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For tomorrow's grand national.
I'll go 164%
I'll go 164%
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170%
It will be blamed on the death of Prince Philip Von De Recker of Schloss Adler.
It will be blamed on the death of Prince Philip Von De Recker of Schloss Adler.
The on-course bookies won't be there so it will be far lower. 150% at most and maybe lower if they are trying to make a point about the new system.
I'd say 165-175 %, absolute thievery, same every year.
Probably be in the high 150's but the front end runners will get the Flymo treatment
They need to justify being able to set their own SPs, and while the topic is in the news and they will be in the spotlight they will have to be careful. I'd go low, 138%.
Shirley it will be sub 150% now that Rusty is in charge! 
Exactly the same as the nonsense the on course lot have produced every year since the start of time?
It's certain to be lower than normal. In the last five runnings there's only been four horses started 100/1 and none bigger than that. I would think there will be at least four or five tomorrow.
Having been to a few Nationals I can understand why the market works as it does. Most bookmakers will have a queue of twenty or thirty punters until probably a few minutes before the off. Very few punters will change queues if they see the price of their fancy drop before they get on as they know they just have to join another queue and the same thing may well happen. A lot of them have little idea what the price is anyway and many have forgotten what they wanted to back, how much they wanted on and where they put their money by the time they get as far as the bookie. Why should any book knock out the price of any horse in these circumstances? They will only shorten the ones when they see red on the screen and who can blame them?
Having been to a few Nationals I can understand why the market works as it does. Most bookmakers will have a queue of twenty or thirty punters until probably a few minutes before the off. Very few punters will change queues if they see the price of their fancy drop before they get on as they know they just have to join another queue and the same thing may well happen. A lot of them have little idea what the price is anyway and many have forgotten what they wanted to back, how much they wanted on and where they put their money by the time they get as far as the bookie. Why should any book knock out the price of any horse in these circumstances? They will only shorten the ones when they see red on the screen and who can blame them?
Recent years as below. I expect tomorrow's will be below these.
2019 163%
2018 153%
2017 154%
2016 149%
2015 165%
2014 151%
2013 148%
2012 152%
2011 155%
2010 155%
2019 163%
2018 153%
2017 154%
2016 149%
2015 165%
2014 151%
2013 148%
2012 152%
2011 155%
2010 155%
The winner is ... @Jumping-cuckoo-monk who predicted 147%.
According to the Racing Post, the answer was 146%. This is the lowest in at least a decade and a spit in the eye for the oncourse books who want to revert to the old system.
According to the Racing Post, the answer was 146%. This is the lowest in at least a decade and a spit in the eye for the oncourse books who want to revert to the old system.
yes today the over round was less than in past years a good job done by the online firms so ramruma the last 6 months can now be erased. .
sharp minds on here
sharp minds on here
hello swaddle hope your well
long term the new system is a big chance for the on course to get there finger out and get the right punters back on course,not sure it will happen but its almost the last chance,the betting shop and online from now on in are a big price to make it pay.
long term the new system is a big chance for the on course to get there finger out and get the right punters back on course,not sure it will happen but its almost the last chance,the betting shop and online from now on in are a big price to make it pay.
Yeah Jim im well hope you are too.
Ive just decided its swings and roundabouts...
One thing positive about the on course lot...if you get a race where the first 2 in the market suppoedsly make up more than 100% of the SP that is a complete farce, on course, in the ring look around and as a minimum youd get Inverse pricing...ie one book 4/7 another 7/4 on the opposite which is better. Rather than the nonsense we have been seeing, IE 4/5 beats 10/11 , plus a few rags.
Ive just decided its swings and roundabouts...
One thing positive about the on course lot...if you get a race where the first 2 in the market suppoedsly make up more than 100% of the SP that is a complete farce, on course, in the ring look around and as a minimum youd get Inverse pricing...ie one book 4/7 another 7/4 on the opposite which is better. Rather than the nonsense we have been seeing, IE 4/5 beats 10/11 , plus a few rags.
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