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A coroner will consider if the cause of BBC presenter Lisa Shaw's death might have been complicated by her having had the AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine.

Her family said the 44-year-old was treated for blood clots days after her first jab. She died on Friday.

An interim fact-of-death certificate lists the vaccine as one of the possible factors being considered.

The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said vaccine benefits exceed risks for most people.

The BBC has seen the interim fact-of-death certificate issued by Newcastle's senior coroner Karen Dilks.

It confirms an investigation into Ms Shaw's death will be held and lists a "complication of AstraZeneca Covid-19 virus vaccination" as a consideration.

The document does not determine a cause of death - that will not be issued until the investigation has been completed.

The BBC Radio Newcastle presenter was not known to have any underlying health problems.

Is the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine safe?
In a statement, Ms Shaw's family said: "Lisa developed severe headaches a week after receiving her AstraZeneca vaccine and fell seriously ill a few days later.

"She was treated by the RVI's [Royal Victoria Infirmary] intensive care team for blood clots and bleeding in her head.

"Tragically she passed away, surrounded by her family, on Friday afternoon. We are devastated and there is a Lisa-shaped hole in our lives that can never be filled. We will love and miss her always.

"It's been a huge comfort to see how loved she was by everyone whose lives she touched, and we ask for privacy at this time to allow us to grieve as a family."

An MHRA spokesperson said: "We are saddened to hear about the death of Lisa Shaw and our thoughts are with her family.

"As with any serious suspected adverse reaction, reports with a fatal outcome are fully evaluated by the MHRA, including an assessment of post-mortem details if available.

"Our detailed and rigorous review into reports of blood clots occurring together with thrombocytopenia is ongoing."

It said the number of cases remained "extremely low".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-57267169
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Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 9:19 PM BST
pfizer done me no harm and ive had both jabs ..... and also had sepsis in the past wiv blood clots to boot so fire away doom mongers cos ive worn the t shirt

Blackbarn im coming down your neck of the woods soon and will be attending evening meeting at Brighton on Tuesday 6th July - wud be nice to meet up for a chinwag - already got me tickets booked but found it impossible to book anymore ?? - not sure wot thats about - failing that Hove dogs July 8th CoolCoolCool
Report Crawford May 27, 2021 9:22 PM BST
Deptford - you know she made the beast with two backs with Steptoe back in the day?

A disgusting chancer about whom Simon Webb made this vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swMuUarhKl4
Report Crawford May 27, 2021 9:25 PM BST
smirnoff - had both Pfizer jabs,, second one made me feel a bit crook for a day or two. 

Old Benny Hill gag - Pfizer - "silent P as in swimming pool"

I thank you.
Report MJK May 27, 2021 9:33 PM BST
Well said Smirnoff  it's the old 'I'm not getting it so I dont want anyone else to' scaremongering.
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 9:37 PM BST
1st one gave me sore arm Crawford for a night - didnt even know till i went to bed and rested on it 2nd one was fine - astra vacc has had some bad press but feck me i cant believe how many people believe this to be fake - clearly they aint been touched by it as i hav - went to Beni last year for Chelters and got home by skin of me teeth - one of our crowd succumbed at 48/49 a few weeks later and even though ive neva been tested was sure i had it cos spent thick end of 2-3 weeks in bed and lost two stone in weight - anutha thing in my favour to tell me summat was wrong was i had an ileostomy bag on that usually produced waste in some sort of substance but for those two weeks it was just watery substances coming outta me ShockedShockedShocked
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 27, 2021 9:39 PM BST
millions had the same jab..one dies and an uprising.
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 9:40 PM BST
exactly
Report leif May 27, 2021 9:47 PM BST
"millions had the same jab..one dies and an uprising."


or some people over the age of 80 sneeze and fall over deed so 65 million people are required to get an experimental drug.
Report leif May 27, 2021 9:49 PM BST
old, and sick people die.

why the social panic?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 27, 2021 9:50 PM BST
million take cocaine ev day..1 dies and what happens?

nowt.
Report casemoney May 27, 2021 9:52 PM BST
Unless there is proof the Vaccine caused her death , why is this all over the internet we have enough refusers as it is And I mean among the elderly in some groups ..

Looking at the yellow card Number  pfizer is worse ,who is doing them numbers ?
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 27, 2021 9:54 PM BST
correct cm..all a laod of walofs.
Report casemoney May 27, 2021 9:56 PM BST
Manufacturer    Total reports    Total reactions    Total fatalities



Pfizer             58,065              165,986           374    How can there be that many reactions every report had 3 reactions Laugh
Report casemoney May 27, 2021 9:57 PM BST
Had me 2nd Jab hour an half Ago , you had 2 steve ?
Report leif May 27, 2021 9:58 PM BST
Even one death from covid is a tragedy {the experts trawl out)

yet one death from a trial drug is just a statistic.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 27, 2021 9:58 PM BST
had 1..not going for 2nd.
Report leif May 27, 2021 10:01 PM BST
Not exactly a ringing endorsement for the orthodox two jab approach Rico?
Report wondersobright May 27, 2021 10:01 PM BST
deaths from the jab will never be proven because they've stopped doing autopsies
same applies to covid
Report casemoney May 27, 2021 10:03 PM BST
I was rough after 1st Didn't really  want 2nd but went
Report casemoney May 27, 2021 10:04 PM BST
Whats the Pfizer figures on the Won , Make no sense
Report leif May 27, 2021 10:05 PM BST
Can I ask you why you went for the second Jab case?
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 10:09 PM BST
im still here and im riddled wiv the big C LaughLaughLaugh

DCs at surgery want me to get me feet checked ala diabetes - - had a second invite after i ignored the first - some ones mekkin a few quid outta this i agreeGrinGrinGrin
Report casemoney May 27, 2021 10:23 PM BST
Because I went for the 1st lief , if Co vid is worse  then  Jab Reaction ,I don't want it TBH Laugh as much as prob no chance of catching it now .
Report casemoney May 27, 2021 10:25 PM BST
Irishone posts on Dogs had      co Vid said he was Kyboshed for a month Plain
Report Rico-Dangleflaps May 27, 2021 10:31 PM BST
roughly 7500 people die ev day in the usa...30 allegedly from the vax..any proof?
Report leif May 27, 2021 10:31 PM BST
Captain Invincible.
Report leif May 27, 2021 10:35 PM BST
Russia are now vaccinating animals

Dr Strangelove Sad
Report broadsword May 27, 2021 10:38 PM BST
*Updated  27-5-2021 *
UK Govt figures. Vaccine deaths and bad reactions
Pfizer reactions 175,653,  Pfizer deaths 382.
AstraZenca 676,083 ,       deaths  806.
Moderna 5567,                deaths 4.
Other  2158,                    deaths 21.

Total 859,461,    Total deaths 1,213.
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 10:39 PM BST
heres my call on all things real


i got bowel cancer 2015

nhs treated me(plenty missed in btwn) - i came out the otha side

in 2018 i got sepsis - nearly killed me - but i telt evry1 on me room that Tiger Roll was a gud thing

in late 2020 i got a terminal diagnosis  and yar nar wot i still love me music LoveLoveLoveLove

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88sARuFu-tc


gotta laugh at some of these comments sorry
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 10:51 PM BST
who knows leif but god bless ya when you need their help
Report blackbarn May 27, 2021 10:52 PM BST
Life must be a hoot in the Leif household, with him being such an expert. He even understands the concept of systemic traumas and the nature of its root causes. Didn't he used to be on the chit chat forum?
Report Tiger Tiger May 27, 2021 10:53 PM BST
I agree with blackbarn.
Report leif May 27, 2021 10:57 PM BST
Don't believe in any of these so called gods smirnoff and wont be rushing for any help other than a route to a quick cremation if all else fails.

no chit chat forum history sorry barnsie.
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 10:57 PM BST
he supports tobymug at evry opportunity so is clearly on the wind up CryCryCry
Report Movewiththetimes May 27, 2021 10:58 PM BST
Just watched BBC news at ten, no mention of this story. Just read it, sad for the family as she seemed to have a good future ahead of her Sad
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 11:01 PM BST
leif heres a little history ..... me mother was religion daft -one of the reasons i hated her -strong words but true - its a saying nowt more nowt else ShockedShockedShocked
Report leif May 27, 2021 11:03 PM BST
he supports tobymug at evry opportunity so is clearly on the wind up

nope. anything better. or less pathetic numbnuts?
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 11:05 PM BST
LaughLaughLaugh

the bite will do
Report Tiger Tiger May 27, 2021 11:06 PM BST
Laugh
Report leif May 27, 2021 11:08 PM BST
like one of those cookie-cutter sharks you smirnoff

bite at a time every night 365 a year Sad
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 11:08 PM BST
10-4 mayfair LaughLaughLaugh
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 11:10 PM BST
tiger whats a cookie cutter GrinGrinGrin
Report Tiger Tiger May 27, 2021 11:15 PM BST
Happy

You have leif in the keep net shearer, don't be too hard on him as there maybe a decent sort in there somewhere, maybe!
Report smirnoff2therescue May 27, 2021 11:20 PM BST
i will giv him a bit simple minds then im off to me scratcher LoveLoveLovehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vhhTvcLoRw
Report Tiger Tiger May 27, 2021 11:22 PM BST
Cracking tune.
Report GEORGE.B May 27, 2021 11:26 PM BST
But George, surely there have our best interests at heart and that is why they want us all jabbed.

Well either that or make the Vaccine Passports / ID Cards / Freedom Passes, viable.
Report GEORGE.B May 27, 2021 11:26 PM BST
* they have
Report GEORGE.B May 27, 2021 11:42 PM BST
I've been reading about this ADE, Antibody Dependency Enhancement.

Don't worry, it's only a "conspiracy theory", mooted by the same Drs & Profs who wrote to the European regulator in February warning about the potential of these artificially induced spike proteins to cause blood clots (RARE blood clots that is, as we KEEP being told).

Anyway, those poor ferrets in the SARS Cov 1 trials. Once they came into contact with the real virus it was curtains. RIP.
Report leif May 27, 2021 11:52 PM BST
There should not be a situation whereby spike proteins are introduced. Studies have shown that.

It's mad science full stop.
Report GEORGE.B May 27, 2021 11:59 PM BST
Dear Sir Graham,
Firstly I wish to thank you again for your ongoing hard work in arguing for a more proportionate response to dealing with COVID-19.  The concerns I wish to raise with you today relate to the vaccination program and the proposition of vaccination certificates.
As you know I am a GP. I am horrified by the talk of ‘No Jab, No Job’ policies and vaccination certificates.
The GMC are very clear that “all patients have the right to be involved in decisions about their treatment and care” and that “doctors must be satisfied that they have a patient’s consent… before providing treatment or care”. They also state “doctors must… share relevant information about the benefits and harms of proposed options and reasonable alternatives, including the option to take no action”.
Following interim analysis of the ongoing clinical trials, emergency use authorisation has been granted by the MHRA for both the Pfizer BioNTech and the AstraZeneca vaccines. They are as yet unlicensed. The clinical trials are due to continue until 2023. I find it alarming that much attention is paid to the headline figures of relative risk reduction (RRR) with no mention of the absolute risk reduction (ARR). The RRR of the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine is 95.1% (CI 90.0%-97.6%, p=0.016). Dig a little deeper into the data and you learn that the ARR is only 0.7% (CI 0.59%-0.83%, p
Report casemoney May 28, 2021 1:29 AM BST
Were 1000 plus dying a day we are down to less than 10 a day , why is that Lief ? Me I would say it was the vaccine working .
Report Movewiththetimes May 28, 2021 1:48 AM BST
Average age still 82.4, can't be many left for this deadly virus Crazy Vaccine Wink
Report GEORGE.B May 28, 2021 2:00 AM BST
Last year,according to government data, covid deaths peaked on April 8th.

On June 30th last year, with no vaccine, 12 covid deaths were recorded.
On this basis, cases were going to fall anyway as the summer progressed towards summer.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinjune2020

So the big question is, what is going to happen next respiratory disease season? The government predicts those who have been jabbed twice will be most at risk:

This is what the government's own modelling predicts:

This shows that most deaths and admissions in a post-Roadmap resurgence are in
people who have received two vaccine doses
, even without vaccine protection
waning or a variant emerging that escapes vaccines. This is because vaccine uptake
has been so high in the oldest age groups (modelled here at 95% in the over 50-year olds).
There are therefore 5% of over 50-year olds who have not been vaccinated, and 95% x
10% = 9.5% of over 50-year olds who are vaccinated but, nevertheless, not protected
against death. This is not the result of vaccines being ineffective, merely uptake
being so high


page 18:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system
/uploads/attachment_data/file/975909/S1182_SPI-M-O_Summary_of_
modelling_of_easing_roadmap_step_2_restrictions.pdf
Report GEORGE.B May 28, 2021 2:06 AM BST
* as the year progresses towards summer

* Not necessarily "most at risk", but because they are in the majority, at least that is what the document claims / predicts.
Report Tiger Tiger May 28, 2021 4:40 AM BST
ffs just up to go to the fields and this is the last thread on the forum, ffs.

You do a great job on the comps forum George B, but by fck you and leif are the most boring aresoles in history of the forum, that's the best way I can put it.
Report Fruiterie May 28, 2021 8:33 AM BST
I am amazed how some can even imagine this is all some kind of conspiracy. Just try to work out how many people would have to be involved, it runs into thousands....and you really think this many people could keep a secret when 2 knowing a secret generally means the secret's out?

As for what vaccine does what, the numbers quoted to 'prove' AZ is bad don't bear close scrutiny. Let's leave out that this is an unprecedented situation in that there has never been a global response the way we are presently experiencing. Billions of vaccines being manufactured, shipped and given to billions of people...

From Yellow Card

So far 23.3 million AZ first dose with 786 fatalities (1 in 30,000 approx)
So far 11.4 million Pfizer first dose with 374 fatalities (1 in 38,000 approx)
So far 0.1 million Moderna first dose with 7 fatalities (1 in 14,000 approx)although this sample may be too small so is suspect.

Add both doses and the picture is as follows:

So far 30.8 million AZ total doses with 786 fatalities (1 in 39,000 approx)
So far 20.1 million Pfizer total doses with 374 fatalities (1 in 54,000 approx)
So far 0.1 million Moderna total doses with 7 fatalities (1 in 14,000 approx)although this sample may be too small so is suspect.

Long Covid is where we should be focussed now. Reports are this number is rising rapidly.I won't suffer the long term impact as I'm well into my 60s so I'm unlikely to be around 25 years from now when all the present younger generation need greater levels of healthcare with the commensurate costs. Add in the backlog of patients requiring operations (estimated at a minimum 10 years to clear under the present healthcare system) and we have a fuse that will explode over decades to come. I crunched some macro numbers and estimate the tax bill to provide care and relief will add at least 10p to the tax bill just for the long term Covid as things stand. Add in the increased costs of catch up and I'm afraid you younger people will have to get used to 33%-40% tax rates as the norm.

Vaccines are the way forward, whether you ant to run away from the risks or not.

Just my ten penneth worth.

(and yes, I've had both jabs, AZ)
Report brians May 28, 2021 8:47 AM BST
The vaccine is working brilliantly,  the logic on here is mindboggling.  Everything in life comes with risks, its a matter of choosing which risks to take. The vaccine may be bad for a very few but saves millions.
Millions of people get in a car every day, some will die in a car crash, the logic on here is never get in a car. But its worse than that, vaccines work better when everyone has had them, thats how we eradicated smallpox.
No doubt a few died from that vaccine but in the end it saved millions.
Report GEORGE.B May 28, 2021 8:48 AM BST
* There have been ...
Report GEORGE.B May 28, 2021 8:55 AM BST
Last year up until the end of December, NHS data showed around 388 people aged under 60 who had no other underlying conditions died with or of covid, or at least had a positive test, 338 of these were aged between 40 and 59.

That's right brians, it's working so well that it's saving millions of healthy people from a disease that they would survive anyway, while killing some who were at next to zero chance of dying from covid.
Report Manoleeds May 28, 2021 9:01 AM BST
I can't help but notice that a lot of the vaxxed say "I've had mine, you should have yours" . To me it comes across as "I'm a bit worried that something might go wrong down the line and I want you to be in the same boat as me."
Report broadsword May 28, 2021 9:42 AM BST
yep mano ive noticed that too. a lot of back slapping amongst the jabbed.....it for reassurance.
Report Facts May 28, 2021 9:56 AM BST
https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online
Report Facts May 28, 2021 10:00 AM BST
wondersobright    27 May 21 19:46 
750k+ severe adverse reactions reported by yellow card scheme in the UK
1100+ deaths
10-fold under-reported
clinical trials for this don't end until 2023
thanks but no thank



' statistics ' reported by UK Column are global numbers
Report ericster May 28, 2021 10:43 AM BST
Well? Fwiw:
I had the first jab (AZ) way back in feb and in the third week after it I had some pretty awful side-effects. At least, I assume they were AZ side-effects.

For or five days of real pounding headaches (I don't [have] headaches).
On two occasions I experienced bright colours in front of my eyes and was unable to focus for just a few minutes.
And then, the most scary of all, the brain-fog.
I was in here typing a comment about dogs being stolen and was about to type the words "wire haired". Suddenly I couldn't for the life of me think how to spell those two words. Never mind I thought, just spell them any old how, spell-check will put it right. I couldn't think what the second letter of "wire" was. Then I wasn't sure that the "w" was right. I was stunned, terror-stricken, caught like a rabbit in headlights, didn't know what to do and so I cancelled the post and went and sat in an easy chair.

I came back later, opened the thread and typed out "wired hair" which I corrected and then posted the comment.

ConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfusedConfused

Now: We're told that if you're worried or concerned about the vaccines to talk to your GP, not possible, my lot tell me to phone 119.
Try looking on the website, yeah right.

I'm due for my second jab and haven't been called yet. I keeping checking for local jab-centre, when I see one I shall book an appt and go.
How bad can death by blood-clot be?
Blindness is a worry of course.

No BS here, true story.
Report GLASGOWCALLING May 28, 2021 10:50 AM BST
Lets hope those refusing the jab arent expecting any treatment after contracting it. ??
Report GEORGE.B May 28, 2021 10:53 AM BST
Facts28 May 21 08:56
https://www.britannica.com/list/the-top-covid-19-vaccine-myths-spreading-online



Whenever I see a "fact chacker" link, the first thing I do is to check for who are the funders, is there a link to the Gates foundation?

The article that "FACTS" has posted:

WRITTEN BY
HealthGuard
HealthGuard, a product of NewsGuard

Who funds NewsGuard?

NewsGuard Technologies was founded in 2018 by Steven Brill and L. Gordon Crovitz, who serve as co-CEOs. Investors include the Knight Foundation and Publicis. The NewsGuard extension is installed in browsers and warns users when they view content from what it considers fake news websites.

Who are the Knight Foundation?

Both Knight and Gates Foundation share a belief in the power of informed and engaged communities for many reasons

https://knightfoundation.org/articles/gates-knight-fund-new-project-improve-measuring-media-impact/

Hey "FACTS", who's checking the "fact checkers", eh?
Report dustybin May 28, 2021 11:08 AM BST
Ericster.

Phone your doctor, explain the concern about potential blood clot, the receptionist will text you a link to your mobile with a few questions, send it back answered.
Within a couple of hours you will be called back by the receptionist informing you of the local blood centre which is a drive through.
Go the next day, have a blood sample taken, they then analyse it within a few days, if there’s a dangerously low platelet count you will be called in, if not you won’t hear from them.

In the meantime, drink plenty of liquid and if the headaches arn’t shifted by normal paracetamol phone back and book an appointment anyway.

If you read the accounts of the distinct minority who have unfortunately got a clot as a result they became dizzy and/or felt nauseous along with severe headaches and regressed rapidly.
In short, you know when you have one I believe.
Report Hayden May 28, 2021 11:15 AM BST
Feel thankful to have received the Pfizer , even more so after reading this lot.


Good luck all
Report ericster May 28, 2021 11:21 AM BST
dusty, phone MY doctor?
Isn't going happen.
Awful rottweiler of a receptionist and I really don't think my lot have time for that.
After years of being actively, no [aggressively] being put off asking for an appointment, you just don't.

The new "normal".Sad

Hayden I don't think any of them are totally without risk but you probably got the safest one. And it's more effective I believe.
Report ericster May 28, 2021 11:25 AM BST
I DID actually phone and ask but first, as I said, you have to be interrogated by the rotty.
Had those symptoms totally gone now? She questioned.
"Yes", I answered.
"Well there you are then. You're okay."
She's so clever, our receptionist.LoveScared
Report Facts May 28, 2021 11:58 AM BST
Re the numbers quoted by Column UK.
How valid are they, ? What's is the source?
Attributes deaths to the vaccine. How do we know this ?
Is every person dying who has had a jab, receiving an autopsy ?

How many people die of blood clots ' naturally ' ?
Report GEORGE.B May 28, 2021 12:15 PM BST
The source is the HM Government

https://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/datasummary

Click on the link at the bottom and it takes you to each data set.

All UK Column has done is to take the data and put it into a database that is user-friendly eg sort by specific adverse conditions for any one or all of the vaccine suppliers.
Report MJK May 28, 2021 12:19 PM BST

May 28, 2021 -- 3:01AM, Manoleeds wrote:


I can't help but notice that a lot of the vaxxed say "I've had mine, you should have yours" . To me it comes across as "I'm a bit worried that something might go wrong down the line and I want you to be in the same boat as me."


All you've done is flipped my earlier point. The difference is that those of us unvaccinated or in the process of hope everyone does it for everyone's safety but if they dont that's their choice. Those who dont want it and spout the conspiracy theories do it solely, as I said yesterday,  to put themselves at ease by trying to scare others into not getting it. They dont care less about their safety. If they did they would just accept it and move on instead of being angry at people who get the vaccine.

Report wondersobright May 28, 2021 12:54 PM BST

May 28, 2021 -- 4:00AM, Facts wrote:


wondersobright

Report wondersobright May 28, 2021 12:55 PM BST
Facts • May 28, 2021 10:00 AM BST
' statistics ' reported by UK Column are global numbers


wrong, it is UK jab data only
Report wondersobright May 28, 2021 12:55 PM BST

May 28, 2021 -- 6:15AM, GEORGE.B wrote:


The source is the HM Governmenthttps://coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/datasummaryClick on the link at the bottom and it takes you to each data set.All UK Column has done is to take the data and put it into a database that is user-friendly eg sort by specific adverse conditions for any one or all of the vaccine suppliers.


correct

Report swiftynifty May 28, 2021 1:19 PM BST
wonders, so are you predicting another autumn/winter wave with another 50,000 deaths?
Report wondersobright May 28, 2021 1:25 PM BST
I'm not putting numbers on it but we'll see the usual winter spike in deaths imo + additional deaths relating to the jabs & due to the likely lockdown that will be imposed again
Report RothmanMike May 28, 2021 1:45 PM BST
AstraZeneca x2 for me, and still here.
If Prof Sarah Gilbert says it’s safe , that’s good enough for me Plain
Report MJK May 28, 2021 2:21 PM BST

May 28, 2021 -- 7:25AM, wondersobright wrote:


I'm not putting numbers on it but we'll see the usual winter spike in deaths imo + additional deaths relating to the jabs & due to the likely lockdown that will be imposed again


Of course you're conveniently forgetting that flu deaths are now way down due to masks/lockdown but you're still gonna claim the 'usual' death toll due to that, and not Covid.

Report casemoney May 28, 2021 2:52 PM BST
"Average age still 82.4, can't be many left for this deadly virus"

Not many over 80s in India Move, still plenty Dying .

Other than slightly sore arm no reaction to 2nd VAX Grin
Report Deptford May 28, 2021 6:54 PM BST
case, sore arm is due to watching too much x hamster.com
Report Movewiththetimes May 28, 2021 7:32 PM BST
Case - India 27,718,520 cases 322,264 deaths (1%) with a poor health system, deadly? Spanish flu 25%(Actual) to 50%(esitmates) deaths
Report Movewiththetimes May 28, 2021 7:35 PM BST
I wouldn't call over 10 million over 80s in India not many case.
Report General Midwinter May 28, 2021 7:37 PM BST
The place I come for all my vaccine info - a small horse racing forum on the interwebs.
Report Movewiththetimes May 28, 2021 7:40 PM BST
But you did Laugh
Report General Midwinter May 28, 2021 8:03 PM BST
Nope, already had both AZ jabs.

For the record - horrible side effects from jab 1. I don't think I've ever shaken quite that violently, felt like sh1t for three days. Jab 2 - five hours in -'here we go again' then 10 minutes later I felt fine.
Report Movewiththetimes May 28, 2021 8:20 PM BST
I just want to get on with my life, done everything they advised for nearly 18 months, even booked uk holiday again this year but now they saying June 21st might not go ahead and if you had both jabs and come into contact you still got to self isolate CryCryCry
Report General Midwinter May 28, 2021 8:48 PM BST
I know - booked for France in September thinking 'it can't possibly go on that long' still a sweat though.
Report Movewiththetimes May 28, 2021 8:50 PM BST
hope you're right Excited
Report glentoby May 28, 2021 8:51 PM BST
Apart from never having heard of the woman you mention lief,I mentioned this to my OH.Her reply was scathing to say the least about the UK in particular.Quite simply she states that just because someone dies from a blood clot following ANY of the vaccines does not mean it was caused by the vaccine,she also say's "If this was not a media person" would it require an inquest?

She really is angry that the percentage of people dying worldwide from blood clots is hardly out of sync with the norm and yet scare stories like this are discouraging people from taking a vaccination.As she says.even if it were a risk it is no more than contracting the virus in any of the variants and dying from it.

Bear in mind she lost her sister and niece very early on,both medics,both young and fit and healthy,in her opinion and I agree,we all owe it to everyone a.To avoid spreading the virus B.to take the vaccinations regardless of any tiny risk,little different to the Flu vaccines?
Report N-east Correspondent May 28, 2021 9:03 PM BST
Pretty much agree with most of that Glen apart from why she is scathing of UK? It was the EU (ok Germany and France who first put doubts in peoples minds and banned the use of it) followed by the likes of Italy, Spain, Canada, Denmark etc. Glasgow the only area in Scotland still without indoor mixing/alcohol indoors has a near 50% no show on vaccines and rates are going up, even though people are being pleaded with to take it up, as you say there are
dangers in all vaccines and blood clots occur naturally with or without astra but the scare stories are mainly elsewhere and likely political.
Report spyker May 28, 2021 11:54 PM BST
I presume all the people that are anti covid vaccine also don't take any medication of any kind ever? If not you are being pretty fecking naive as almost every single drug has side effects that can produce death in about 100,000 - almost certainly 50,000 but 100k is fair enough.- from aspirin to whatever whatever - I don't even need to prove it it's so well known!
I fact the fact they know certain vaccine may cause issues in a certain demographic arguably makes it much safer than any other drug that millions take and a few will die from every day.
Report smirnoff2therescue May 29, 2021 12:25 AM BST
as Freddie used to say CryCrySadSad

Is this the world we created


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wllXY322K7Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riwDo7_GxjM

two classic versions of .......... fookin stupidity CryCryCry
Report Facts May 29, 2021 2:27 AM BST
Movewiththetimes    28 May 21 18:32 
Case - India 27,718,520 cases 322,264 deaths (1%) with a poor health system, deadly? Spanish flu 25%(Actual) to 50%(esitmates) deaths


Deaths from the virus in India is way understated. Could be 5 times the ' official ' number.
Untold numbers dying at home and been cremated or put into the river.
Report Deptford May 29, 2021 9:33 AM BST
Yep ^, its a personal choice, not for me thanks.
Report GEORGE.B May 29, 2021 12:16 PM BST
Indeed, Deptford.

Unfortunately, it would appear that I've been CENSORED and my post has been removed.

For those of you who did not get the chance to read it, you can rest assured that it contained many words of wisdom.

Well, as the Thought Police are after me, it's time for me to depart the scene.
Report wondersobright May 29, 2021 1:06 PM BST
not just you george...multiple posts removed
Report wondersobright May 29, 2021 1:07 PM BST
the modern day book burning
Report ericster May 29, 2021 1:13 PM BST
Shocked
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