Can Stradivarius be beaten?

My thread a simple yes or no will do asks the same question , but yours is more open so therefore better...

no

That makes it a yes then

That Cal makes it a yes and no

Jun 17, 2021 -- 11:05AM, tanglefoot wrote:

That Cal makes it a yes and no

On the other hand....

Yeah but no but maybe.

he should win but is 7 now and fresh younger legs to face now in the shape of subjectavist and some unexposed 3yos ,he could be good enough of course with the stamina guaranteed but think i will take him on with a few each way .

Far from a good thing.

acey...hows the placepots getting on??

Just missed out Day 1 portman but got it up yesterday.Got a Monster perm on Today.

No **** won it at 8 so age not a factor for me when they're top class.

No

Yes.

Backed Spanish Mission.

you have to laugh at the people saying it can get beat, have a word.

When ever they start pushing these "Good things" and they offer odds against, trying to suck in all the mug punters...   


I start thinking Let's get this Fecker beat..

Gosden seems to have done his best
over the years to put punters off
the hoss.

Only to be remarkably reassuring after
it trots up.

acey deucy 17 Jun 21 10:32 
Far from a good thing.

comical comment..thats why its evens.

Callisto-moon 17 Jun 21 12:24 
you have to laugh at the people saying it can get beat, have a word.

what would you know ydc...your laying fred is -800 points this yr alone.

Of course it can be beaten , the best perceived horse doesn't always win the race.

Can't see it as a betting race tbh , if you think Stradivarius will be placed then there's only two places left unless using a concession and being honest i'd struggle to find any place certainty as any of the front 11 can hit the frame for me.

Good luck Oily & all.   

Nice each way feel to the race. Emperor of the Sun and both Subjectivist e/w for me. Think this will be the largest number of competitors for the favourite in this race.

unexposed 4 yos ^^^mi bad

Depends on the ground gf Strad is imperious. Softer Trueshan looks dangerous. Irish all out to stop him equally **** record.

Y E A T S (why would that get starred out?)

heads or tails?

can tails be beaten?

Far from a good thing.

Trueshan out on account of ground helps and sort of confirms ground should be ideal for Strad. Would be good.

Only a 7-y-o so still in his prime, and with Frankie up.......lumped on large, cant see anything here to trouble him whatsoever, expect an exhibition.

Frankie to ease him down when beaten

Chunky 1.1 lay not in first 5

Frankie

poor ride fron franko.

Might as well have had jamie
Spencer riding it.

Ffs

That was poor and you could see a long way out

He did ease him down, but most of the others had done also
Shame

1.28 not to be placed - too greedy

You could see that coming a fully 5f out.

feel sorry for placepot punters who had stradivrious.....frankie didn't try for 3rd

Guess we have our answer

doomed as soon as CMoon said is was a cert

Would have not beat winner

dreadful ride by Dettori but dare they criticise the legend? NO

unfortunately a poor ride from frankie..but was still disapointing wen out in the clear..

Three good jockeys all got it very wrong there. Frankie hung back so Buick and Heffernan decided to stay just behind him and none of them were given a chance to win. I was on Spanish Mission and although he beat Strad, he was never really put in the race. At least I didn't pile into the fav. Well done backers of the winner who got the ride of the meeting.

Jun 17, 2021 -- 4:25PM, sageform wrote:

Three good jockeys all got it very wrong there. Frankie hung back so Buick and Heffernan decided to stay just behind him and none of them were given a chance to win. I was on Spanish Mission and although he beat Strad, he was never really put in the race. At least I didn't pile into the fav. Well done backers of the winner who got the ride of the meeting.

Well said.

Bad ride by Frankie he was due one but why the gold cup

Great shout Oily   

As so often, RP Ratings were not far out with outsiders with Princess Zoe having exactly the same rating as Subjectivist. Obviously they were both well down the overall list but they were the only 2 given a realistic chance!

Nice result , I think the horse won on merit and despite it not being Frankies finest hour he wouldn't have reached the winner imo.

From the three pole Stradivarius had as clear a run as Spanish Mission and the latter outpaced him. Fine horse but all good things come to an end.

Any fancy's for tomorrow? I think Campanelle can go well again back on turf and back to a sprint distance. The ground shouldnt bother her if it turns soft as she won a Group race in the soft at Deauville last year following her win in the Queen Mary, 8.0 looks nice on here and around 3. something to place. In the King Edward I like Alenquer at 3.3 and hopefully around 2.5 to place in the two place market, the form of his last race is working out ok.

Alenquer is a decent price. Not bothering with straight course races given the rain and rails track bias (either side) and rain makes it even more of a lottery. I assume Detorri will try and get Campanelle over to rail if the first race suggests centre is the wrong place to be.

Alenquer did it nicely, the early 3.3 was a wise move.

Gets it via the stewards but that will do for me

Last day tomorrow, 3/4 so far and the other placed so fingers crossed.

4.20 Stoute will have Dream of Dreams bang on for this, 2nd in this last year and the year before, soft conditions will suit, Starman has just been pulled out so the market will have to reform but around 3.9 and 1.9 to place will do. Haydock 7.05 Al Shibli looks a decent ptospect, short at around 2.28 but won nicely last time, hoping he can defy a penalty.

Dream of Dreams the price was surprisingly big and certainly bigger than the 4.1 and 2.1 that I took.

OilyWragg - you are GOOD!!

Good little run there Oily WD. After a terrible Tue-Wed, things picked up for me Thu and esp Fri-Sat.

Cheers lads. Irish Derby tomorrow. AOB is mob handed as usual with 5 of the 11 declared runners. The going looks to be slightly better than the good to soft at Epsom so I wouldnt be surprised if some of the placing from the English Derby were reversed, but at the odds I've plumped for Lone Eagle and backed him at 10 on here and will go in the place market closer to the off. Needed his debut race last year and probably this year too. Finished 4th behind Alenquer, Adayar and Yibir at levels over 10 furlongs at Sandown and thats good form to me, then at Goodwood he gave Yibir 5 lbs and didnt just turn the tables but tounced him in style winning as he pleased, that was over 11 furlongs and any more improvement has to surely put him in with a chance tomorrow, I hope so anyway.

Great effort trading to 1.02 making it an easy trade out, 2.8 and 2.82 for the place was the best I could get, happy enough. Hingdsight is a wonderful thing but 3.5 in the 2 place market would have been decent value too.

Winner stopped everything else
should be chucked out, but unlikely.

Thought you were home.

Abbie Power imo would be long odds on if trained by one of the top guys, happy to take 2.44 for the filly whose debut form is working out very well.

I think it will be 2-0 to Subjectivist after the Goodwood Cup. Stradivarius is not improving, and his prep runs for Arc 2020 had not helped. The horse is confused.com.

Dhushan in the 4.45 is a bet for me today, 3.95 on here seems fair enough and around 1.8 for the place (hopefully) The way he has won his last two since upped to this distance suggests that there is more to come. The one he beat comfortably last time went on to be beaten less than a lenght in a Class 2 so the form looks steady enough. Fingers crossed that he goes close today.

Tudhope to bring it home for u

1.85 for the place will have to do, ran a decent race to finish second.