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16 Sep 20
15:06
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Huge setback for racing?
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A trip to Doncaster races by a group of sports fans from south Wales is being blamed for a cluster of Covid-19 cases in an area where a new, strict lockdown is being imposed.
Almost a quarter of a million people in Rhondda Cynon Taf (RCT) have been told that from Thursday they will not be able to leave the area without a reasonable excuse following a sharp rise in coronavirus cases.
The Welsh government said one of the clusters was associated “with a club outing to the Doncaster races, which stopped off at a series of pubs on the way”.
More than 2,500 spectators were allowed into the first day of the Doncaster meeting last week. The revelation of the cluster is bound to lead to criticism of the decision to allow a crowd into the meeting.
The government has been criticised for allowing the Cheltenham festival to go ahead in March, shortly before the national lockdown.
Other clusters in RCT are associated with a rugby club and pub.
A range of new measures will come into force from 6pm on Thursday including all licensed premises having to close at 11pm. The Welsh government said people will only be able to meet outdoors for the time being.
The Welsh government’s health minister, Vaughan Gething, said: “We have seen a rapid rise in cases in Rhondda Cynon Taf in a very short space of time, linked to people socialising indoors and not following social distancing guidelines. We now have evidence of wider community transmission in the borough.”
Contact-tracing teams have been able to trace about half of the cases back to a series of clusters in the borough. The rest are linked to community transmission.
Gething said pubs had been a “real factor” in the spread of coronavirus in the area. He said a licensed premise had been closed in Tonypandy, and improvement notices had been issued for a bar in Pontypridd and a barber’s in Tonypandy.
A further 50 licensed premises were visited by council officers over the weekend and more enforcement action – either improvement notices or closure orders – is likely to follow.
The Rhondda MP, Chris Bryant, said: “I’ve been warning this would be necessary. Now we need to stick to the rules and get the transmission rate down to protect the NHS and the most vulnerable.”
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A trip to Doncaster races by a group of sports fans from south Wales is being blamed for a cluster of Covid-19 cases in an area where a new, strict lockdown is being imposed.
Almost a quarter of a million people in Rhondda Cynon Taf (RCT) have been told that from Thursday they will not be able to leave the area without a reasonable excuse following a sharp rise in coronavirus cases.
The Welsh government said one of the clusters was associated “with a club outing to the Doncaster races, which stopped off at a series of pubs on the way”.
More than 2,500 spectators were allowed into the first day of the Doncaster meeting last week. The revelation of the cluster is bound to lead to criticism of the decision to allow a crowd into the meeting.
The government has been criticised for allowing the Cheltenham festival to go ahead in March, shortly before the national lockdown.
Other clusters in RCT are associated with a rugby club and pub.
A range of new measures will come into force from 6pm on Thursday including all licensed premises having to close at 11pm. The Welsh government said people will only be able to meet outdoors for the time being.
The Welsh government’s health minister, Vaughan Gething, said: “We have seen a rapid rise in cases in Rhondda Cynon Taf in a very short space of time, linked to people socialising indoors and not following social distancing guidelines. We now have evidence of wider community transmission in the borough.”
Contact-tracing teams have been able to trace about half of the cases back to a series of clusters in the borough. The rest are linked to community transmission.
Gething said pubs had been a “real factor” in the spread of coronavirus in the area. He said a licensed premise had been closed in Tonypandy, and improvement notices had been issued for a bar in Pontypridd and a barber’s in Tonypandy.
A further 50 licensed premises were visited by council officers over the weekend and more enforcement action – either improvement notices or closure orders – is likely to follow.
The Rhondda MP, Chris Bryant, said: “I’ve been warning this would be necessary. Now we need to stick to the rules and get the transmission rate down to protect the NHS and the most vulnerable.”
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Blame more likely was the pubs,not the racecourse.
The area going into strict lockdown and the cause is a limited number going to Doncaster races....... what a load of cr@p
stopped off at a series of pubs..... wtf has that got to do with Doncaster , they can't control the numpties till on the racecourse.
How about tearing into the pubs and their so called safety measures.
How about tearing into the pubs and their so called safety measures.
I was working at Donny and can't recall a welsh accent,maybe they were in hospitality but there was literally loads of space everywhere.
Got to be drugs in Tonypandy, they're all sharing the same rolled up note
If that's the case the virus just became a 5 furlong sprint , meeting took place on the ninth and six days later it's pinpointed to the race meeting come on
Also, people from Bristol + Taunton travelling to the testing centre in Abercynon
What about the buses are they the problem and other forms of public transport especially aircraft
Those with an agenda always mention Cheltenham races but conveniently forget to mention the 150,000 who marched through London for International Womens Day
sixtwosix 16 Sep 20 16:51
1930's style propaganda alive and well .
Never realised Goebbels had anything to do with Horse Racing!
1930's style propaganda alive and well .
Never realised Goebbels had anything to do with Horse Racing!
The rules at Donny were so strict that I doubt if you could have caught anything no matter how hard you tried- don't cheer, don't go into a corridor if anyone else there, wear a muzzle indoors, pay by card.
punts 16 Sep 20 15:15
Why does everything get blamed on racing?
Blame culture is rampant. What a country this has become
Why does everything get blamed on racing?
Blame culture is rampant. What a country this has become
Donny fighting back!
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Statement
Following this afternoon's announcements from the Welsh Health Minister, Doncaster Racecourse can confirm the following:
As a condition of running the pilot event last week, we were required to implement a full track and trace database that took the details of all attendees that would be on site, linked to an e-ticket and photo ID system on entry that would verify attendance.
Doncaster Racecourse has received no contact from any organisation, including the NHS or the Welsh Government, to verify the attendance of any individuals at last week’s event for the purposes of track and trace. In addition, we do not have any ticket bookings for any groups from the South Wales area for Wednesday’s event.
We will be contacting the Welsh Health Minister as a matter of urgency to clarify the situation.
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Statement
Following this afternoon's announcements from the Welsh Health Minister, Doncaster Racecourse can confirm the following:
As a condition of running the pilot event last week, we were required to implement a full track and trace database that took the details of all attendees that would be on site, linked to an e-ticket and photo ID system on entry that would verify attendance.
Doncaster Racecourse has received no contact from any organisation, including the NHS or the Welsh Government, to verify the attendance of any individuals at last week’s event for the purposes of track and trace. In addition, we do not have any ticket bookings for any groups from the South Wales area for Wednesday’s event.
We will be contacting the Welsh Health Minister as a matter of urgency to clarify the situation.
Does it make any difference if it is all traced back to Doncaster? Simple facts are that the"Club" are idiots for sanctioning multiple stops!!
When will the morons understand the meaning of a Pandemic and VIRULENCE of a VIRUS?
Selfish,gormless morons regardless of age,ethnicity or sexuality or even disability and that only describes the BBC staff,god help us with the rest of the "Normal" population?
When will the morons understand the meaning of a Pandemic and VIRULENCE of a VIRUS?
Selfish,gormless morons regardless of age,ethnicity or sexuality or even disability and that only describes the BBC staff,god help us with the rest of the "Normal" population?
Let me guess who came up with this fake news story....the Guardian!
Factual ?
Read Punts Donny statement
Or do you only read your own stuff
Read Punts Donny statement
Or do you only read your own stuff
they traveled up from wales on the thursday, far as i know had no intention of going to the races just staying in the town.
there was some positive cases in the local club they all attend and they should not have gone, but the trip had been booked for many months and they went anyway.
nothing to do with doncaster racecourse, just plain stupidity.
there was some positive cases in the local club they all attend and they should not have gone, but the trip had been booked for many months and they went anyway.
nothing to do with doncaster racecourse, just plain stupidity.
Nothing more can be said "Plain Stupidity",succinct and to the point?
Bbc news reported the group did not actually go to the racecourse !
North East of England facing a local lockdown from midnight tonight...
i feel sorry for the folk who are respecting the rules and behaving responsibly...
i feel sorry for the folk who are respecting the rules and behaving responsibly...
BBC lunchtime news still peddling the lie that the cluster was linked to a trip to Doncaster races.This information originally came from the Welsh government.
not worth a comment really BUT entry to the racecourse had to be by 10.30 am
the story being they set off from south wales stopping off at a number of pubs on the way...so that makes sense ..NOT
no mention of the name of one single pub they stopped at on the way or in doncaster.....you might think that could be important , seems these facts [ or lack of them ] answer the question
JUST A HOAX.....FAKE NEWS
the story being they set off from south wales stopping off at a number of pubs on the way...so that makes sense ..NOT
no mention of the name of one single pub they stopped at on the way or in doncaster.....you might think that could be important , seems these facts [ or lack of them ] answer the question
JUST A HOAX.....FAKE NEWS
Radio interview with one of the daytrippers i could post what she said but i'm not going to i'll let you find it yourself here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-54189913
This "track and trace" thing, based on information written in a pub's/club's/establishment's log in book is a piece of hogwash. People just write in anything to allow themselves access. NOTHING IS EVER CHECKED for authenticity, and why would it be?
Sep 17, 2020 -- 11:07PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:
Won't load duke - thanks anyway.
I'll paste it below just for you nobody else is allowed to read it
A club treasurer says his venue has been "dragged through the mud" after Wales' health minister linked a coronavirus cluster with a Doncaster trip some of his members went on.
Phillip Brown said the Lindsay Cons Club had been "virtually blamed" for the spread in Rhondda Cynon Taf.
His club had to close days before the trip because of Covid-19 fears - with a number of people later becoming sick.
Vaughan Gething mentioned the trip when he announced the area's lockdown.
During a televised Welsh Government press conference on Wednesday, he gave examples of clusters of coronavirus cases in Rhondda Cynon Taf (RCT), including one associated "with a club outing to the Doncaster races, which stopped off at a series of pubs on the way".
The health minister did not name the club involved, although this later emerged, and Mr Brown said it had been an "absolute disgrace" how Mr Gething had dealt with the situation.
The minister also faced criticism from political rivals after he said the group travelled to Doncaster races - when it later emerged they did not attend the actual racecourse.
What happened on the trip?
Mr Brown, treasurer of the club in Abercynon, said the bus trip itself was not run by the venue and was organised by someone who was not a member.
He said four or five of his members went and stayed in Doncaster for two nights, before returning on Sunday.
It was an annual journey to the races, but on this occasion the group did not attend the racecourse itself.
He said he thought they probably did go to some pubs in Doncaster, but did not stop at any on the way, as the minister said.
The club itself had shut after a member of bar staff had developed symptoms last Wednesday.
It was confirmed a club member had Covid-19 on Thursday, and a total of 15-20 members and staff members have become sick since.
Mr Brown said he had been in touch with Rhondda Cynon Taf council and Public Health Wales with details of who had been in the club at the weekend.
He said how Mr Gething had handled the matter was an "absolute disgrace".
"They have dragged our club through the mud, virtually blaming us for a situation in Rhondda Cynon Taf and locking down because they reckon we are responsible," he said.
"We are not responsible. We've done every measure possibly to help Public Health Wales and the Welsh Government."
'They didn't stop off at pubs on the way'
Donna Clifton, whose partner was on the trip, said the group did not stop off at any pubs on the way as the health minister claimed.
"[It was] what normally happens on the trip: they had a bet, they had a pint, same as what happens every year, nothing was done any different," she said.
Ms Clifton, whose partner returned from the trip with Covid-19, said: "They go straight to Doncaster, into a pub, into a hotel, back on the Sunday."
What did Mr Gething say?
After his press conference, Mr Gething repeated the anecdote about the club trip during an interview with BBC Wales.
He said the club had "organised a large coach to Doncaster races stopping off in pubs".
But Doncaster Racecourse later issued a statement saying it had no bookings from south Wales. The racecourse had been ordered to stop spectators attending after Wednesday's opening day.
After the British Horseracing Authority sought further clarification, the Welsh Government issued a tweet saying: "We understand that though the original intention of the party was to travel to the Doncaster Racecourse, the party did not enter the racecourse as originally planned."
What have opposition politicians said?
Doncaster Racecourse
Welsh Conservative health spokesman Andrew RT Davies called for an apology and said the Doncaster episode showed "staggering incompetence" from the Welsh Government.
Mr Davies said the "false allegation" regarding the racecourse was "yet another example of staggering incompetence from the health minister and the Welsh Labour Government".
Calling the turn of events "shambolic", he added: "In a public health crisis it's vital the information government and ministers provide to the people of Wales is accurate, and as such the record must be corrected and a clarification and apology provided immediately by the Welsh Labour Government."
Plaid Cymru health spokesman Rhun ap Iorwerth said: "How did that happen? Any group travelling from place to place on a drinking session is irresponsible at this time, clearly, but government must get its facts right."
What has the Welsh Government said?
BBC Wales asked why the health minister did not say at the press conference that the trip did not go into the racecourse.
In response, a spokesman said: "The Doncaster group cluster is one of a number of clusters in the Rhondda Cynon Taf area.
"Contact tracing teams are continuing to trace contacts from this cluster."
On Thursday, Public Health Wales reported three deaths of people with coronavirus, the first recorded in the country since August 31.
A lockdown came into force in Rhondda Cynon Taf at 18:00 BST on Thursday.
Phillip Brown said the Lindsay Cons Club had been "virtually blamed" for the spread in Rhondda Cynon Taf.
His club had to close days before the trip because of Covid-19 fears - with a number of people later becoming sick.
Vaughan Gething mentioned the trip when he announced the area's lockdown.
During a televised Welsh Government press conference on Wednesday, he gave examples of clusters of coronavirus cases in Rhondda Cynon Taf (RCT), including one associated "with a club outing to the Doncaster races, which stopped off at a series of pubs on the way".
The health minister did not name the club involved, although this later emerged, and Mr Brown said it had been an "absolute disgrace" how Mr Gething had dealt with the situation.
The minister also faced criticism from political rivals after he said the group travelled to Doncaster races - when it later emerged they did not attend the actual racecourse.
What happened on the trip?
Mr Brown, treasurer of the club in Abercynon, said the bus trip itself was not run by the venue and was organised by someone who was not a member.
He said four or five of his members went and stayed in Doncaster for two nights, before returning on Sunday.
It was an annual journey to the races, but on this occasion the group did not attend the racecourse itself.
He said he thought they probably did go to some pubs in Doncaster, but did not stop at any on the way, as the minister said.
The club itself had shut after a member of bar staff had developed symptoms last Wednesday.
It was confirmed a club member had Covid-19 on Thursday, and a total of 15-20 members and staff members have become sick since.
Mr Brown said he had been in touch with Rhondda Cynon Taf council and Public Health Wales with details of who had been in the club at the weekend.
He said how Mr Gething had handled the matter was an "absolute disgrace".
"They have dragged our club through the mud, virtually blaming us for a situation in Rhondda Cynon Taf and locking down because they reckon we are responsible," he said.
"We are not responsible. We've done every measure possibly to help Public Health Wales and the Welsh Government."
'They didn't stop off at pubs on the way'
Donna Clifton, whose partner was on the trip, said the group did not stop off at any pubs on the way as the health minister claimed.
"[It was] what normally happens on the trip: they had a bet, they had a pint, same as what happens every year, nothing was done any different," she said.
Ms Clifton, whose partner returned from the trip with Covid-19, said: "They go straight to Doncaster, into a pub, into a hotel, back on the Sunday."
What did Mr Gething say?
After his press conference, Mr Gething repeated the anecdote about the club trip during an interview with BBC Wales.
He said the club had "organised a large coach to Doncaster races stopping off in pubs".
But Doncaster Racecourse later issued a statement saying it had no bookings from south Wales. The racecourse had been ordered to stop spectators attending after Wednesday's opening day.
After the British Horseracing Authority sought further clarification, the Welsh Government issued a tweet saying: "We understand that though the original intention of the party was to travel to the Doncaster Racecourse, the party did not enter the racecourse as originally planned."
What have opposition politicians said?
Doncaster Racecourse
Welsh Conservative health spokesman Andrew RT Davies called for an apology and said the Doncaster episode showed "staggering incompetence" from the Welsh Government.
Mr Davies said the "false allegation" regarding the racecourse was "yet another example of staggering incompetence from the health minister and the Welsh Labour Government".
Calling the turn of events "shambolic", he added: "In a public health crisis it's vital the information government and ministers provide to the people of Wales is accurate, and as such the record must be corrected and a clarification and apology provided immediately by the Welsh Labour Government."
Plaid Cymru health spokesman Rhun ap Iorwerth said: "How did that happen? Any group travelling from place to place on a drinking session is irresponsible at this time, clearly, but government must get its facts right."
What has the Welsh Government said?
BBC Wales asked why the health minister did not say at the press conference that the trip did not go into the racecourse.
In response, a spokesman said: "The Doncaster group cluster is one of a number of clusters in the Rhondda Cynon Taf area.
"Contact tracing teams are continuing to trace contacts from this cluster."
On Thursday, Public Health Wales reported three deaths of people with coronavirus, the first recorded in the country since August 31.
A lockdown came into force in Rhondda Cynon Taf at 18:00 BST on Thursday.
Unless they went on Wednesday 9th, they would not have been admitted to the course unless they were owners. The whole story is a disgrace and clearly aimed at stopping racing. In any case the risk in most pubs is 100 times greater than in a racecourse. Mty wife and I just had 4 days away in rural Devon and had our first (and last) indoor catered meal since March. We didn't feel comfortable and the restaurant made no attempt to take our contact details. We had a couple of outdoor lunches which were fine. One way systems, names and telephone taken, everyone wore masks until seated and well spaced outdoor tables. It only takes a few establishments who ignore the rules and off it goes.
just a mis-understanding,an annual event were they usually go to the races but this time they couldnt but still went to doncaster,pretty much what we will be doing at most cheltenham meetings with hotels already booked,the courses should hope that people dont enjoy it too much not going to the course because they may not ever come back
Sep 16, 2020 -- 4:32PM, wondersobright wrote:
fake news fest
as called
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https://www.racingpost.com/news/latest/bha-welsh-covid-spike-group-did-not-visit-doncaster-for-st-leger-meeting/450924
Why are toffs from the west country coming to Abercynon for tests?
longleat safari park was closed, took the kids to see some animals
richie--did you see the Welsh news about the Doncaster trip.
Woman who's partner had gone to Doncaster trip and now has covid
complaining that people should't be nasty to those who went on the trip
because "they didn't do anything different than every other year"
Woman who's partner had gone to Doncaster trip and now has covid
complaining that people should't be nasty to those who went on the trip
because "they didn't do anything different than every other year"
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