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19 Aug 20
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got Carlisle pencilled in for 9th November
any chance you reckon?
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possibly the st leger meeting.
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slim to non this yr imo.
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Hoping for Christmas at Kempton. But not hopeful.
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Wide of the mark there, Willie IMO. 300 fans were permitted to attend the final 2 days of the of the snooker. Some courses will be allowing a limited no. of racegoers to attend before the end of the year. My guess would be end of Oct/early Nov.
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the slowness of progress indicates members only for quite awhile..imo crazy
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covid warnings are still appearing frequently..
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I hear that owners without runners on the day will be the next people admitted
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I suspect our government is running scared about allowing people back to racecourses because of the fuss with Cheltenham, back in March.
I also suspect that nobody in government understands the different types of racegoer. It is pretty obvious that tracks could now be admitting a limited number of spectators to quiet midweek meetings. In fact, any limit would probably not even be reached at a lot of tracks. Trouble is, government seems to think that 'going racing' is a big jolly-up with drinking a major factor. Hence, they are scared stiff of the latter. I further suspect football is also playing a part in this. I voted for them (only because the alternative was even worse) but Boris and his anti-euro mates are desperate not to upset those in areas that unexpectedly voted them in - especially in the working class parts of the north. Hence, by opening pubs and, initially, allowing package holidays (too soon IMO) they thought they were giving their new found (but only temporary) working class pals what they want. It was misjudged and comes as a result of government trying to govern by worrying about who they might upset rather than just doing things properly and with common sense. God forbid, though, the perceived upper class nature of horse racing be catered for! A really daft situation and I do not understand why the RCA are not all over this. I still think that we will see a return to the tracks for the public between Oct 1st and Oct 31st but this wait with no news is tortuous. Lastly, why do we need pilot trials now anyway? With owners able to take five others surely we are already trialling limited crowds. The trial at Goodwood which was postponed sounded like a farce with people forced to stay one side of the stands or the other! If we are not careful, any eventual return to the tracks for genuine racing fans will be 'trial by jobsworths' anyway. Sad to say. I can already picture one or two of the security personnel who man racecourses in normal times salivating at the thought of stopping people doing this and that etc! |
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I'm very cynical about these 'crowd trials'. With all the limitations they impose in terms of health checks, masks, restricted areas, social distancing, giving out names and addresses, what exactly is this a 'trial' of, because it bears no resemblance to going racing as you and I (and thousands of others) understand that term. So what will the trial prove, except that racecourse managers are just as capable of putting up barriers and signs as any other business.
By what criteria would such a trial be judged a success, and what further relaxation would that success allow. There's a clear risk that any acceptance of these rules (protocols makes them sound more official but less threatening) becomes the norm for the foreseeable future. Would that mean crowd size limits that would kill the likes of Ascot and Cheltenham? Just today, there's a report suggesting football crowds will be restricted to 30% of ground capacity. The problem is that none of this has been discussed, as the courses are all too excited with being allowed to stage a 'trial' - they don't seem to be considering what it means for the long term. It all seems a very ,very long way away from turning up at the gate on the day, paying for admission and then having no further contact with officialdom. |
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About 100 owners at Fontwell on Tuesday, lots of security people to enforce the rules.All people on the racing side of the track wearing unnecessary masks in the open air.Two bookmakers and tote terminals doing little if any business. Pay bar contactless only.
One way systems everywhere, not an enjoyable experience. As other posters have said these trials are pointless |
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cheltenham could be in big trouble even if members only are allowed to attend meetings this year,i imagine lots of people go to cheltenham races and not actually see a horse and if they start watching it in a pub with all their friends it wont be long before they see its pretty much the same as what they pay £30 to £40 each to do at the races
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Agree Anorak, I won't be going racing when it does return unless there is complete freedom of movement. I can accept closure of indoor areas but not outside.
Government approach to sport seems at odds with other easing of restrictions, hopefully a more nuanced approach will emerge quickly which will see quieter midweek meetings reopening. |
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Deauville over the weekend very busy, lots of people enjoying a day out at the races, some wearing masks, some not, not a covid virus to be seen anywhere!!!
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Spectators allowed at some non-league football grounds from this Saturday. Reduced capacity but should be enough to accommodate their usual crowds.
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There's way more votes in keeping the facemask w@nkers happy than racegoers.
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I have tickets for the Arc and was extremely confident I'd be there but starting to get nervous now. Just let us back on a racecourse FFS
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Anorak, agree with most of what you say. But the tracks being excited about staging trials doesn't ring true. I fear it is the opposite.
I fear that the tracks are all sitting there, with one or two exceptions, hoping another track will do it so they can avoid the expense and trouble. Hence, with few tracks willing to stage these really daft trials I wonder of racing will miss out on the 'pilot events' - though what and where they are going to be seems to be a long time coming. I also fear that tracks may not actually want racegoers for the rest of 2020. It would not surprise me if tracks had revised their 2020 budgets to show no racegoer income for the rest of the year - I know Arena Racing have. Hence, to have to accomodate racegoers with all the bio-secure measures would be too much of a disruption to their figures. I do hope I am wrong but the way corporate accounting is done today is sometimes just plain daft. Lastly, it worried me yesterday to see Edinburgh abandon their trial for next week because 'nobody in government got back to them'. What that means is nobody in government wanted to stand up a take a decision! This has the potential to be a right mess. Easy to lockdown in big dramatic gestures but bl**dy hard to come out of it again. |
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8646411/Germany-records-highest-number-
coronavirus-cases-April.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR3JRkI2ba7CD- 0BXWJeOtqGllexDZGHbYq_i18H5Q-n7IHPaE3KtUcxn0I&fbclid=IwAR3SUhCQj- s4et1NX3gxnE99Gky22QWVGMmVWS0WiML0JxbnSP2RLPisELE |
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Easy to lockdown in big dramatic gestures but bl**dy hard to come out of it again--- You have hit the nail on the head there Knight.
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Presumably in the case of Musselburgh, 'nobody in government', would refer to the devolved administration run by Wee Krankie, not the Westminster shambles.
I thought Goodwood seemed pretty keen, although perhaps that was just for public consumption. But the cancellation highlighted the risk of letting the government set the agenda, giving them the power to shut everything down again at 24hrs notice. |
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Anorak. Yes, it may well have been Sturgeon and her mates. I think in itself, though, this lack of response from Wee Krankie (very good) may have demonstrated what much of this whole carry on has become.
In a speech earlier this month Krankie said she hoped to see a re-introduction of crowds to sports arenas in Scotland from September 14th. Two things to note from that. 1/ She just has to be different from Boris who had said October 1st 2/ She could not possibly have Mussellburgh getting to the party early next week. I fear much of the messing about now will be based on the pi**ing contest between various heads of this and heads of that. There will be trade-offs galore and, at the moment, it seems that teachers have got the upperhand - they certainly do the most moaning. Why there has to be a relationship between the little darlings going back to school and 300 people going racing on a cold autumn afternoon in the fresh air, I do not know. Moving on, despite Mr Shafter trying to scaremonger about the rise in cases (that will happen as things open up), France does not seem to be blaming people going to the tracks for its increase in infections. And nor should it. The whole thing is a mess and tailor made for the jobsworths of the UK to thrive at all levels. Lastly, yes Goodwood were keen on their trial but they ended up wasting money on it and so I fear other tracks do not want to go down the same road. I will say it again. Why do we need 'trials'? We are already having them with owners allowed to take up to six guests. Perhaps, though, the government believe owners are still all upper class gentry who are immune to the infections the scummy rest of us carry! |
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I owe my niece who lives with her family in Scotland, for the name 'Wee Krankie'.
The key 'jobsworth' racing has to deal with is a real life Nigel, the Minister for Sport. Background, Christ Church College Oxford, MBA in the States, worked for Arthur Anderson, Deloitte and Google before becoming an MP. Seems a safe bet that he's never been seen down by the last fence at Fontwell! |
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They have to keep you believing that their disastrous and unnecessary destruction of the economy was in your best interests so horse racing and other sports are the scapegoats for their policies. Most of the economy is up and running and the infection rate is just something to scare you with. As you say there is no need for trials (political nonsense) just allow limited numbers at small meeting and go from there.
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Deaths and serious hospital cases are nothing like they were. Plenty of the old and pre-virus unhealthy are already dead. There is another agenda. Control. The vaccine might do plenty of damage though.
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There is absolutely no reason why crowds shouldn't be allowed back on racecourses ( limited number obvs)
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Looks as if the Knavesmire is a good spot for watching the racing...Plenty of people on site as well...
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Don't panic... The BHA are sure to sort this out
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Tbf workrider we are social distancing well
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8646425/Could-Wigan-freed
-lockdown-Andy-Burnham-says-clear-measures-worked.html?ito=social-facebook&fbclid=IwAR03m68t2mgGiw2ebmjg0Qds9S2haBNrHyqS9T2 gONMhMD2sLB9mCVZmJAc gettin worserer... |
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Why have the tracks not included members with owners in this 2 week trial.
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Just read my football team are having a crowd of 450 people (must not exceed 15% of ground capacity) for a pre season friendly next Tuesday so why can't racecourses do similar
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apologies Wire for repeating your earlier post..just didn't see it
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8651115/
Coronavirus-Households-Oldham-Blackburn-banned-meeting.html |
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artful dodger 20 Aug 20 08:13 Deauville over the weekend very busy, lots of people enjoying a day out at the races, some wearing masks, some not, not a covid virus to be seen anywhere!!! France seeing significant spikes in new cases |
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They're wearing masks all day. Of course they're making themselves ill. What do you expect? Stupid gits.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8651115/
Coronavirus-Households-Oldham-Blackburn-banned-meeting.html My village in Oldham has zero ,yes zero new cases in the last two weeks. Who would think that political correctness and walking on egg shells would be more important that dealing with a pandemic. |
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Keep clapping. Keep clapping.
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go down your local high street tomorrow, be packed with shoppers. this is acceptable as they are helping the struggling retail outlets. if it's ok to walk around town shopping all day it's surely ok for a limited number to walk around a racecourse.
it's probably safer. |
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Yes. But they're all silent and miserable in their masks.
Racegoers laugh and smile, and that's completely unacceptable. |