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18 Jul 20 06:39
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taken some time to recover from being "got at" but reappears in the first at York on Sunday...be interesting to see if he's still the same horseHappy

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By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 18 Jul 20 10:48
Not a fan of copying names from the past.
By:
ericster
When: 18 Jul 20 10:53
Thought that name rung a bell.
By:
G Hall
When: 18 Jul 20 11:12
Trained by the major, who was shafted by queenie, what a despicable thing to do to a man in a wheelchair.
By:
impossible123
When: 18 Jul 20 11:42
I was a newbie then but I still remember Gorytus. What a horse until that "day" where he ran unquestionably badly. There were Habibti, Soba, Slip Anchor, Delius/Cole (or was it Delium) and of course Dancing Brave who was a legend.
By:
Fire-and-Ice
When: 18 Jul 20 11:43
Dilum, imp
By:
impossible123
When: 18 Jul 20 11:55
Thanks 'Fire'. Dilum was a horse and a half; P Cole had a few beauties then culminating in Authorised winning The Derby. Of course there were those just as good some even better at the stables of Cecil, Stoute and Cumani in Group or prestigious handicaps like Ebor or Cesarewitch.
By:
GAZO
When: 18 Jul 20 12:01
do you mean generous winning the derby ?
By:
ged
When: 18 Jul 20 12:27
The original Gorytus also made his racecourse debut over 7f at York. He won the Acomb by 7 lengths and broke the 2yo track record.
By:
impossible123
When: 18 Jul 20 12:31
'GAZO', yes Generous. I "reinvested" some of my winning in The ARC (sadly).
By:
GAZO
When: 18 Jul 20 12:38
alex bird in his book was adamant that gorytus was doped
By:
blackbarn
When: 18 Jul 20 12:44
Henry said Diesis would have beaten Gorytus anyway, whatever condition he was inCool
By:
ashleigh
When: 18 Jul 20 12:52
better than gorytus, who remembers JACINTH 1-40 newbury, trained by bruce hobbs to win the cheveley park,coronation,falmouth,goodwood mile and beaten at odds on in the 1,000 guineas in 1972/73.
By:
geoff m
When: 18 Jul 20 12:56
Beat Henrys Salieri in the Acomb and Harwoods Procaliam in the Champagne Stakes(how can yer remember things like this yet not recall the name of a single horse that won yesterday). So went to Newmarket to watch the 2nd coming in The Dewhurst. Was a beautiful blue sky and sunny autumn day. Gorytus had a huge dump in the parade ring which folks reckoned was 1 of the signs he had been "got at". Such an anti climax as well and truly stuffed by Diesis. Never then fulfilled his huge potetial.
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Jul 20 13:00
doped. thought they reckon he was zapped by someone hidden in the bushes with a lazer gun
working up scotland nigg bay, keshoon at the time,remember 2 well known punters from my town,walked,ran,bus,taxi through the wilds of the highlands to find a betting shop and reputedly had 2 grand each on gorytus,
working up there in theback of beyond in a dismal place ,i,d have cried for a month if i,d have lost 50p of hard earned on it,following the tales that followed
By:
onlooker
When: 18 Jul 20 13:06
No way - 1st time poster ... Never. ever, heard that theory before, re; GORYTUS.

You are getting mixed up with the 'Stun Gun Affair' - That was Guy Harwood's  - Ile de Chypre - at Ascot.... years later.
By:
geoff m
When: 18 Jul 20 13:27
As Onlooker states never heard that re Gorytus but definetly I.D.Chypre.
from wiki theorie abound:
Gorytus' final race of the season was the Group One Dewhurst Stakes at Newmarket Racecourse on 15 October, in which he was matched against the Middle Park Stakes winner Diesis. Gorytus started the 1/2 favourite with Diesis on 2/1, while the other two runners, Gordian and Tough Commander started at odds of 33/1 and 200/1 respectively. Carson settled Gorytus in third place behind the two outsiders, with Lester Piggott restraining Diesis in last place. The favourite appeared to be going well until half way but then began to struggle and quickly dropped out of contention with Carson looking down at the horse's legs as if he had sustained an injury. Diesis won easily by five lengths, with Gorytus finishing last of the four runners, thirty lengths behind the third-placed Tough Commander.[2]

Despite returning from the race in a distressed state, the colt showed no sign of injury and made a full recovery within twenty-four hours. This led to a great deal of rumour and speculation as observers attempted to explain the performance. Several horses in the Hern stable had been suffering from a respiratory infection in October and it was suggested that Gorytus may have been a sick horse on the day of the race. Hern, however, denied this, pointing out that the horse had been carefully monitored and tested in the build-up to the Dewhurst and had shown no sign of illness. Carson reported that the horse might have "swallowed his tongue", but this was not supported by veterinary examination: the jockey later suggested that the horse's temperament was at fault, saying that "he took the mickey out of us after his first two races. If I had my time again I'd ride him differently".[6] The most popular theory was that Gorytus had been "got at" or "nobbled": that is to say that a substance had been deliberately administered to the colt to prevent him from winning. Richard Baerlein, writing in The Guardian reported that the horse had been seen defecating with abnormal frequency before the race and suggested that Gorytus had been doped with croton oil, a substance used as a laxative for elephants.[6] This would, however, would not be consistent with Hern's statement that the colt lost only ten pounds during the race. Hern had been congratulated by Phil Bull at Ayr Racecourse a week after Gorytus's win at Doncaster, and Bull had warned Hern that his biggest problem would be security, as some bookmakers had laid the horse to lose so much in the 2,000 Guineas that they could not afford to pay if he won the race.[7] The tabloid Daily Star presented the theory that the colt had been affected by exposure to an irritant, administered in an aerosol spray as he was led round the pre-race paddock. Carson however, rejected this idea by saying that no-one had come close enough to the horse to carry out this type of attack. If a substance was administered to the horse, it was not one detectable by testing procedures at the time: the post-race drug test carried out by the Jockey Club produced a negative result.[2]
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Jul 20 13:28
you might be right , it may have been used in hindsight for gorytus affair after the ile de chypre tales
By:
sparrow
When: 18 Jul 20 13:30
From the Free Online Library



HE WENT into the 1982 Dewhurst Stakes a 1-2 shot, with the eyes of the racing world upon him. Seven furlongs later, the eyes of the racing world were being rubbed with disbelief.

Twenty-five years ago tomorrow, the brilliant two-year-old Gorytus, whose towering reputation had stood four square on the back of colossal performances in his two previous races, practically staggered over the line in the Dewhurst Stakes, 37 lengths behind the winner. And then the speculation started . . .

Had he been got at? Was he physically unsound? What had happened to bring about so complete a downfall?

Gorytus, named after an item of archery equipment, had been a sensation when he first set foot on the racecourse. A son of Nijinsky and Glad Rags, who had won four Classics between them, he was bred and owned by Alice Mills, owner of a stud farm in Virginia. Sent to Dick Hern's academy of excellence at West Ilsley, he began to edge his way to the top of the form with some showstopping displays on the gallops.

Brian Holmes, racing secretary to Hern at the time, says: "I have always said that Gorytus was probably the best horse I ever saw work on the West Ilsley gallops, and that includes Troy, Nashwan, the lot.

"He was certainly the best two-year-old I have seen work there - he was a magnificent-looking colt."

This paragon, this posterboy for the virtues of three centuries of thoroughbred breeding, was unleashed on an expectant public for the first time at York, in the Listed Acomb Stakes on the first day of the Ebor meeting.

Hern had a habit of aiming his embryo stars at the seven-furlong contest, winning it in three of the previous five years. This year, however, the market predicted that Gorytus would be playing second fiddle to Salieri, an unbeaten colt from Henry Cecil's yard who had won by wide margins on his two starts. Salieri was a 1-2 shot, Gorytus 5-1.

Gorytus thrashed him by seven lengths, with a grinning Willie Carson stock-still in the saddle.

The two-year-old course record was lowered by more than a second.

A little over three weeks later, Gorytus went to Doncaster for the Group 2 Laurent-Perrier Champagne Stakes against four rivals, including Group 3 winner All Systems Go and Prix Morny runner-up On Stage. He was more impressive than at York, storming clear through the final quarter-mile to beat the well-touted Proclaim by five lengths.

Hern was asked for the colt's next target. He replied: "The Dewhurst, the 2,000 Guineas and the Derby."

So the road led to the Rowley Mile a month later, where the dubious pleasure of being thrashed by Gorytus had led to all but three trainers sending their top colts elsewhere. The opposition was led by Middle Park Stakes winner Diesis, Cecil's best two-year-old and a brother to the mighty Kris, who was stepping up in trip for the first time. Guy Harwood risked Gordian and Robert Armstrong had his eyes on fourth-place prizemoney with 200-1 maiden Tough Commander.

What transpired was a travesty of what had gone before. The erstwhile equine god had feet not of clay but of concrete.

Before halfway, Carson asked the colt to close on the front-running Gordian, but response came there none. Within four or five strides he had dropped right out, tailing off through the last three furlongs. When Diesis passed the post five lengths clear of Gordian, there were arguably more people training their binoculars back down the track in search of the odds-on favourite than there were watching the winner.

Brian Procter, Hern's chief work-rider and still employed by Godolphin as he approaches his 66th birthday, recalls: "Gorytus was working perfectly well. He definitely felt all right and there was nothing amiss with him before he went to Newmarket. He looked a picture."

That opinion is backed up by Gorytus's groom Allan Wildman who is still in racing, at the age of 67, with Richard Hannon. "We were full of confidence. We thought he'd walk away with the Dewhurst," he says.

"Before the race there was nothing wrong with him, he was fine, no different than he had been at York and Doncaster.

"He stayed overnight at Newmarket, and there was always someone with him, either me or Buster Haslam. The only time he was left alone was at night, when his box had two padlocks and there was a security guard on patrol.

"He was fine in the parade ring and he went down to the start all right."

That much appears to be readily verified by all concerned. The widely touted 'evidence' of an anonymous vet, who reported that he saw Gorytus evacuate a huge dropping as he was led into the parade ring, is not confirmed by anyone else and must be treated with scepticism. This report did not come to light at the time and only gained credence with the theory that Gorytus had been got at through the administration of a dose of croton oil, a vicious purgative used as elephant laxative.

Another potential means of nobbling the horse, through an 'anti-mugger spray' applied as he circled the parade ring, was outlined in the Daily Star.

Wildman pours scorn on such outlandish ideas: "We were all interviewed by the security people but nothing came to light. I don't hold with any of this crap about aerosol sprays - if someone had sprayed something at him I'd have heard it - and there's no way anyone could have got to the horse before the race."

In Racehorses of 1982, Carson concurs: "I can't believe the horse was tampered with while I was on board. Only two stalls handlers got near me."

Hern, who died in 2002, was adamant that the horse had been got at, according to Procter and Wildman, but this stance may have derived from disbelief and distress rather than any established proof. Procter says: "The major thought he was doped - he worked so well and looked so well that there seemed no other explanation why he should run like that, but nothing ever came to light.

"He was the sort of person who would leave no stone unturned to get to the bottom of it, but nobody came up with anything."

Stones were turned over all around the world. Holmes says: "We did all the tests, his blood was sent all over the world to be analysed to try to find something, but nothing ever came out of it.

"It was a real mystery. Our vet, John Gray, was probably the best in the country at the time, but nothing was ever found."

A dope test, taken after the race, proved negative. Racecourse Security Services later released a statement indicating that they had found no evidence of foul play. Although Hern had had his own ideas, Wildman and Procter took a more phlegmatic approach. Procter says: "I don't think he was doped. I think he just ran a bad race, however unexplainable that is." It is of a kind with Wildman's point of view - "I put it down to just one of those things, one of the mysteries of racing."

Carson believes that Gorytus was coughing in the days after the race - Wildman, the closest to the horse, says that he displayed no ill-effects from the day - but adopts another tack to explain the colt's rapid eclipse.

"I think we trusted him too much, believed in him too much, because he did look brilliant, nothing could go with him at home he worked so well," he says. "Obviously, he had the ability, but I just think he took the mickey out of us on the racecourse after his first two races. If I had my time again I'd ride him differently, ride him more tenderly, kid him along."

That chimes with a statement given by Hern a week or so after the race and reported in Racehorses, in which he said: "He's so well I've had to give him some good exercise. He's showing no sign of a cough, and even if he did have a virus he should not have stopped as quickly as he did at Newmarket."

Whatever it was, inside his body or inside his mind, it left Gorytus as a shadow of the horse he threatened to be at the outset of his career. He returned to action in the 2,000 Guineas the following May, when his freakish ability was once again seen, albeit very briefly, when he ranged up to challenge a furlong and a half out before fading back into fifth place behind Lomond.

He was next seen out in the Benson & Hedges Gold Cup, when he again faded under pressure into fourth behind Caerleon. He did much the same in his final outing at Goodwood.

He raced on in America at four where, now trained by Woody Stephens, his irresolute ways caught the eye of the Racing Post's Tony Morris. "I went racing at Hialeah, and who should turn up there but Gorytus," Morris recalls. "I remember the race vividly. Gorytus came to win, then gave it away to an inferior challenger, Out Of Hock. I quizzed his trainer about this cowardly display, and he said 'Nope, didn't look very genuine, did he?' "

Was Gorytus nobbled at Newmarket, or did the colt's mouthwatering physique conceal the heart of a chicken? With no evidence for doping ever discovered, it may have been that he was an accident waiting to happen, a natural underachiever whose raw ability cloaked his fatal failing until that infamous afternoon 25 years ago.

He died in 1996 at the relatively young age of 16, after a fruitless career at stud at Coolmore and in Japan - but the mystery lives on.

Additional reporting by Graham Green

'I don't think he was doped. It was one of the mysteries of racing. It's the kind of thing that will never be solved' Brian Procter, work-rider with Dick Hern

'I think he took the mickey out of us after his first two races. If I had my time again I'd ride him differently' Willie Carson, rider of Gorytus
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Jul 20 13:32
nice write up geoff,
even worse than i thought,i thought these 2 lads were desperate to find a betting shop in the middle of nowhere for a shade of odds on shot,not a 1 to 2 shot, Laugh
By:
GAZO
When: 18 Jul 20 13:39
in those days wouldnt the trainer have been in big trouble if one of their horses had been doped,so its very unlikely the stable would even mention doping regardless of what they thought
By:
sparrow
When: 18 Jul 20 13:41
Hern certainly thought he was doped, gazo.
By:
1st time poster
When: 18 Jul 20 13:47
went on to finish 5th in 2000 g and in his other run ,he,s a race name for the oldies finished 4th in benson and hedges gold cup [juddmonte] Laugh
By:
ashleigh
When: 19 Jul 20 12:21
system working well.LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
By:
sparrow
When: 19 Jul 20 12:21
Wins at 17.5 BSP Grin
By:
geoff m
When: 19 Jul 20 12:21
How fitting he wins 1st time up over 7 @ York!!
By:
paul the b
When: 19 Jul 20 12:24
AHHH.....these things are written in the stars!!!LaughWink
By:
workrider
When: 19 Jul 20 12:25
Magic or what!
By:
BornToWin
When: 19 Jul 20 12:46
Aw crap I always miss these meant to be moment gifts from beyond Cry
By:
ashleigh
When: 26 Jul 20 13:31
r fahey not sticking to the script and going for the acomb at york next. runs in the vintage stakes at goodwood on tuesday.Sad
By:
ashleigh
When: 28 Jul 20 14:14
come on gorytus, win a group 2 on your 2nd run, something your namesake couldn't do.Laugh
By:
geoff m
When: 28 Jul 20 15:14
But he did .Didnt he??
By:
lead on
When: 20 Apr 22 18:40
still going strong...wins again today at Happy Valley
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