuff no one ever wins on this section longterm it is also set at an unfair algorhythm imo this will solve the majority of problem gambling especially for the many with underlying issues addictive traits.
if they dont want to ban these because it is bookmakers cashcow  I suggest this is the only section that should fall under the affordabilty umbrella when betting.
I have seen nothing wrong with sports betting over the years it can be difficult to find winners but it is skill based and I think this is fair these gamblers should be left alone.
Report stu August 25, 2021 1:03 AM BST
I agree all purely luck based gaming should be heavily reduced or removed from online.

Casinos and their games have lived a charmed life for way too long.
Report Celtic warrior August 25, 2021 7:49 AM BST
I still get periodic free spins from bf, which I always ignore. Very sad. They are even at it too.
Report dave1357 August 25, 2021 8:42 AM BST
the elephant in the room for skill-less gambling is the lottery and associated scratch cards etc
Report Ramruma August 25, 2021 9:59 AM BST
The actual National Lottery draws are unlikely to cause serious damage, I'd have thought, with long gaps between draws, but if there is evidence of harm, this can be addressed directly.

And if the National Lottery's online scratchcard-like games are caught up in any other restrictions then so be it. We are wandering off-topic now but the vast increase in lottery products seems mainly to have cannibalised its own sales.
Report adamski August 25, 2021 10:41 AM BST
Somebody mentioned Betfair was the company involved with this guy, is that right?
Anyway 100,000 signatures required to be a considered for a parliamentary debate on the issue. So far 17,000 and a tall order to get another 83,000 in 4 months but might be worth signing if you haven't already.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/587806
Report saxon farm August 25, 2021 1:15 PM BST
Signed
Report saxon farm August 25, 2021 1:19 PM BST
Signed
Report Carveth August 25, 2021 1:33 PM BST
I have also signed.
In the Racing Post today:-
Paddy Power co-founder on why he has regrets - and could be seen as a hypocrite
(Jonathan Harding talks to the former chief executive - Stewart Kenny - of the leading bookmaker)
"who resigned from the company's board in 2016 when he believed his concerns regarding problem gambling were continually falling on deaf ears"

I hope he's signed the petition!
Report Blackrock August 25, 2021 1:59 PM BST
I won't sign. Another form of censorship. We're already a long way down that road already. Ban all takeaways for making people obese? I like my choices thank you and if i want a spin on roulette why should i be told i can't?
Report Hayden August 25, 2021 2:13 PM BST
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I agree all purely luck based gaming should be heavily reduced or removed from online.


I'm assuming you're including Horse racing & Soccer in the random list.
Report Celtic warrior August 25, 2021 3:29 PM BST
signed. However, if free bets do get banned then the betting industry (excluding exchanges) is finished. Its all they have left to offer in a the zero sum game that is gambling.
Report FOYLESWAR August 25, 2021 3:30 PM BST
when those scratch cards first came out 1st few weeks a bloke at work at dinner break came back with 30 of them ,i said wtf you buying that amount of those fookin things for ya do your dough for sure ,no he says i have been winning loads on these !  then he scratched them and sure enough he had a good few winners had £90 to come back ,he kept buyinh them in the coming weeks and the wins became less frequent untill for his £30 he was getting a few £1 winners which wernt relly winners but money back, he was hooked by now and fooked tbf.
Report Celtic warrior August 25, 2021 3:33 PM BST
Foyle,

you still see all these pensioners queuing up at the Tesco **** counter for the illicit drug called nicotine from under the counter and a roll of scratch cards the 'tax on the poor'. The govt should be ashamed to let this carry on
Report ihal essex August 25, 2021 5:17 PM BST
(Jonathan Harding talks to the former chief executive - Stewart Kenny - of the leading bookmaker)
"who resigned from the company's board in 2016 when he believed his concerns regarding problem gambling were continually falling on deaf ears"


He'll be donating his obscene bonuses to charity then?
Report FOYLESWAR August 25, 2021 8:34 PM BST
there was a case a good few years back a bird was up in court for stealing £6,000 worth of those scratch cards she scratched them all off and won £47 LaughLaugh ffs shows ya what the mugs are up against!
Report RothmanMike August 25, 2021 8:36 PM BST
Never done the Lottery,never done Scratch Cards,never done FOBTS.
Oh,never done drugs.
Report FOYLESWAR August 25, 2021 8:36 PM BST
there was a case years ago a bird up in court for stealing £6,000 worth of scratch cards ,she scratched them all off and got £47 back iircLaughLaugh shows yer what the mugs are up against !
Report FOYLESWAR August 25, 2021 8:36 PM BST
there was a case years ago a bird up in court for stealing £6,000 worth of scratch cards ,she scratched them all off and got £47 back iircLaughLaugh shows yer what the mugs are up against !
Report Jumping-cuckoo-monk August 25, 2021 8:47 PM BST
£18,000 of scratchers with only £141 coming back in total
Sheesh Cool
Report FOYLESWAR August 25, 2021 8:51 PM BST
ffs theres loads of cases down the years all woman stealing the scratchers!
Report FOYLESWAR August 25, 2021 8:52 PM BST
sorry about the repeats my bad!
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