Oisin

oui oui

they're trying to den ounce his character.

Nice timing for young Fallon

Oct 1, 2020 -- 1:51PM, CROPSICK wrote:

Nice timing for young Fallon

wrong time of year

Maybe but these things can drag on, appeals etc

they'll wait for the B sample
then assuming that's +ve 6 months nov-apr he'll miss f all significant over here other than his foreign trips japan etc

case probably wrapped up in the next month or so.

the precedent has already been set

doesn't matter if you are innocent or not, +ve test for cocaine = 6 month ban

Could lose sponsors and Qatar Racing and a few others, I would feel he is innocent, if he is, what an awful thing to happen, he worked so hard.
Maybe better of being a Ryan Moore type, keep your own councel and meet less hangers on.

obviously I don't know Murpy but
he certainly does'nt come across
as someone who'd risk it all for
that.

I am Gobsmacked.

how many have now tested positive in France, do they have different testing procedures?

You can't really be surprised at any jockey testing positive for cocaine. OM is only human.

Dettori, Fallon and Havlin, there's three off the top of me heed

This is unrelated, but I thought it was bizarre that he didn't appeal the 7 day ban he got at Ayr, particularly after Lee Mottershead had reported recently that around 74% of appeals are either partially or wholly successful.

If his B sample is positive he can appeal all he wants but it won't make any difference.

tyred
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a few years ago, someone I knew tested positive for traces of cocaine and having been dismissed from his job, successfully fought it and won a 125k settlement.
you can pick up traces if handling money notes that have been used to snort !

My Brother in-Law was a bus driver in Southend and failed on a swab test.
He knew he’d never taken drugs and paid for a private hair follicle test that proved negative.
His Union took the case to court and he was awarded £40k.

https://unitetheunion.org/news-events/news/2018/november/essex-bus-driver-wins-unfair-dismissal-case-after-botched-drugs-test/

He doesn’t strike me as the type to have a cheeky line so I’m inclined to believe that this is some sort of mistake.

Hair sample is a good start...seem to recall Pat Valenzuela shaving off ALL of his body hair so he couldn’t be tested.

#Justice4Ocean

robbie downey provided hair samples which came back negative & they still upheld the ban

Whatever he says I would be quite willing to accept the actual verdict of medical test rather than his word. How many mentioned above admitted an offence?

happysandwich

funnily enough, the bloke from Bristol was a bus driver too !

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/565063/Cocaine-banknotes-bus-driver-sacking

NOTHING MORE TO SAY
besides giving an interview on RUK where i no every word i say is taken as gospel

shawshank defence
we,re all innocent in here ,GUV

What a shock it will be when a Jockey finally admits he is guilty.

jockey rding out in newmarket saying on live tv i dont ever come into contact with coke/drugs, should have asked him why its nicknamed little columbia

If he has, then he is a complete idiot.

Nathan Evan's been done aswell,I take it
he failed over here.Also in that article,
William Carson,Kieran Shoemark,Callum Rodriguiez
and Kevin Lundie have been done.
Were they caught over here aswell?
Reason being non of them a household name,do they
find the big names fail over here and sweep it
under the carpet.They missed Detorri,Havlin and
Fallon,possibly Murphy.France didn't.

happysandwhich, did he get his job back?

Tyred,

Looking at the link you posted both cases were indentical, including the trauma it caused their families knowing they were completely innocent.

My brother in-law was lucky to have Unite union fight his case, otherwise it would have been too risky financially and he would have just had to accept a criminal record.

young man with lots of money in his pocket  - be a surprise if he doesn't have the odd snort now and then

Jamesdean,

happysandwhich, did he get his job back?

No

It took over a year for it to finally get to court by which time he had got a nice little job in charge of maintenance on the big static camping site on Canvey Island where he lives.
Suited him better with more sociable hours and a wealthy boss that thinks the world of him.

Good on him, deserves it after that

blading stable run a very tight ship i will be very shocked if it comes out he been guilty for a long time and if balding still puts him up then i believe oisin and balding

I don't know anything about drugs as they were not available when I was a young man.

A question for you, could someone with a grudge against Oisin doctored his food or drink?

yeh,especially with that.

I always thought he came across a bit prissy but he seemed a decent enough lad.  Anybody can succumb to pressure/temptation.  I hope it's not true.

might get off but get 2 years for verbal dihorea

who uses bank note, contactlessis the norm

wouldnt have thought a present from a winning owner is gonna be done by bank transfer lol

“A urine sample given by the champion jockey at Chantilly on July 19 was found to contain metabolites of the drug.
But subsequent hair tests have found no trace of the substance and he said on Twitter: "I have never taken cocaine in my life and will fight to clear my name."
Very similar to the 2 first hand cases that Tyred and myself quoted.
Perhaps taking France Gallop to the European Court for not accepting the hair follicle tests would be his best option.

Mrcombustable,
“I don't know anything about drugs as they were not available when I was a young man."

A question for you, could someone with a grudge against Oisin doctored his food or drink?”


How could he prove that? even if it were true.

And last but by no means least  :-
“who uses bank note, contactlessis the norm”

That’s from XmoneyX

not a good day for ush

badly bruised reputation .... and sore balls.

It's one of the worst association ever for any jockey let alone the present champion. Is he riding in France at the weekend? As a matter of interest is it true cocaine users are associated with big hooters?

i've only met him for a whisper of time , likewise his relations . he will be ok . he is not that man .

add in  2female jockeys, 3jumps,1 riding for top stable.

Murphy is never going to admit it. Jockeys never do but he is guilty as been shown in the past with other high profile jockeys. I wonder if it will affect the Flat Jockets championship?

chapman will be starting a go fund me page to help in oisins defence

Oct 2, 2020 -- 9:18AM, portmanpark wrote:

chapman will be starting a go fund me page to help in oisins defence

He's no doubt already putting together a 'he's only young, we all make mistakes' type piece

The fact that he is the pocket of someone who just uses racing as a vehicle for his own self promotion doesn't exactly speak volumes for his character.

I understand a urine test is the most accurate determination of cocaine usage. The again how could cocaine show up in his urine and not hair folicle, another method for testing cocaine usage? In the company of cocaine users perhaps. Whatever it's he's in a bad position for a sports person.

might get off but get 2 years for verbal diarrhoea

people need to think before they speak by saying osin isnt that man,they do realise that they are saying that the poster boy of uk racing for last 10 years, frankie is that sort of man

The B test will sort it out. I wouldn't bet against a positive. Handy to get the 6 months in the off season.

Well Frankie is definitely that kind of a man(a bit of a prat)..... Oisin most certainly isn't.....

Well Frankie is definitely that kind of a man(a bit of a prat)..... Oisin most certainly isn't..... -- I think the B test may make you look like a bit of a prat!

Had any B-test come back inconclusive? If so, what happened next? A thousand apology from the authority?

doesnt releasing the statement tells us the direction of the B sample result

I may be wrong but I think the B test is only refereed to if OM want's it to be. He obviously will have to if he wants to prove his innocence.

An early plea of guilty means a lighter sentence - correct?

I think so. I think 6 months is the minimum but you can get more. Its probably more about his job. He won't get away with it but may persuade his bosses that he was innocent. Who knows?

if he did or does have a cheeky one,he
knows what will happen if tested/caught.
Just can't see him setting hiself up for
that type of fall,personally.
As I've said he's a fkucing silly boy if
true.

If I'm not mistaken his plight is pretty similar to Havlin who was given a 6 month enforced-holiday for testing positive for 2 prohibitive substances.

Any correlation between narcotic abuses and injudicious rides regularly perpetrated by some jockeys here. May I hasten to add this is not an inference on Havlin's or Murphy's predicament.

if he did or does have a cheeky one,he
knows what will happen if tested/caught. --  We are talking about cocaine. People who take it tend to need it rather than 'have a cheeky one'. These jockeys are under a lot of physical stress having to fast just when their growing body wants them to eat. Depression and other mental stresses are very powerful. A lot of these boys have been at it for years and suddenly when they are getting their big rides they are struggling with weight and other stresses. Its ok if you are one of the O'brien brothers as you get to achieve your goals quickly with top horses and then move straight into training, there is no need to starve yourself for many years. OM knows its now or never and I doubt it was just a cheeky one.

it seems funny how they get pulled in France yet not over here?

Good point.

if he was taking it all the time,he certainly
would not be sending hair strands to be tested.
ome people who take it do so ocasionally.
Not everyone is hooked on it.

Not everyone is hooked on it. -- m Its not about being hooked on it, its about looking for some relief in times of stress. Just because you do it occasionally doesn't mean it isn't an issue. The hair strands business is smoke and mirrors. The hair stands is smoke and mirrors. It was July and any hair grown since won't have it. So 3/4 cms won't have it and it is well worth a gamble if you are pleading innocence.

thats the whole idea.Constant users will have
it show up in hair strands,1cm or 1ft long.
Its in their system.

France don't give a sh@t they'll hang any1,uk/Ireland don't want the bad press.

Not if they haven't used it for 2/3 months. If he hasn't used it since July then it won't be in his hair if its less than 3cm long. He doesn't have to be a constant user to have used it. I can see you want to defend this guy and I hope the B test proves you right. I don't think it will.

it seems funny how they get pulled in France yet not over here?

much stronger regulation exists in France because all betting is on the government PM. Over here it's the Wild West and anything goes

I know MC likes the guy, however, I am sure OM does not want reminding every 2 mins about the situation.

list growing of uk jockey,s doubting the results/science but plenty uk jockey,s passing test multiple times so a fail equals a fail or everyone will be pleading their inocence,theyve nothing to lose

We should stop testing and just ask them after every race if they have used. We can believe all the nice ones and only fine the ones we don't like. Tests eh??

list growing of uk jockey,s doubting the results/science

huge shock that - I'll need to have a lie down

He never done it.

he might think you have to enjoy it to have done it

maybe he had loads and forgot he done it.

to be honest when he was doing that in car apology for Kameko in the Derby I think he might have had a little snort then.

Vastly over rated with or without powder.

"robbie downey provided hair samples which came back negative & they still upheld the ban"

Apparently if you wash your hair or even dye it a test can still pick up any trace for about 90 days. So I would have thought less likely to get a false positive with a hair test than a urine test. Murphy's hair sample came back completely negative, his positive urine sample could have been contamination.

I tend to believe him because I don't think he'd be that stupid, and if he had taken it surely he wouldn't have been willing to have a hair sample tested. I didn't know Robbie Downey's ban was still upheld even with a negative hair sample.

I dont fancy the boys chances of beating a ban but to be fair he is in good company.

Apparently if you wash your hair or even dye it a test can still pick up any trace for about 90 days.  ---  Its been over 90 days and he would have known that. Its all about the B test.

July 19th were'nt 90 days ago.

to be fair, they are a bit thick !

July 19th were'nt 90 days ago--- sorry Penzance you are right. It doesn't alter the fact that if your hair is less than an inch long (it grows 1/2inch month) then there is a good chance there will be no trace. The reality is if you were him you would have to offer something to support your innocence and take a chance your hair sample was clean. Even if it was positive he would just argue that it must have got into him without him knowing. If you take drugs you are inevitably a liar as well (I am not saying he takes drugs) and will say anything to clear yourself. Whatever you believe these boys ain't stupid and they know all about cocaine metabolisation. B test positive and its 6 months off.

Balding: "Its' a matter for France Galop, but all I can say is that I've known Oisin for a long time and he's a very hardworking individual and talented jockey. I'm sure whatever comes of it, he'll come out of it a high class jockey, and that won't change."

I thought the above was an interesting remark from his boss today. Not exactly an absolute endorsement of not guilty.

High class jockey..

That's almost mitigation Impossible!

Indeed. It seems Balding has resigned/accepted to be without his service for a few months. Did his wife not once refer Murphy as a sort of primate on tv? I thought that was a little not too media conducive.

whether he,s took coke or not still a world class jockey,dont think balding will be asked for a character reverence

nice to see morning line ditch the whole of french racing in favour of supporting their buddy on the grounds of why would he do it ,despite frankie,fallon band others giving them the answer,
the same test he failed 100,s pass every week,if the test in france is that unreliable, sensitive why would dozens of jocks every week risk a 6 month plus ban to ride one horse in a race week in week out

Throw him out ,

Has anyone asked him if he's ever taken cocaine? The answer will have a significant bearing on his success or failure of continuing riding for the foreseeable future.

Jockey`s are not bright or clever .......

EastLower Gooner 01 Oct 20 15:40 
He doesn’t strike me as the type to have a cheeky line so I’m inclined to believe that this is some sort of mistake.

Hair sample is a good start...seem to recall Pat Valenzuela shaving off ALL of his body hair so he couldn’t be tested.


do you have to have body hair to give a urine sample ????!!

Bad for flat racing if it is true, as the sport has become a bad watch for a lot of people as it is. Anyone who says they enjoyed watching that racing today are been blinkered imop, and there's been far too many big flat meetings that have been the same. A ban for it's pin up boy will reduce it's appeal even further.

Oct 2, 2020 -- 3:34PM, truehoncho wrote:

to be honest when he was doing that in car apology for Kameko in the Derby I think he might have had a little snort then.

Any betting on him escaping a ban? Follow the money, if so.