Four Dead - President Trump

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1?r=US&IR=T

Some among America's military allies believe Trump deliberately attempted a coup and may have had help from federal law-enforcement officials

    Multiple European security officials told Insider that President Donald Trump appeared to have tacit support among US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex in Wednesday's coup attempt.
    Insider is reporting this information because it illustrates the serious repercussions of Wednesday's events: Even if they are mistaken, some among America's international military allies are now willing to give credence to the idea that Trump deliberately tried to violently overturn an election and had help from some federal law-enforcement agents.
    "We train alongside the US federal law enforcement to handle these very matters, and it's obvious that large parts of any successful plan were just ignored," one source told us.
    Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.

The supporters of President Donald Trump who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday to stop the ratification of President-elect Joe Biden's election victory were attempting a violent coup that multiple European security officials said appeared to have at least tacit support from aspects of the US federal agencies responsible for securing the Capitol complex.

Insider spoke with three officials on Thursday morning: a French police official responsible for public security in a key section of central Paris, and two intelligence officials from NATO countries who directly work in counterterrorism and counterintelligence operations involving the US, terrorism, and Russia.

They said the circumstantial evidence available pointed to what would be openly called a coup attempt in any other nation. None were willing to speak on the record because of the dire nature of the subject.

Dave, someone, a real person, made the decision about how many police officers were on duty at Capitol Building on that day. It is not rocket science. It will be one record. I don't want to know what people all around the world think I want to know who made that decision and why.

Until evidence steps forward I believe the Democrats were behind it because they want to impeach Trump. Possibly to try to disgrace him to his followers and possibly to prevent him from running in 4 years time against their then president. This never happened by accident it was a planned move. It may have been bad planning but it was planned.

Until evidence steps forward I believe the Democrats were behind it


I'd fkin hate to have you on my jury

And actually with that statement you have shown yourself worthless of any discussion and I won't do so again. Enjoy your delusional life.

Poor old Dave, pretty much the same as most on the left. Say absolutely nothing when it comes to their "team" having riots, looting, murdering, causing untold misery to innocent business owners and communities. Yet when it is the opposite "team", the hate and condemnation comes out in droves. Anyone questions what the difference is between the two just gets the childish "whataboutery" response (as the questions are not allowed to be asked), but there is still no condemnation of the riots by his "team". I expect he even donated to Kamalas fund to free the ones that were arrested to get them back out on bail, so they could create even more misery to innocent people.

Whataboutery

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.[1][2][3]

Whataboutism is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda.[4][5][6] When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about ..." followed by instancing of an event or situation in the Western world.[7][8][9] According to Russian writer, chess grandmaster and political activist Garry Kasparov, it is a word that was coined to describe the frequent use of a rhetorical diversion by Soviet apologists and dictators, who would counter charges of their oppression, "massacres, gulags, and forced deportations" by invoking American slavery, racism, lynchings, etc.[10] Whataboutism has been used by other politicians and countries as well.

What is it with you Dave? You can blame Trump who gains absolutely nothing from storming Capitol building and all it does is takes the emphasis away from his point then if I blame the Democrats, who can only gain from the storming of Capitol building and you throw your toys out of the pram?

You are worse than the left wing media.
So people  breaking the law , is Trumps fault. It's time people started taking responsibility for their own actions. And why are you posting political crap on here. Go  and post on The Guardian chatroom

^irony man itt

in fact it is so good, it should be the first example in the grammar book section titled "Irony".

trump stokes angry mob

angry mob storms building

its a plan to discredit trump

Can you imagine the furore if instead of the female veteran that was shot dead it had been a vicious criminal like that George ? fellow whose death albeit accidental or not caused such mayhem in the summer.

It was mostly peaceful protests until Antifa & BLM showed up.

https://bit.ly/2LBARwX

she may have been a veteran, but she died a traitor thanks to trump.

I think we can safely say that Dave happily condones the violence, murders, looting, burning down of businesses and cities from the left (as do most of the left, going by the media and posts on here). Also it is just simply known to them as plain old activism - and then if (big if) it is actually reported they just blame the right or anyone else for that violence, then rinse and repeat. Yet, when it is any other group doing anything close to that of the left they are known as a rioters, vandals and terrorists.

Can you produce any evidence of me saying that?

You seem to be very angry in this thread making unsubstantiated allegations. Are you upset that trump's coup failed?

and everything that you support is collapsing

Eight months of rioting and looting and the Democrats and the media saw nothing to worry about a peaceful protest is infiltrated by Antifa resulting in an unarmed women protester being shot / murdered through a barricaded window/door  and the media and the demented Democrats go into overdrive , the police leaders are forced to resign and DC is put into lockdown. As of yet  no one has been  charged / brought to justice  for three months of  Portland riots or any other riot come to that and  yet a most wanted list is issued for the congress protest the following morning . RIP America

There is no point trying to convince a die hard leftie.  It is like trying to teach a pig to sing, it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Wooooow this has gone too far now...

New England Patriots to change name

The New England Patriots football team plan to change their name after the events in the nation’s Capitol this week, the team has said.

Going forward they will be known as the New England football team.

Ex US President Donald Trump denounced the move, tweeting it was "cancel culture at work!"

"We believe our organisation is at its best when we can unify our community," franchise owner Robert Kraft said in a statement on Friday morning.

Full Story here:

https://bit.ly/3omscNz

The New England Patriots football team plan to change their name after the events in the nation’s Capitol this week, the team has said.

Going forward they will be known as the New England football team.

A very stupid move as this will upset a lot of fans, they will pay for this at the ticket box.

carrot1960 she was a traitor shot by legal authorities holding the line to protect elected representatives and their families.

^^cancel culture itt

Imagine how many more deaths would have occurred had the security forces turned up in the same numbers and treated the rioters with same aggressiveness as they did the BLM in the summer.

Fact Check - Shot by oath breakers....not legal authorities.

Military funeral with full Honors for the brave Patriot.

Amen

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08 Jan 21 15:29
It was mostly peaceful protests until Antifa & BLM showed up.

https://bit.ly/2LBARwX


This will be all over the mainstream news, expect it already is.

The far right president of the USA incites his followers,a mob of far right neo nazi,white supremeist,QAnon conspiracy
nut jobs to attack the centre of  democracy in their country to overturn the fair and honest  election result,as stated by every high office in the country.Then two days later condemns them as heinous criminals and thugs who will face the full force of the law.

Then on a betting forum, people with far right views and opinions blame the left

Mwnn

Then on a betting forum, people with far right views and opinions blame the left

The problem with the left is they want to recreate a system that in the past led to the death of millions and they say anyone who does not want to follow them in this insanity is "Far Right".

you are utterly demented if you think that most of the ppl you claim are "lefties", particularly in the US, are anything other than left centre moderate. It is stunningly obvious who is the main threat to "millions".

trump's base, as was obvious this week, is mainly poorly educated white people. I wonder how many of them there are in this thread?

Got to love how any single person who doesn't think the same as this mwnn character is automatically a far right, neo nazi, white supremacist, qanon nutjob. Then labels anyone who says anything he doesn't agree with has "far right" views. He will probably also be wondering why there is such a divide in society (and blame the far right Trump), when anyone with a different view cannot even have any type of voice or debate with people like himself/herself, as he/she is incapable of listening to others due to the "I am always right" thinking.

People like him/her have made the words Nazi, Fascist and Racists pretty meaningless nowadays, so congratulations on that achievement.

Fact Check - Enrique Tarrio is a black Cuban. He is not a white supremacist.

Trump supporter does not mean you’re this and that....

MAYBE IF YOURE A DEMON RAT!

Lol

Sorry my bad...calm down ELG...calm down...Charlie Todd didn’t mean to ruin your day...it’s Friday...go work out and make yourself a nice meal after.

trump's base, as was obvious this week, is mainly poorly educated white people. I wonder how many of them there are in this thread?


How can that be true? I thought the poorly educated people of the US were exactly the people Biden went after, they are all the disadvantaged people aren't they? Or are you saying the BLM narrative of black people being unfairly treated from education, jobs, murders and all the way to prison is all lies, and they really are the well educated people? I didn't think all those BLM rioters, looters, murderers and violent people came across as very well educated to be fair.

I'm saying that trumps base is mainly poorly educated white people

Can't you read?

trumps been told to be a good boy or else

new leader required for the proud boys , or as they are known in the uk immature racists

grown men playing soldiers not many with the balls to go see proper action tho i imagine

tho nice being a soldier a few times a year  long as they get home for dinner

who turns up at peaceful rallies in flack jackets with rifles

thankk christ its all over , biden will heal america and re ignite climate focus a great day for the world

74 million uneducated white people in the US. Walops. Some people are kidding themselves.

If the press and media hadn't been so against because he challenged their 'fake news' Trump would have won by an absolute landslide.

There are people who believe the tripe printed, many are on here.

Ok Dave, on that basis then Bidens base is uneducated thick black people who are rioters, looters and extremely violent people, just going by the last 6 months.

I never understood why if you’re upset about the police you would burn down your homes, schools and businesses.

I guess Biden is the greatest of all time...I mean this guy——->

https://youtu.be/7qZ9P5ubU7I

Got more votes than Obama!

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Also...and hopefully the Biden fanboys can answer this for me...

I still don’t get why y’all made the frogs gay.

That’s just wrong on so many levels.

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i would say bidens base is decent american people who realise peace and economic stability go hand in hand

and the thought of a narcassistic ego with a hand on the button was too much to bare , for them and most of free world

tho it shocked me the amount of support he had tbh will take a while to adress that

Magic..this mwnn character is as much a character as your good self is.. on a computer screen.Ones opinions on
left and right in politics, are purely subjective.where would you say the Democrats stand in regard to the British
conservative party ?.If you were to judge the the public goods delivered by both parties in the states, ie state health care,
free education,welfare provision.You could make the case that the democrats are at least to the right as the conservative s in this country.The USA is a conservative country,which is full of free market fundamentalists,it really is winner take all.

Nothing good ever comes from the extremes,left or right....When the centre doesn't hold things fall apart.

was that **** or elliot?

ffs you can't even metion poets cos of newsboy's thin skin

East. Wake up.  Biden didn't win that many votes, Trump lost them. There is a massive difference. If it wasn't for the press and media Biden would have won phuk all. But you can't blame the press just because Trump says you cannot believe what they write, can you?
We all believe what the press write and the media tell us, don't we? Or are we the same as Trump?

Brigust do you think you have any credibility left given your lies? You claim to support Brexit despite being a land owner in France and then seek advice on here regarding such whilst claiming to be in France whilst asking and a few posts later stating you were in England and anyone who voted remain was an idiot?

For many years I respected your opinions on racing,I have no idea what has gone wrong including your support of Andre' In Swindon?

That apart,as you know I am non political and rarely get involved,fact is Trump called the tune and his admin were responsible for security around Washington,HE is the PIPER who played the tune so look no further IMVHO as someone who spent over 3 years working with American Law Enforcement at Federal level?

I don't get your point Glen. I own a property in France, what is wrong with that? I would also like to own a property in Florida but will have to wait until this mess is over.
Do you think the French would vote to stay in the EU if they had a referendum? Those I speak to would vote leave so I don't get your point.
And your problem with Andrew is silly.

Personally I don't like Trump but I do believe in fair play because the day may come when I am at the wrong end of it. And I don't think the way the media and the press have treated either Brexit of Trump. Fortunately I won off Brexit but that was because the press didn't really like Cameron and Osbourne. If they had known Leave would win, their approach would have been the same as the press have treated Trump, but they found out too late. The press and media threw everything they could at stopping Brexit but they failed then sadly they threw everything at Trump and won so they will continue to think they are the king makers.

My point(S) Brig is you have failed to answer my questions in my last post as has Andrew consistently when challenging him on simple facts?

I may have have been at times under an influence of Brandy etc,the past 14 months morphia etc when posting on here but as far as I know never told a lie despite trolls trying to disredit me,none have yet pointed out a lie.

Maybe you did not post an intentional lie but unfortunately for you if I was a prosecutor or a DA in American parlance you would be looking for either a public defender or selling your land in France to employ a defence lawyer on here?

I know you are unwell Glen, and that may be an understatement but I think you are going at it from the wrong direction. I don't, won't fall out with you on here or anywhere and I wish you well. Take care and be good.

dave1357, she was shot through a frosted window in a door that was barricaded from the inside if you think she was a threat to elected officials you need sectioning.

Yes trying to break that barricade. The official charged with protecting elected representatives and their families shot her for that reason. Those with her were lucky not to get shot as well.

As many have found out in the USA if you ignore law enforcement officers with guns, you will be shot.

FFS have any of you apologists ever had to guard anything? I agree with many on here regarding cause and effect and include Dave on his take on shooting.


If you wish (The Management troll included) I will photograph my rules of engagement and post them on here when working with US Law enforcement for over 3 years?

It is amazing how few casualties there were given the circumstances,shot through a FROSTED window carrot?

One of my cards says "Fire single,well aimed shots" after firing a warning shot in the air,would I have done that,would I bollox!!!!

Good luck to Taiwan and Hong Kong...when the G**ks show up no one will be sending any help :(

On the plus side maybe we might see Golden60 over here. Hmmm I wonder....Joe Moreira or Zac Purton riding for Coolmore?

Whatever any of you think and entitled to your opinion,Magic Daps has posted the most accurate and reasonable arguments I have seen on any of the political threads on this Horse Racing ForuM!!!

Not much of a recommendation as you're a total headbanger.

Maybe so Sofia but at least I have the T shirt and documentation!!! HTH

How many buildings were  Torched and Shops robbed any figures ?

Did any lorry drivers have there heads bricked while they were kneeling on the floor in a pool of blood ?

Not many according to my cousin casemoney,nor have I seen much on world news about such.He lives in Indiana but was in Seattle when it was rumoured things were going to be "Testy" in his words.

He did say that only a short drive e.g 15 minutes would take you into the "Projects" where mostly black and Latino's live,those he said were cut off by Law Enforcement from going toward the Capitol but no big protest to get out.

China tweet on the Uygurs...baby making machines

Lol it’s started....

Better start learning Mandalorian or whatever it is they speak over there.

As an aside casemoney,he went "South" for a short vacation last year and saw Marco riding work,he had hoped to see him riding in a race but unfortunately neither he or Marco got the chance.Told him earlier about the ban Marco got and all he said was "Maybe the kid will learn something,if he did that here it would have been a big fine and a longer ban"

Tried to explain about the totting up rule and that imo his "Offence" was pretty minor,he dismissed that saying the only worse offence on US tracks was pulling a fancied horse.Horses for courses I suppose but given how they use the whip even in low purse races with impunity I suppose I will have to agree to disagree with him about rules.

pelosi ...unhinged president

biden..worst president in history

most people ....thank fk he is history

goin at 100 mph to cage him , impeach him or 25 him

all because of the media

FFs a US officer was under fire last year for using too much force on a well known black criminal who died in the struggle. Not shot dead. Yet now we have a young woman shot dead through a door by a US officer with a single shot and that is OK? Where is the double standard?
I am not an apologist if life is in acute danger then defence must be used but shooting someone dead with a single shot, not a warning shot was not life in danger stuff.

Well you are repeating the media, Hello. Where the fk do you get your news? Alice in wonderland?

just had his twitter account suspended lol

its not , its fact spoken by real people tho yes reported by media , i had to use sky as i couldnt be there in person tonight sadly

ongoing discussions with millitary leaders to try remove him from the codes and buttons , im puzzled by fact you cant see he is a bit insane

will be surprised if Biden can accurately point out the hands on a clock this time next year.

fear not , kamilla is there

I like the way brigust states that George Floyd died in the struggle rather than stating he was choked to death by someone who by all accounts should not have been a serving police officer due to numerous complaints against him.

Kamilla is his handler 1.01

fife 09 Jan 21 01:24 
I like the way brigust states that George Floyd died in the struggle rather than stating he was choked to death by someone who by all accounts should not have been a serving police officer due to numerous complaints against him.

actually quite incredible

fife09 Jan 21 01:24
I like the way brigust states that George Floyd died in the struggle rather than stating he was choked to death by someone who by all accounts should not have been a serving police officer due to numerous complaints against him.


Maybe if George Floyd wasn't trying to pass off fake money/cheque in the first place, whilst high on Fentanyl, then sitting in the drivers seat of a car whilst under the influence - a car that I would assume he was going to drive, then also resisting arrest (he refused to get in a Police car but was fine in the drivers seat of a car when they arrived though), just maybe the Police wouldn't have to have got him on the floor and used a Police procedure to restrain him, he would also likely to have been known to be a violent criminal to the Officers who turned up (you know like when he put a gun to a pregnant womans belly). Should he have died how he did, absolutely not, but it could also have been avoided if he was simply a law abiding citizen, or even a criminal who just got in the Police car.

As for the Police Officer who did it, we have to assume the numerous complaints came to nothing, or else he wouldn't be a serving officer would he.

Hello, you have a penchant for missing the point. Seems to be regular but never mind.

My point was a man died being 'restrained' by a police officer who accidentally killed him and all hell let loose through the media.

At Capitol Hill a young woman was shot dead through a door, one shot, not accidental, and the press are saying it was justified. What double standards is that?

The only reason it was justified is because she was a Trump supporter.

Succinctly put brigust

trump was set up, the cops opened the gates welcomed them in knowing what the plan was , mr biden cant put two words together he is just the ventriloquists doll for the higher order who control america, they had to get rid of trump as they had no control no more

Last night was brutal

The great purge...hundreds of thousands gone from many platforms.

Never thought I’d see something like that.

Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, YouTube....even UberEats banned people.

Calls for OAN and Newsmax to be removed.

Parler removed from google plat store and give a 24 hour time limit by Apple to purge or be taken down.

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Social Media genocide of the right.

What you got to realise this will be extended to anyone whose on the left but doesn’t agree with them (partially or in whole)

So buckle up and start bowing down to China.

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My alt account on Twitter was shut down....I’m so happy...I knew I was correct....my last few posts were trying to find out why they made the frogs gay!

Then they ban me!

I knew it...it’s real..they deliberately made the frogs gay!

As they say in China - This is the way

know all - betfair seem to have deleted four letters from the middle of your user name

brigust1 09 Jan 21 10:14 
Hello, you have a penchant for missing the point. Seems to be regular but never mind.

My point was a man died being 'restrained' by a police officer who accidentally killed him and all hell let loose through the media.

At Capitol Hill a young woman was shot dead through a door, one shot, not accidental, and the press are saying it was justified. What double standards is that?

The only reason it was justified is because she was a Trump supporter.

your comparing a man on ground in cuffs being murdered not "restrained" to someone being shot in an escalating terrorist situation , unless your on the wind i cant fathom why you would liken these situations

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

On the left the freedom fighters are terrorists and the terrorists are freedom fighters.

Do you mean a convicted criminal being restrained against his will and a young lady availing herself of a right to protest. Yes, I am sure that is what you mean.
You keep getting everything wrong, Hello. A very strange outlook on life.
It must be really disappointing supporting all the losers in life. The SNP, Remainers, Jeremy Hunt, Kier Starmer. I hope you are better at gambling than you are at selecting the right groups/individuals to support. If not the Gambleaware number is everywhere. Take care.

There was a very interesting video on Youtube "Capitol police open doors for the protestors" ( a side door at that   and no it wasn't the bison horn wearing loon either ), where a group of supposedly Trump supporters just strolled in having the craic with the police and went on a guided walkabout , the fact that the video has now been removed speaks volumes .  .

brigust

if you see someone being chocked to death while on ground and handcuffed for almost NINE minutes as "being restrained" then ok , the fact he was a past criminal is plain judgemental and has no bearing on the degree of racial hate , the officer has been charged with murder and manslaughter if your wondering

if thats a routine arrest in your book fair play ,

Hello you try to play the straw man

You said the woman was a terrorist and deserved to be shot. So anyone protesting is a terrorist, when they start shooting BLM and Antifa you will be OK with that.  Of course not, you only agree with anyone who disagrees with the left being killed.   Stalin and Mao would  be so proud of you comrade.

no donb , i did not say that tho i see it suits your narritive

i said "someone being shot in an escalating terrorist situation"

Can you imaging the media reaction if the "peaceful protester" had been a coloured Democrat supporter and not just a "redneck Trump loony" who got what she deserved .

She did deserve to be shot, of that there is no doubt. Whether her fate was tragic is another matter.

Hello

You can twist your words anyway you want, everyone knows what you said.

I do not have a narrative,  I only call out socialists, whether they are national or international.

Imagine what the death tally might have been had the police been prepared in sufficient numbers and the mob turned away from entering the building.

you prob want to get another hobby

She deserved to die?

Jesus, some people are showing themselves up for the sort of people they really are on this thread.

yes , your right

everyone knows what i said , as its written below so why you say that is plain odd tbh

Shrewd_dude 09 Jan 21 19:08 
She deserved to die?

Jesus, some people are showing themselves up for the sort of people they really are on this thread.

not one person has said that shrewd

don't be silly let notsoshrewd dude bask in his faux outrage like the pathetic pos he is.

Dave, it sounds like it's time to call the kids to come and pick you up.

Dave or hello - any chance of a response to my 11:01 post, interested in your views to it.

Thanks

This is getting silly now boys and girls. Best call it a day, don't you think? Sleep on it.

Day 2 of The Purge

MasterCard and Visa have started removing people from their services and Chase have started closing accounts.

Brutal..in a cashless world you can’t even buy food...pretty much a death sentence.

As they say in Beijing - This is the way!

I’ve been brushing up on my Mandalorian and Cantonese.

Said it before...the only great reset we need is an Asteroid. Hopefully in 50,000 years the next great civilisation won’t be so childish.

daps

all i would say is both sides have just cause to demonstrate

unfortunately both sides also have that lunatic fringe whos sole purpose is destruction and chaos , and only serves to feed thier opposition and on the cycle goes